Is Ukip At Risk Of Becoming The Uk Nazi Party?

[BGD 6,436]

I'm not a UKIP member, though I did vote for them in the last election. I think it's true enough that UKIP have the option, and among some perhaps the desire, to pursue a harder right social stance with the collapse of the BNP. UKIP used to be the place for libertarian elements of the Tory party but in the last 5 or more years have tried to capitalise on what you might call the old fashioned working class/nationalist sentiments, less of a concern with economic and classical freedom and greater concern with restricting minority rights and immigration.

 

The concern that UKIP will solidify on that position is a genuine one, but invoking the "Nazi" argument I think is nothing more than a politician playing politics!

You can always be relied on for a sensible reply

 

I'd agree it's just an attention grabbing headline/soundbite but the story behind it is very real, this leadership election is very much a battle for UKIP's future and will decide whether they go back to their roots as a true libertarian party or go down the route of the likes of the BNP being hardcore nationalists with more authoritarian social policy and left leaning economic policy.

I could see them winning more votes in some areas with that platform but the question is whether those gains would offset losing their traditional libertarian base and most of their big donors along with it.

 

The problem with UKIP is the majority of their supporters don't pay any attention to internal party politics especially when there's no national elections going on so these major shifts in direction can happen with only a small amount of people within the party pushing for it.

[king 11,984]

 

Get a life ffs.

Look out of the nearest window

There's a big world out there.try just try leaving the house and not think about corbyn.

Try leaving the pc turned off for a bit.

I thought Borns post was good actually, bit harsh that....

It wasn't aimed at born.

It was aimed at the 1 who has a man crush on corbyn.

[socks 32,253]

Seeing as this is a hunting site BGD why not start a thread to do with hunting maybe ...

[Blackbriar 8,569]

Why are you lot feeding the troll?

 

Why are we tolerating a troll ?

[Born Hunter 17,809]

 

I'm not a UKIP member, though I did vote for them in the last election. I think it's true enough that UKIP have the option, and among some perhaps the desire, to pursue a harder right social stance with the collapse of the BNP. UKIP used to be the place for libertarian elements of the Tory party but in the last 5 or more years have tried to capitalise on what you might call the old fashioned working class/nationalist sentiments, less of a concern with economic and classical freedom and greater concern with restricting minority rights and immigration.

 

The concern that UKIP will solidify on that position is a genuine one, but invoking the "Nazi" argument I think is nothing more than a politician playing politics!

You can always be relied on for a sensible reply

 

I'd agree it's just an attention grabbing headline/soundbite but the story behind it is very real, this leadership election is very much a battle for UKIP's future and will decide whether they go back to their roots as a true libertarian party or go down the route of the likes of the BNP being hardcore nationalists with more authoritarian social policy and left leaning economic policy.

I could see them winning more votes in some areas with that platform but the question is whether those gains would offset losing their traditional libertarian base and most of their big donors along with it.

 

The problem with UKIP is the majority of their supporters don't pay any attention to internal party politics especially when there's no national elections going on so these major shifts in direction can happen with only a small amount of people within the party pushing for it.

 

 

I think I've discussed similar with Neems before. They've moved away from their Tory flavour of libertarianism for exactly that reason, to chase voters that feel marooned by Labour's distinct lack of, and to many their apparent distaste for, British patriotism and English nationalism.

 

I don't like it of course but many of those folks who feel the Tories are only for the rich and Labour hate the natives of this country seem to be a large voter base and frankly probably represent a winning strategy. Winning at the expense of core issues I value but winning for the party itself nonetheless!

 

The recent election might stand in opposition to that strategy and theory but I think that has to do more with the perpetuity of the two party system than it does with UKIP strategy. I think that disillusioned nationalistic-working class voter base that I outlined above is still very much present but the fear based voting that the two party system seems to force people into dominates and frankly always will until something ground breaking and fundamental happens.

Edited September 13, 2017 by Born Hunter

[Accip74 7,112]

 

 

Get a life ffs.

Look out of the nearest window

There's a big world out there.try just try leaving the house and not think about corbyn.

Try leaving the pc turned off for a bit.

I thought Borns post was good actually, bit harsh that....

It wasn't aimed at born.

It was aimed at the 1 who has a man crush on corbyn.

I know mate....haha

 

....But born did give a measured intelligent response, which is all that's needed sometimes, rather than all this "don't feed the troll...." nonsense. It's the same thing week in, week out, all the same folk saying the same thing......they can't be that bothered? Haha...

[WILF 47,588]

UKIP have made themselves irrelevant both in gaining and winning the Brexit vote and in then getting involved in all this traditional internal party politics......that's exactly what lots of people have had enough of.

They also took to taking on board career MPs from the tired two of conservative and Labour......again, a big turn off to lots of folk imho

 

The quicker they f**k off the better and let a true libertarian party emerge somewhere.

