Plummers - just ratters?

[Guest proudy]

How many owners actually dig to their plummers regularly? I don't mean bolt the occasional fox. It seems these dogs are specialised rat & rabbit dogs. It also seems there are a lot of pups bred every year, how many? There will obviously be a few who do turn into decent earth dogs; I mean if you breed a hundred pups the odds are that a couple of decent earth dogs might turn up. Not that I'd want to risk time breeding from chance bred workers. What I can't understand are the people who require a terrier to dig foxes & take a chance buying a plummer pup rather than getting a pup thats been bred best to the best for years.

[Guest tawny]

How many owners actually dig to their plummers regularly? I don't mean bolt the occasional fox. It seems these dogs are specialised rat & rabbit dogs. It also seems there are a lot of pups bred every year, how many? There will obviously be a few who do turn into decent earth dogs; I mean if you breed a hundred pups the odds are that a couple of decent earth dogs might turn up. Not that I'd want to risk time breeding from chance bred workers. What I can't understand are the people who require a terrier to dig foxes & take a chance buying a plummer pup rather than getting a pup thats been bred best to the best for years.

you cant just go and buy a pup from the best mate,they are hard to come by

[donnyc 1,203]

How many owners actually dig to their plummers regularly? I don't mean bolt the occasional fox. It seems these dogs are specialised rat & rabbit dogs. It also seems there are a lot of pups bred every year, how many? There will obviously be a few who do turn into decent earth dogs; I mean if you breed a hundred pups the odds are that a couple of decent earth dogs might turn up. Not that I'd want to risk time breeding from chance bred workers. What I can't understand are the people who require a terrier to dig foxes & take a chance buying a plummer pup rather than getting a pup thats been bred best to the best for years.

Quite agree with that .Only seen one plummer Type that worked to ground well and that was a x bred one .Seem to do what they were bred for and that was ratting .Mostly seen highly strung ones .Do not apeal to me at all .Horses for courses

[Guest pip]

How many owners actually dig to their plummers regularly? I don't mean bolt the occasional fox. It seems these dogs are specialised rat & rabbit dogs. It also seems there are a lot of pups bred every year, how many? There will obviously be a few who do turn into decent earth dogs; I mean if you breed a hundred pups the odds are that a couple of decent earth dogs might turn up. Not that I'd want to risk time breeding from chance bred workers. What I can't understand are the people who require a terrier to dig foxes & take a chance buying a plummer pup rather than getting a pup thats been bred best to the best for years.

Quite agree with that .Only seen one plummer Type that worked to ground well and that was a x bred one .Seem to do what they were bred for and that was ratting .Mostly seen highly strung ones .Do not apeal to me at all .Horses for courses

I ve only ever seen 1 and that was at a show,Donny do you reckon they are any better at ratting than other breeds?

[donnyc 1,203]

How many owners actually dig to their plummers regularly? I don't mean bolt the occasional fox. It seems these dogs are specialised rat & rabbit dogs. It also seems there are a lot of pups bred every year, how many? There will obviously be a few who do turn into decent earth dogs; I mean if you breed a hundred pups the odds are that a couple of decent earth dogs might turn up. Not that I'd want to risk time breeding from chance bred workers. What I can't understand are the people who require a terrier to dig foxes & take a chance buying a plummer pup rather than getting a pup thats been bred best to the best for years.

Quite agree with that .Only seen one plummer Type that worked to ground well and that was a x bred one .Seem to do what they were bred for and that was ratting .Mostly seen highly strung ones .Do not apeal to me at all .Horses for courses

I ve only ever seen 1 and that was at a show,Donny do you reckon they are any better at ratting than other breeds?

No not really ,I think most terriers can be adept at ratting depends how much they get to do like all work.Just not my type of terrier.Some love them others despise them .I just dont think of them

[Big bald beautiful 1,231]

Yet to see any faster at ratting and they have wonderful noses for finding.

there are dogs being dug to but the problem was a lot were bred as pets or as a country type dog, these were being sold using D.B Plummers name and the interst in his books etc.

so a lot never see any work but are being bred from because they will bring £200+ all day and are easy to get homes for.

