Big Cat Sighting

[peterhunter86 8,627]

44 minutes ago, Greyman said:

Black and white picture is a pumard guess the parents, dead sheep I get plenty, badgers seem to becoming more popular as food  and I,m finding signs right upto the outskirts of the city, the witnesses we went to see last week were on the outskirts of large urban housing sites, the landscapes and terrains are exactly the same here as abroad, and eventually Mac we will have a human killed when populations get bigger, we are now almost back to the beginning and most of the questions have been answered already so the least you can all do is read it, here's a few pics for you to pull apart, enjoy

I've seen plenty of dead fox in a place that has plenty buzzards and other scavengers and notting has touched them not even the eye's get taken by the magpies that one in the picture is picked to the bone I recon whatever got stuck into that wasn't native.

[scothunter 12,609]

Those bones were out of a chinkys bin

[Daniel cain 46,127]

What animal in the British Isles would kill a badger and strip it like that only leaving the shit sack???? Nothing native that's for sure.... 

[Greyman 28,914]

39 minutes ago, mackem said:

Not pulling anything apart mate,just asking pertinent questions,i have spoken to people recently last week actually,who live in Mumbai and have seen urban leopards,just wondered why they haven't been spotted in UK cities as we are a tiny country in comparison to india.

Not directed at you Mac I,m quite slow at reading and writing so was attempting to cover multiple posts with one answer, and for Kearney pumard,s were bred as pets back in the day there is a stuffed one in a museum in tring that was one of six owned by the rothschilds or some other lordie type back in the day and the one in the photo is a puma leopard cross, they were popular as pets because the cross resulted in a form of dwarfism and the offspring were small, these pics are a tiny percent of what we have as a group including eaten out dogs and foals with rake marks all down there backs and sides the cats that arry mentions that approached the fence at Dartmoor zoo I think we're the ones that Mary chipper field released on Dartmoor, the badgers are a new and intersecting aspect because I have never seen or heard of it before but in the last year 3 all killed in the same way much like a jag killing a Kaman with a bite to the back of the head and no signs of any damage around the mouth from a fight, here is the last one I found the other canine went through the ear hole so never left much mess but the one in the top has had the bite licked clean as well  if you zoom in you can see the triangular hole the canine tooth left and the marks on the scull it left trying to get a bite any ways that's your lot for now got to get shit done 

[Ptd87 304]

Definite claw mark on bodger ..... Claw hammer ?

[Ptd87 304]

Found a dead munty prob 4 or 5 metres up a tree a few years ago... Also lamped something in a tree that came down bloody quick but too far away to see def not a squirrel though ? ... I wouldn't say there not around as I'm not sure now 

[EDDIE B 3,166]

1 hour ago, Greyman said:

Black and white picture is a pumard guess the parents, dead sheep I get plenty, badgers seem to becoming more popular as food  and I,m finding signs right upto the outskirts of the city, the witnesses we went to see last week were on the outskirts of large urban housing sites, the landscapes and terrains are exactly the same here as abroad, and eventually Mac we will have a human killed when populations get bigger, we are now almost back to the beginning and most of the questions have been answered already so the least you can all do is read it, here's a few pics for you to pull apart, enjoy

Greyman i have read and followed this thread from the start.  Im trying to keep an opened mind on this, and i do believe its possible that there are none indigenous species of cats in the UK. I dont know wether there are, or there aren't. Im funding it harder to believe that there are large species. Thats just me. You say you've answered these questions at the start, but in my opinion, some of those answers just didnt cut the mustard. 

 This is one thing  dont make sense to me. Ok, the Beast of Exmore is one of tge most famous cases of big cats in the UK. Its mentioned in almost all conversations regarding big cat sightings. Think over a hundred sheep killed. Even had the millitary drawn in. Think a shot was fired.

 Now over 30 years on, and these cats sucessfully breeding. Why aint there a huge number of sheep kills per annum? Why aint it in the news weekly? Why aint farmers posting pictures on social media weekly? No farmer is gonna stay hush hush when he's loosing lots of stock, is he!

The way i see it, if The Beast of Exmore was indeed a true story, then there must be no big cats in the UK at present times, or we would have that sort of carnage all the time. I mean, a field of sheep.What leopard is gonna pass that up. If the story was a load of bollix, then the whole theory is less believable than ever.

Yea a catch twenty two, but thats something i just cant ignore.

[mackem 27,458]

50 minutes ago, John d said:

Ive been looking at going on a big cat tracking holiday for either snow leopards in pakistan or Amur tigers in Siberia and both tours say you have about 0.5% of actually seeing either! 

