Ebo 65 Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 thats good that mate ebo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deker 3,478 Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 Written permission, Legal Requirement hunting in England and Wales Guys..written permission is great and definately adviseable but the above is incorrect...IT IS NOT A LEGAL REQUIREMENT!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crow 1 Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 Spot on Deker Handy letter there, but just to make clear: It is NOT a legal requirement to have written permission to hunt rabbits. As you'll see from the above quote I pointed this out a year ago but nobody took any notice If we in the hunting fraternity misunderstand the requirements of 'the act' then we can't complain when our opponents do so too and we then suffer consequences! Crow Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deker 3,478 Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Spot on Deker Handy letter there, but just to make clear: It is NOT a legal requirement to have written permission to hunt rabbits. As you'll see from the above quote I pointed this out a year ago but nobody took any notice If we in the hunting fraternity misunderstand the requirements of 'the act' then we can't complain when our opponents do so too and we then suffer consequences! Crow ...MODS --- this heading is incorrect.....you need to remove the LEGAL Requirement bit, and it's not just rabbit...there is NO legal requirement to have written permission for ANY quarry....it's just like a contract..there is no requirement to have a written contract, verbal is just as binding..but harder to prove! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crow 1 Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 (edited) Deker Paragraph 2 of Schedule 1 states that you must have 'written evidence' that you have permission for the use of dogs below ground ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2 (1) The use of a dog below ground in the course of stalking or flushing out is in accordance with this paragraph if the conditions in this paragraph are satisfied. (2) The first condition is that the stalking or flushing out is undertaken for the purpose of preventing or reducing serious damage to game birds or wild birds (within the meaning of section 27 of the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 (c. 69)) which a person is keeping or preserving for the purpose of their being shot. (3) The second condition is that the person doing the stalking or flushing out - ( a ) has with him written evidence - (i) that the land on which the stalking or flushing out takes place belongs to him, or (ii) that he has been given permission to use that land for the purpose by the occupier or, in the case of unoccupied land, by a person to whom it belongs, and ( b ) makes the evidence immediately available for inspection by a constable who asks to see it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- However, all other areas of the Act only specify 'permission' and not 'written permission', therefore there is no blanket requirement for written permission as the title of this thread implies! Crow Edited October 12, 2008 by Crow Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kevan 0 Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 If like me you are a bit slack and have got plenty of permission, but haven't got round to getting the landowners written permission here's a start for you.. Just a thought, hope it helps.. Taken from Countryside Alliance website. Name (applicant): ................................................................................ ............................ I (owner / occupier): ................................................................................ ........................ Address: ................................................................................ ............................................. ................ ................ Tel: ........ authorise the above to control foxes and other wild mammals in accordance with Schedule 1, Paragraph 2 of the Hunting Act 2004, which is summarised below. Signed: .............................................................. Dated: ............................................... This permits the use of a single dog below ground to flush out wild mammals solely for the purpose of preventing or reducing serious damage to game birds or wild birds being kept or preserved to be shot. The person must carry with them written permission and intend to shoot the wild mammal as soon as possible after it is flushed. All reasonable steps must be taken to prevent risk or injury to the dog and manner in which the dog is used must comply with the following code: • The terrier’s role is to locate and flush the animal, not to fight with it • Only terriers which stand back and bark are to be used • Care must be taken to ensure the safety of those involved and to minimise the risk of injury to either the terrier or the wild mammal • The terrier’s time below ground must be kept as short as possible • The terrier must always be fitted with an electronic locator • Once it is determined the terrier is trapped, assistance must be given to release it immediately Notes: Nothing other than nets may be placed over entrance / exit holes during the flushing. It is not permitted to use a terrier to locate, dig down to and locate the quarry. But if the dog is removed, relocated, secured and not used again, then the quarry may be dug down to and dispatched. The hunting of rabbits and rats is exempt from the above, but does require the landowner or occupier’s permission. If you copy and paste this onto word, print it out and get it signed by your landowner, you'll be heading in the right direction of abiding to this law. More details and the new updated hunting handbook can be downloaded here. Hunting 2005 2006 There's also a template for Lurcher work on the download. AND before any of you post replies like "What ***" :ph34r: It's easier to say, yes Boss, I'm shaking the bush boss, :whistle: :protest: because we are all law abiding chaps, aren't we ? or just tell me to feck off... HI MAYBE YOU CAN HELP I WANT TO APPLY FOR A FIRE ARMS CERT, HOW DO I GO ABOUT IT & DOES PREVIOUS MATER THAT MUCH KEVAN Quote Link to post Share on other sites