Would i buy another?

i would find it difficult to get a dog that i would want to buy from good working stock, less and less are working them but more and more are being bred.

the breed clubs are just bothered about colour, size and what they look like.

Ive been booted out more times because i want to breed worker to worker and dont care about the outcome.

 

So do i out cross if i breed from my good bitch or do i use a plummer dog, the trouble is there are 3 dogs that are worked hard that i think are worth using, 3 out of hundreds..the breeds a mess sadly

Edited December 18, 2007 by Big bald beautiful

[phil wright 2]

good post bbb.

 

i know im biased towards the crosses but if you have a good bitch i would outcross.its no good leaving it untill nothing is left,you outcross before that.

use a good half cross and the resulting 3/4 breds will be nigh on plummers anyway.

[Guest proudy]

How many owners actually dig to their plummers regularly? I don't mean bolt the occasional fox. It seems these dogs are specialised rat & rabbit dogs. It also seems there are a lot of pups bred every year, how many? There will obviously be a few who do turn into decent earth dogs; I mean if you breed a hundred pups the odds are that a couple of decent earth dogs might turn up. Not that I'd want to risk time breeding from chance bred workers. What I can't understand are the people who require a terrier to dig foxes & take a chance buying a plummer pup rather than getting a pup thats been bred best to the best for years.

you cant just go and buy a pup from the best mate,they are hard to come by

By that I don't mean that anyone can go along to the likes of John Parks & buy a pup cos they've little chance. But like you've said before, there's lads who usually live local & who dig a lot & people have never heard of them - which is usually the best way. They've generally got good, honest terriers & its a safer bet with those than a plummer. How hard are Nuttalls to come by? There seems to be a lot of lads breeding fron his stuff.

[c2c 0]

Yet to see any faster at ratting and they have wonderful noses for finding.

there are dogs being dug to but the problem was a lot were bred as pets or as a country type dog, these were being sold using D.B Plummers name and the interst in his books etc.

so a lot never see any work but are being bred from because they will bring £200+ all day and are easy to get homes for.

Would i buy another?

i would find it difficult to get a dog that i would want to buy from good working stock, less and less are working them but more and more are being bred.

the breed clubs are just bothered about colour, size and what they look like.

Ive been booted out more times because i want to breed worker to worker and dont care about the outcome.

 

So do i out cross if i breed from my good bitch or do i use a plummer dog, the trouble is there are 3 dogs that are worked hard that i think are worth using, 3 out of hundreds..the breeds a mess sadly

i have a friend who has plummers and he breeds his. i am not a plummer man but what you have just said i would agree with someone NEEDS to start out breeding the plummer because the gene pool is so small and it is all getting very close on the inbreeding side .

You know it is when even the clubs give you a inbreeding percentige on your cert

although i do not own a plummer nor do i want one (i do like them and they are good ratters but that is all jmo) no one ever seems to talk about getting a new blood line into the breed

imo there a good farm dog

[Guest 10/22]

according to the main plummer website there was new blood put into the breed in 1998 by plummer to widen the gene pool, surely astute owners would take advantage of this, especially when you read the results and see just whats been produced , from what I can see anything thats done any winning or working now traces back to these dogs, knock the guy all you want but he knew his stuff, not one of the pre-existing or new clubs can even come close to the quality of dogs being bred from these lines

[Guest flint]

according to the main plummer website there was new blood put into the breed in 1998 by plummer to widen the gene pool, surely astute owners would take advantage of this, especially when you read the results and see just whats been produced , from what I can see anything thats done any winning or working now traces back to these dogs, knock the guy all you want but he knew his stuff, not one of the pre-existing or new clubs can even come close to the quality of dogs being bred from these lines

near on 10 year ago 10/22 maybe if someone gets hold of it now new blood can be put into the breed ? do`s any give a feck to do it ? a mate had one a few year back find and kill rats all day only interested in the ginger fella when you opened up . never been a dbp fan or of his terriers me mates little bitch wer sound with other dogs great with the kids bit of a worker family pet and we had some some fun with her . dont think thr the same dog as they used to be heard stories of stupid stud fees being charged nowdays

[Keeps 403]

good post bbb.

i know im biased towards the crosses but if you have a good bitch i would outcross.its no good leaving it untill nothing is left,you outcross before that.

use a good half cross and the resulting 3/4 breds will be nigh on plummers anyway.