Less than that % of chance of seeing a snow leopard in Pakistan to be honest,been there a few times,always in the north where they are found,been right off the beaten-track up valleys and glacier crossings and suchlike,i had binoculars,saw zip.

[mackem 27,458]

That pic is typical of northern Pakistan mate,much of it IS a shit-hole but once your going up past 'Pindi and Islamabad and heading north,further than gilgit and skardu up the hunza valley and the valleys that radiate off it your going to see incredible scenery,far better than Nepal or Himalayan india,absolutely stunning places,yes I have been to chitral.the altitude would f**k most people up if they had to hike up in the mountains,i was there for months,fit as a lop,yet I remember once being at the china-Pakistan crossing and trying to jog and I was f****d.If they guarantee footage on a cam-trap maybe theres a few snow leopards territories overlapping in a valley or something?If you really want to see a snow leopard cross the border into xinjiang,go to kashgar market,hang around for a while,ask around,someone will offer you snow leopard skins if your face fits.

[Daniel cain 46,127]

2 hours ago, Rusty_terrier said:

Whats the picture of the badger ment to show mate?

Read his post above it explains ?

[mackem 27,458]

Its a shallow life lived without scars as they say,life is short mate,but every days a risk,every time I cross a London road I could be knocked over by a bus,your right though,personal security is a huge undeniable risk there for a whitey.

[South hams hunter 8,926]

5 hours ago, Greyman said:

Black and white picture is a pumard

 

we are now almost back to the beginning and most of the questions have been answered already so the least you can all do is read it

 

How do we know it' a pumard?

 

A ot of the questions haven't been answered at all or its been answers that are basically your opinion or ones like; ' it' not mine to show you' 'when we are ready we'll show the world' ' the experts told me so' 'you'l have to wait and see'

[Ted Newgent 4,896]

bears skin animals like that

 

[South hams hunter 8,926]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumapard

 

There is very little proof and all is outdated  and nothing since the 50s

[Greyman 28,914]

3 hours ago, EDDIE B said:

Greyman i have read and followed this thread from the start.  Im trying to keep an opened mind on this, and i do believe its possible that there are none indigenous species of cats in the UK. I dont know wether there are, or there aren't. Im funding it harder to believe that there are large species. Thats just me. You say you've answered these questions at the start, but in my opinion, some of those answers just didnt cut the mustard. 

 This is one thing  dont make sense to me. Ok, the Beast of Exmore is one of tge most famous cases of big cats in the UK. Its mentioned in almost all conversations regarding big cat sightings. Think over a hundred sheep killed. Even had the millitary drawn in. Think a shot was fired.

 Now over 30 years on, and these cats sucessfully breeding. Why aint there a huge number of sheep kills per annum? Why aint it in the news weekly? Why aint farmers posting pictures on social media weekly? No farmer is gonna stay hush hush when he's loosing lots of stock, is he!

The way i see it, if The Beast of Exmore was indeed a true story, then there must be no big cats in the UK at present times, or we would have that sort of carnage all the time. I mean, a field of sheep.What leopard is gonna pass that up. If the story was a load of bollix, then the whole theory is less believable than ever.

Yea a catch twenty two, but thats something i just cant ignore.

The sheep thing is quite an easy one to answer, in the 1980 s most cat sightings like the beast of Bodmin,exmoor and other remote areas were the dumping grounds for people who owned them and did,nt want them put to sleep, (it became illegal to own them in 76 but only illegal to release them in 83) the cats were semi domestic and grabbed the easiest food source available, but as they got more naturalised, there diet has changed as has the deer population of the U.K. And the few sheep we seem to get tend not to have been dipped for a long time as the chemical dip is a put off if there is a choice, last year a lynx escaped from a zoo in Wales and in just over a week was blamed for about 7 sheep kills, this is far more than it would need to survive but the reaction of a captive animal, if it had not been shot it would have gradually reverted to a natural diet and never taken another sheep again, which is what has happened to the others, many died at the time but those that never have learnt to avoid man and seem to. eat a mainly natural diet, and interestingly have started to tap into the over abundant food source of badgers as I,ve  tried to show, leopards, puma and Lynx are not large cats and all specialise in staying aloof, most are under 24"to the shoulder, the photo I put up at the start has been scaled and is accepted by those in the group as a large male, it's 22" to the shoulder and has a body length of 3ft 3" without its tail so low and long and easy to hide especially when the crops come up,