stop.end 4,082 Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 English bull was put into some strains of Wheatens in the south in the past they created very game and stupid animals I have some of these.However I also have a very old strain that in recent years had a little American pit entered into the line, from this I have one bitch she would talk to you.I have ferreted with her shot pheasant and retrieved rabbits she has of course performed as wheaten should while dug also.She has a great nose and can be hunted with other dogs while beating cover I bred her to other Wheatens but could never get anything close.If she had been a dog she was ideal for lurcher breeding, but the others brought very little.I have heard about smart wheatens but apart from this one I have not seen them.A lurcher must have brains speed and heart no doubt they bring heart.I have a 3/4 in my kennel at the moment bottomless heart ,but very short on brains and speed.No disrespect to the ancient breed but if you keep breeding for gameness alone that's all you get.If there is pitbull in your wheatons...there not wheatons. 1 Quote Link to post
Chief 5 Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 I can only speak about what I have seen over several decades of keeping wheatens and I have had some very game dogs the lines I own can be traced back to Champions obviously not show champions!.I hope your knowledge of the breed surpasses that of your ability to discuss it, have you kept wheatens long yourself? and please feel free to evaluate the breed and enlighten me.If you had read the thread the discussion was about breeding lurchers, not wheatens and a lurcher that will mark and retrieve is surely of value.These are rare traits as is a nose in the wheatens I have owned and seen.So where do we get these traits from the greyhound!s Quote Link to post
scottish hare hunter 2,345 Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Wheaton grey x bull grey does what he's bred for handy dog 8 Quote Link to post
stop.end 4,082 Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 I can only speak about what I have seen over several decades of keeping wheatens and I have had some very game dogs the lines I own can be traced back to Champions obviously not show champions!.I hope your knowledge of the breed surpasses that of your ability to discuss it, have you kept wheatens long yourself? and please feel free to evaluate the breed and enlighten me.If you had read the thread the discussion was about breeding lurchers, not wheatens and a lurcher that will mark and retrieve is surely of value.These are rare traits as is a nose in the wheatens I have owned and seen.So where do we get these traits from the greyhound!sYour keeping wheatons 70 years as in several decades? If there has been pitbull or english added there not wheatons, there wheaton xs. Quote Link to post
dogmandont 9,879 Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Firstly if I'm breeding first cross wheatens I'm not going to be to concerned about it's ferreting ability if fact it's the last thing id be asking. I've kept wheaten crosses of varying percentages for over 20 years so I have a rough idea what I'm talking about, I've never owned full wheatens as I have no use for them but the wheaten lurcher can excel at the fox game, plenty enough foot to catch good winter foxes, plenty enough nose to mark true every time and enough brain to think for themselves. A friend has a little bitch that most lurcher lads would be happy to kennel a true all rounder. As far as full wheatens go I've very limited knowledge been around a few but not enough to make any statements on the breed as whole I'll leave that to you. And by the way how do you go about adding just a little bit of pitbull into a line? Was it full bull added are an outcross wth a percentage of bull in it? Just curious. 1 Quote Link to post
Chief 5 Posted August 15, 2017 Report Share Posted August 15, 2017 English Bull was added into a number of wheaten lines in the 70s,but really MR.EXTREME hunter lets at least do the breed the service of spelling it correctly! 3 Quote Link to post
dogmandont 9,879 Posted August 15, 2017 Report Share Posted August 15, 2017 Still talking out your hole I see. You said pit blood was added recently, so how was it added and more to the point Why was it added? Every time I read something you write I smell bullshit. Run along to the bushing section with your bushing, ferreting double hard wheaten. Quote Link to post
Chief 5 Posted August 15, 2017 Report Share Posted August 15, 2017 Born hunter I commend your honesty admitting you never kept a wheaten terrier in your life, however, if you are as you suggest breeding first cross wheaten lurchers some knowledge of the breed might be useful! There is no need for me to explain how one goes about adding a little pit bull into a line you seem to have worked it out yourself the latter of your suggestions!I don't doubt you have had great dogs but in my experience wheaten lurchers rarely make outstanding all rounders, and I have had single handed fox dogs that you could ferret with also. Quote Link to post
Chief 5 Posted August 15, 2017 Report Share Posted August 15, 2017 Poor BORN HUNTER you seem to be getting upset thank you for all of your advice! Quote Link to post
dogmandont 9,879 Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 Far from upset just calling bullshit when I read it. Quote Link to post
Lusitano 294 Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 Chief - what lines of wheatens have you owned or own? PM if you prefer Quote Link to post
stop.end 4,082 Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 Chief - what lines of wheatens have you owned or own? PM if you preferWhat line of wheatens do you keep or have kept? Quote Link to post
neil cooney 10,416 Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 Chief - what lines of wheatens have you owned or own? PM if you preferWhat line of wheatens do you keep or have kept? Who knows Stop End when he answers your question his Wheatens might be related to yours ? Do you have Wheatens ? Also there seems to be a few lads on here who seem very enthusiastic to learn about the true Wheaten terriers, so Stop End why don't you educate us all about the true Wheaten terrier and all you know about it ? Also, IF a wheaten has a touch of other strong dog in it's ancestory could you inform us as to what you think would be the purest lines of Wheaten around today and should we rubbish those Wheatens who might or do have bull blood back in their pedigrees ? Thanks in advance of your educational answer. 2 Quote Link to post
Lenmcharristar 9,885 Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 ]this pup was 7 mnths to the day when he caught his 1st rabbit 8 Quote Link to post
stop.end 4,082 Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 Chief - what lines of wheatens have you owned or own? PM if you preferWhat line of wheatens do you keep or have kept? Who knows Stop End when he answers your question his Wheatens might be related to yours ?Do you have Wheatens ? Also there seems to be a few lads on here who seem very enthusiastic to learn about the true Wheaten terriers, so Stop End why don't you educate us all about the true Wheaten terrier and all you know about it ? Also, IF a wheaten has a touch of other strong dog in it's ancestory could you inform us as to what you think would be the purest lines of Wheaten around today and should we rubbish those Wheatens who might or do have bull blood back in their pedigrees ? Thanks in advance of your educational answer. I wouldnt tell you the time. Quote Link to post
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