In my opinion its a waste of a good bitch when there are still a few good dogs around to use (agreed there are not many but there are a few). Fine to use a plummer dog over a good bitch of any other breed or type, if you wish to create a 1/2 or 3/4 bred, which appears to be your preference, but to do it the other way round is just plain stupid.

 

I noticed Millet was looking for a plummer bitch to use his dog over in order to keep a pup himself - he could have chosen to use a working bitch of any type or breed, but he is looking for a plummer (wonder why ) it might be rare and difficult to find but in my opinion its well worth putting in the effort of trying to find one..

 

I know your dog is a very good worker Phil, but then so are lots of dogs of other types and crosses and I realise that you wish to keep a pup from him to continue your line. If I was looking for a working dog to use over my plummer bitch (which at present I am not) I would choose a dog like millets plummer in preference to yours, no disrespect to red, hes a good worker, but whilst there are still working plummers about then thats what I'd be looking for Its the dilution of these working lines and people wasting good bitches to create their own crosses that leads us to the position we have today.

Edited December 19, 2007 by Keeps

[Foxtrot 24]

How many owners actually dig to their plummers regularly? I don't mean bolt the occasional fox. It seems these dogs are specialised rat & rabbit dogs. It also seems there are a lot of pups bred every year, how many? There will obviously be a few who do turn into decent earth dogs; I mean if you breed a hundred pups the odds are that a couple of decent earth dogs might turn up. Not that I'd want to risk time breeding from chance bred workers. What I can't understand are the people who require a terrier to dig foxes & take a chance buying a plummer pup rather than getting a pup thats been bred best to the best for years.

Quite agree with that .Only seen one plummer Type that worked to ground well and that was a x bred one .Seem to do what they were bred for and that was ratting .Mostly seen highly strung ones .Do not apeal to me at all .Horses for courses

I ve only ever seen 1 and that was at a show,Donny do you reckon they are any better at ratting than other breeds?

No not really ,I think most terriers can be adept at ratting depends how much they get to do like all work.Just not my type of terrier.Some love them others despise them .I just dont think of them

I had a plummer X going back about 12 years when I was a young lad just starting out hunting, she was a leggy bitch, and honestly the best bolting fox ive ever seen!! She was a true bitch to the mark and guaranteed fox every time. Excellent earth dog that was so strong!

[half n' half 8]

good post bbb.

i know im biased towards the crosses but if you have a good bitch i would outcross.its no good leaving it untill nothing is left,you outcross before that.

use a good half cross and the resulting 3/4 breds will be nigh on plummers anyway.

In my opinion its a waste of a good bitch when there are still a few good dogs around to use (agreed there are not many but there are a few). Fine to use a plummer dog over a good bitch of any other breed or type, if you wish to create a 1/2 or 3/4 bred, which appears to be your preference, but to do it the other way round is just plain stupid.

 

I noticed Millet was looking for a plummer bitch to use his dog over in order to keep a pup himself - he could have chosen to use a working bitch of any type or breed, but he is looking for a plummer (wonder why ) it might be rare and difficult to find but in my opinion its well worth putting in the effort of trying to find one..

 

I know your dog is a very good worker Phil, but then so are lots of dogs of other types and crosses and I realise that you wish to keep a pup from him to continue your line. If I was looking for a working dog to use over my plummer bitch (which at present I am not) I would choose a dog like millets plummer in preference to yours, no disrespect to red, hes a good worker, but whilst there are still working plummers about then thats what I'd be looking for Its the dilution of these working lines and people wasting good bitches to create their own crosses that leads us to the position we have today.

 

keeps do you not think people are crossing their plummer bitches to other terrier types to try and increase the chance of some genuine earth dogs resulting from the litter? something that the pure plummers seem to be lacking in.

[IanB 0]

On the basis of multi purpose terriers, to be used for ratting, rabbiting, shooting, retrieving/flushing there pretty good, and some are decent on fox... there not out and out digging dogs, but most people know that.