Sub 12Ft/lbs V F.a.c. Inc Calibre Question.

[philpot 4,985]

Okay Mark, perhaps I have taken this the wrong way and if so, I hang my head in shame but the offer still remains, if you would like to put my FAC to the test and find out what role they play, you are very welcome to come over and blast away. This will give you far more insight than other people's thoughts on the subject.

 

 

Phil

[stop.end 4,079]

Pcp all the way... why try and stalk into a rabbit and have the chance of him getting spooked and running when you can shoot from a greter distance with greater power and a cleaner kill.. i see fellas posting all the time in this section about distances with a springer and there quite unbelivable as far as im concerned.

[Rez 4,961]

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[villaman 9,983]

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[Rez 4,961]

 

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A bit late to join now

Ha. You haven't read one of the first THREE posts then vman

[Rez 4,961]

Sorry. TWO posts... (can't count the op)

[si brown 8,486]

Pcp all the way... why try and stalk into a rabbit and have the chance of him getting spooked and running when you can shoot from a greter distance with greater power and a cleaner kill.. i see fellas posting all the time in this section about distances with a springer and there quite unbelivable as far as im concerned.

My 8year old lad drops stuff at 50yrd with a sub 12 pcp!

I use fac air every now and again but I don't post it on here... because

It's basically a sub 12 community !

If you think anything with a sub 12 shot over the glossy mags recommended

30 is bs then I recommend buying a good springer!

Any tit can shoot a pcp

[mark williams 7,551]

Okay Mark, perhaps I have taken this the wrong way and if so, I hang my head in shame but the offer still remains, if you would like to put my FAC to the test and find out what role they play, you are very welcome to come over and blast away. This will give you far more insight than other people's thoughts on the subject.

 

 

Phil

 

No worries Phil - pm inbound to you.

 

atb Mark

[mark williams 7,551]

Made me ponder for quite a while the issues of fac air and sub 12 out to 50 yds.

After 50 yds, for me, is out of bounds, I know there are many a lad that will gladly shoot farther out with sub 12.

So, for me, my usual ranges 90% of the time are under 40 yds maximum and shot placement is the key to the door, ( thanks Rez).

I`ve put many an hour into long range paper as you know and to good effect on calm days but under 40 yds is for me.

 

So, the conclusion as far as I`m concerned,

 

Accuracy, shot placement, trumps power, at normal air rifle ranges. The extra power of fac must help but the shot placement of sub 12 is all you need at normal air rifle range, which for me, is all I need right now.

 

 

atb Mark.

[bigmac 97kt 13,787]

DONT MATTER WHAT YOU USE

 

IF YOUR FIELD CRAFT IS UP TO SCRATCH MARK

 

FAC,,SUB 12 FIELD CRAFT IS WHAT COUNTS AND IS STILL NEEDED WHAT EVER YOU USE ,

 

IV SHOT FAC,,FAC AIR BUT STILL HAD TO USE FIELD CRAFT .

 

AND FIELD CRAFT DOSE NOT MEAN SITTING ON YOUR ASS MARK

 

ALL YOUR POSTS ARE STATIC SHOOTING WHERE IS THE FIELD CRAFT IN THAT

 

COME OUT WITH ME AND ILL SHOW YOU HOW TO GET CLOSE SO CLOSE YOU COULD PICK THEM UP

 

YOU MAY NOT BELIEVE ME BUT IV SHOWN LOADS OF LADS HOW THIS IS DONE

 

SI,,DAVID,,, NELLY ,,,DAZ39 AND THE LIST GO,S ON

 

AT THE END OF THE DAY FAC OR SUB 12

 

FIELD CRAFT IS STILL NEEDED

 

AND IT ALL WAYS COMES DOWN TO THE SHOOTER BEHIND THE RIFLE

 

IF HE OR SHE IS NO GOOD DOSE IT MATTER IF ITS FAC OR 12

 

THERE STILL NOT GOING TO HIT ANY THING

 

ATVBJIMMY :thumbs:

 

 

[mark williams 7,551]

Well we all have our opinions of field craft and if sitting on my arse is your or anyone elses description of it,- so be it.

 

The photos speak for themselves and there`s plenty more where they came from.