farmerkev09 105 Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 thanks for that mate copyed and pasted just have to remember to take it out with me lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Barrie 1,325 Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 The detailed requirements of the Act and those permission letters in a more convenient post card format can be found and downloaded here PERMISSION POST CARDS. Y.I.S. - Barrie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deker 3,478 Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 The detailed requirements of the Act and those permission letters in a more convenient post card format can be found and downloaded here PERMISSION POST CARDS. Y.I.S. - Barrie Useful!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deker 3,478 Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Deker Paragraph 2 of Schedule 1 states that you must have 'written evidence' that you have permission for the use of dogs below ground ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2 (1) The use of a dog below ground in the course of stalking or flushing out is in accordance with this paragraph if the conditions in this paragraph are satisfied. (2) The first condition is that the stalking or flushing out is undertaken for the purpose of preventing or reducing serious damage to game birds or wild birds (within the meaning of section 27 of the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 (c. 69)) which a person is keeping or preserving for the purpose of their being shot. (3) The second condition is that the person doing the stalking or flushing out - ( a ) has with him written evidence - (i) that the land on which the stalking or flushing out takes place belongs to him, or (ii) that he has been given permission to use that land for the purpose by the occupier or, in the case of unoccupied land, by a person to whom it belongs, and ( b ) makes the evidence immediately available for inspection by a constable who asks to see it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- However, all other areas of the Act only specify 'permission' and not 'written permission', therefore there is no blanket requirement for written permission as the title of this thread implies! Crow No arguement there but lets be VERY CLEAR. This is really ALL to do with FOX hunting as we know, but obviuosly there is a chance of flushing rabbit or squirrel...or Badger....careful, etc!!! Written permission is ONLY required if you intend to actively hunt these quarry with your dog! It is NOT required if you take your dog out to push the pheasant/pigeon etc up! And for EVERYONE else written permission is NOT a legal requirement, even if you take your dog with you, but no arguement that it is much better to have it in writing anyway if you can! Not a required at all for anyone who just takes a rifle out with them!! Apologies if I confused anyone earlier! Cheers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Barrie 1,325 Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 (edited) Deker Paragraph 2 of Schedule 1 states that you must have 'written evidence' that you have permission for the use of dogs below ground ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2 (1) The use of a dog below ground in the course of stalking or flushing out is in accordance with this paragraph if the conditions in this paragraph are satisfied. (2) The first condition is that the stalking or flushing out is undertaken for the purpose of preventing or reducing serious damage to game birds or wild birds (within the meaning of section 27 of the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 (c. 69)) which a person is keeping or preserving for the purpose of their being shot. (3) The second condition is that the person doing the stalking or flushing out - ( a ) has with him written evidence - (i) that the land on which the stalking or flushing out takes place belongs to him, or (ii) that he has been given permission to use that land for the purpose by the occupier or, in the case of unoccupied land, by a person to whom it belongs, and ( b ) makes the evidence immediately available for inspection by a constable who asks to see it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- However, all other areas of the Act only specify 'permission' and not 'written permission', therefore there is no blanket requirement for written permission as the title of this thread implies! Crow No arguement there but lets be VERY CLEAR. This is really ALL to do with FOX hunting as we know, but obviuosly there is a chance of flushing rabbit or squirrel...or Badger....careful, etc!!! Written permission is ONLY required if you intend to actively hunt these quarry with your dog! It is NOT required if you take your dog out to push the pheasant/pigeon etc up! And for EVERYONE else written permission is NOT a legal requirement, even if you take your dog with you, but no arguement that it is much better to have it in writing anyway if you can! Not a required at all for anyone who just takes a rifle out with them!! Apologies if I confused anyone earlier! Cheers As highlighted above... the overriding part of the legislation in respect of the requirement to carry written permission is that it relates solely to the use of dogs below ground. It's not quarry dependent, apart from the fact that rats and rabbits are excluded from the legislation and applies to any other mammals below ground (eg. mink etc). Crazy through it may seem, the requirement to carry that written permission is just as important as having obtained it. As one hunt terrierman found out to his cost, despite being in the company of the landowner at the time of the offence (there were 2 further infringements - the blocking off of some entrance holes and digging down to despatch). Y.I.S. - Barrie Edited February 13, 2010 by Barrie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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