[BGD 6,436]

 

 

 

I'm not a UKIP member, though I did vote for them in the last election. I think it's true enough that UKIP have the option, and among some perhaps the desire, to pursue a harder right social stance with the collapse of the BNP. UKIP used to be the place for libertarian elements of the Tory party but in the last 5 or more years have tried to capitalise on what you might call the old fashioned working class/nationalist sentiments, less of a concern with economic and classical freedom and greater concern with restricting minority rights and immigration.

 

The concern that UKIP will solidify on that position is a genuine one, but invoking the "Nazi" argument I think is nothing more than a politician playing politics!

You can always be relied on for a sensible reply

 

I'd agree it's just an attention grabbing headline/soundbite but the story behind it is very real, this leadership election is very much a battle for UKIP's future and will decide whether they go back to their roots as a true libertarian party or go down the route of the likes of the BNP being hardcore nationalists with more authoritarian social policy and left leaning economic policy.

I could see them winning more votes in some areas with that platform but the question is whether those gains would offset losing their traditional libertarian base and most of their big donors along with it.

 

The problem with UKIP is the majority of their supporters don't pay any attention to internal party politics especially when there's no national elections going on so these major shifts in direction can happen with only a small amount of people within the party pushing for it.

I think I've discussed similar with Neems before. They've moved away from their Tory flavour of libertarianism for exactly that reason, to chase voters that feel marooned by Labour's distinct lack of, and to many their apparent distaste for, British patriotism and English nationalism.

 

I don't like it of course but many of those folks who feel the Tories are only for the rich and Labour hate the natives of this country seem to be a large voter base and frankly probably represent a winning strategy. Winning at the expense of core issues I value but winning for the party itself nonetheless!

 

The recent election might stand in opposition to that strategy and theory but I think that has to do more with the perpetuity of the two party system than it does with UKIP strategy. I think that disillusioned nationalistic-working class voter base that I outlined above is still very much present but the fear based voting that the two party system seems to force people into dominates and frankly always will until something ground breaking and fundamental happens.

It would have to be a very careful balancing act making sure they didn't go to far with either the authoritarian social policy or leftist economic policy so as to not alienate chunks of that voting base but with the right leader and given the right atmosphere at the time of a GE I could certainly see them making gains but it wouldn't take much to push them into "unelectable" BNP territory.

 

Agree entirely with your last paragraph, that effect was clear to see on this forum even! Go back to the election threads and see just how many folk said they'd be voting Tory "to keep Labour out" when they would have much preferred to vote UKIP. Sadly while we're stuck with FPTP tactical voting will always be a thing and the dominance of the two major parties will be that much harder to break because of it.

[DanielG 286]

 

Why are you lot feeding the troll?

 

Why are we tolerating a troll ?

 

x2

[BGD 6,436]

 

Why are you lot feeding the troll?

Why are we tolerating a troll ?

Yeah, why do we tolerate folk who have no interest in actually contributing to discussions instead preferring to come into threads posting insults and pointless off topic posts?

[stumfelter 3,034]

Nice to see Mr popular craving attention yet again, you sad act....

[neems 2,406]

Ukip's gone from being economically right wing to more classically right wing,neither of which puts it nearer to being national socialist.

In fact of all the current political parties in the UK it's a toss up between the greens and labour as to who shares more common ground with national socialism.

 

The patriotic working class are a huge demographic,if they can tap into that with just a few local successes they're onto a winning strategy imo.

Unfortunately that means more classically liberal minded people are completely without representation.

 

Though win for one is a win for both,unfortunately not enough people can see that.

[Jonjon79 13,358]

UKIP are are a one trick pony - now that we've voted to leave the EU, they don't know what to do.

 

Farage lead the party well but, they just don't have the calibre of politicians to credibly compete with the usual Westminster mob.

 

Since Farage left, they haven't been able to come up with any clear, credible policies. While they're in disarray, they'll keep being made to look inept.

 

Worse case scenario - they'll go the same way as most other nationalist parties: becoming more and more right wing, eventually hanging themselves, then disappearing altogether.

[BGD 6,436]

UKIP are are a one trick pony - now that we've voted to leave the EU, they don't know what to do.

 

Farage lead the party well but, they just don't have the calibre of politicians to credibly compete with the usual Westminster mob.

 

Since Farage left, they haven't been able to come up with any clear, credible policies. While they're in disarray, they'll keep being made to look inept.

 

Worse case scenario - they'll go the same way as most other nationalist parties: becoming more and more right wing, eventually hanging themselves, then disappearing altogether.

Can't really argue with any of that

 

I think your last paragraph is what Farage and Bolton are worried about happening if Anne Marie Waters wins the leadership election and I can see why TBH.

[mushroom 13,252]

BGD you're worm son!

 

I can't think of a lower type of person than you and your type.

 

Least I brought mine up right, your parents failed you