 

If you want to borrow a load more photos do you still want them without a rifle in the picture ?

 

 

atb Mark

[Jonjon79 13,358]

Pcp all the way... why try and stalk into a rabbit and have the chance of him getting spooked and running when you can shoot from a greter distance with greater power and a cleaner kill.. i see fellas posting all the time in this section about distances with a springer and there quite unbelivable as far as im concerned.

Only just noticed this comment.

 

'Quite unbelievable' eh?

[walshie 2,804]

 

Pcp all the way... why try and stalk into a rabbit and have the chance of him getting spooked and running when you can shoot from a greter distance with greater power and a cleaner kill.. i see fellas posting all the time in this section about distances with a springer and there quite unbelivable as far as im concerned.

Only just noticed this comment.

 

'Quite unbelievable' eh?

 

 

He means totally unbelievable.

[Jonjon79 13,358]

 

 

 

Pcp all the way... why try and stalk into a rabbit and have the chance of him getting spooked and running when you can shoot from a greter distance with greater power and a cleaner kill.. i see fellas posting all the time in this section about distances with a springer and there quite unbelivable as far as im concerned.

Only just noticed this comment.

 

'Quite unbelievable' eh?

He means totally unbelievable.

Well, he can't go around judging everyone based on his own skill level. That's just not fair

[pianoman 3,587]

"PCP all the way"

 

Let's be totally honest here. This is a comment from someone who does not shoot with a spring rifle and, if he ever did, it was probably not a successful venture into shooting with one, usually with a poor understanding of spring rifle recoil-management or only a cheap rifle if ever at all. And of course, spring rifles weigh a ton and are totally un-shootable to the inexperienced. Perhaps this helps explains the difficulty our friend here has, in believing a top quality spring rifle is capable of hitting hard and accurately beyond about 30 yards.

 

Those lads who have seen me shoot here will attest to my ability to shoot a spring rifle with PCP level precision. There are certainly some lads here who can shoot brilliantly well with a really well-sorted spring rifle. So, believe it!

 

It's not rocket science or black magic. It's simply a question of knowing how to shoot with a thoroughly well-practiced hold and recoil-management technique. Get it right and ANYONE can hit a polo mint at 50 metres! But you have to work and practice your balls off to get it second nature perfect. And not many have the endurance and patience to put the work in to achieve it. Hence, for them, it's PCP all the way.

 

But never mind all that. This thread is about FAC air.

 

My FAC HW80 .22 is a precision-accurate weapon which has headshot rabbits out to 100+ metre ranges. But that's an exceptional moment of opportunity, taken in warm air, no wind and a clear line of shot. The vast majority of times, I successfully shoot my bags of rabbits to 'usual' air rifle ranges of around 25 to 45 metres -and always from a static, prone-down position.

 

In fact, my whole approach to shooting with an FAC-rated spring air rifle is about using the faster pellet velocities and harder hitting power to cover normal 20 to 45 metre ranges more effectively than a sub-12 ft/lb .22 rifle can. It is NEVER a question of distance alone. Accuracy and velocity are the key to this issue.

 

There's a lot less chance of a really wary rabbit bolting out of the way of a .22 pellet covering 35 metres distance at 975 ft per second than there is of a pellet covering the same range distance at 550 ft per second. And a lot less chance of wounding the animal to watch it scamper off into the undergrowth to die miserably down a hole. That's not fair or sporting in my book.

 

If I wanted to shoot rabbits at 100 yards and more every time, I'd be out with a well sorted .22 LR or 17HMR cartridge rifle. But that's another line of shooting all together. I certainly wouldn't bother about using an air rifle. But where's the sense of hunting achievement in that all the time?

 

The bottom line is, honestly, I would miss more rabbits at 15 to 20 metres than longer range ones. The reason being that I didn't bother to test-shoot and practice at targets at these ranges to see where my pellet is flying and hitting at these closer ranges. A 30-35 metre zero in sub 12-ft/lbs .22 needs a decent inch or two of 'hold under' to hit a rabbit's brain at 20 metres. So I practice short range trajectory shooting as much as the medium to long range targets.

 

Just my thoughts based on honest experience lads!