Big Cat Sighting

[sandymere 8,263]

1 minute ago, lurchers said:

Spennymoor Co Durham and it was the beginning of November 1985,as it was days before my 15th birthday and at the time it was a hot thing in the northern echo newspaper up here.They called it the Durham puma and they made a program about it.When I watch the program it showed dots on the map of people up and down the country that has seen one.At that time going off the program there must of been 7 I think up and down the country in the November.So there is something about it.

Were you aware of its presence through the newspapers etc prior to the sighting?

[Arry 22,157]

6 minutes ago, Greb147 said:

Either they exist or they don't, it's up to those that claim they exist to prove they do if that's their intention. 

I 100% believe they are out there. I heard many accounts by good countrymen of there existence and do not dought any one of them. They and I don't have to prove anything to you or anybody else, they know what they saw. If you do not believe fair enough go on your merry way and leave it at that it not a religion its have a open mind as to what could be out there.

Cheer Arry 

[sandymere 8,263]

16 hours ago, Arry said:

Physical evidence[edit]

Just going by the info on this page alone, it seems strange that every documentry you see on British big cats always say there has yet to be proof of their existance in the wild. Also the government denies that they exist even after the following proven cases:

Captures, road kills, shootings and skeletal remains

• "Felicity the Puma" was captured by farmer Ted Noble at Cannich, Inverness-shire, Scotland in 1980. Her capture followed a string of sightings from the area, and they continued after her capture. She lived out her days as a tourist attraction at the Highland Wildlife Park, Kinguisse. There remains some controversy over whether she had ever been "wild" for any period of time. After her death she was stuffed and mounted and is now on display in the Inverness Museum, Inverness, Highland.
• In July 2005 a farmer in North Devon discovered a skull belonging to a large cat, and has since been identified as that of a Puma. It is currently being examined. It follows many reports of cats in the area (Beast of Exmoor), and even a report of a farmer shooting and later burying a Puma.
• A Eurasian Lynx was shot in summer 1991 near Norwich, Norfolk. It had killed around 15 sheep within two weeks. The story was only reported in 2003, and the Lynx is apparently owned by taxidermy collector in Suffolk. For many years the cat was considered to have been a hoax, particularly by the hunting community. But in March 2006 a police report confired that the case was true. It was a probably escapee from a facility in the area that bred animals including Eurasian Lynxes.
• A Clouded Leopard, a rare cat species from the tropics, escaped in Kent in 1975. She was shot nine months after and had fed on rabbits and lambs in the meantime.
• A Jungle Cat (presumably killed by a vehicle collision) was found at the side of the road near Ludlow, Shropshire, in 1989. It was rumored that the cat mated with farm cats in the area and produced offspring. One cat, called "Jasper" had all the characteristics of a hybrid.
• A Leopard Cat was shot by Stuart Skinner on the Isle of Wight after mistaking it for a fox taking his poultry. However it was not reported immediately due to their fact that he thought he had shot a protected species.
• A Eurasian Lynx was captured in Golders Green, Greater London in 2001 after a witness reported "a leopard sat on her garden wall". The Lynx was captured and later taken to London Zoo.
• Another Caracal was shot by a RUC marksman in Fintona, County Tyrone, Northern Ireland in 1996.
• A Puma was shot in 1987 by police officers near to the Greenwich Observatory, Greater London.
• Another Jungle Cat was killed as it crossed the road at Hayling Island, Hampshire in 1988.
• Also in 1988 a Leopard Cat was shot and killed by a farmer at Widecombe-in-the-Moor, Dartmoor, Devon.
• In May 1980, a dead Lioness was found in a lake near a disused railway quarry in St Helens, Lancashire.
• In the late 1970s, a Puma was caught near the Civic Centre in Barnstaple, Devon.

I think thats proof enough, although the case in 1980 of the dead Lioness in the lake did turn out to have had something tied to it and it had been drowned.

Cheers Arry

I can only surmise this was a tongue in cheek reply.

A list isn't evidence and certainly not "proof enough", no one denies that cats have been shot in the UK but that is the point they get found and shot or captured.  For example, the Puma in Barnstaple, can you give some evidence? i spend a lot of time in Barnstaple and any big cat near the Civic centre is next door to the police station and is going to get on CCTV. Or the skull discovered in 2005 in Devon that is still being "examined" that's a long examination what is the outcome, the one from Bodmin was found to have been part of a leopard skin rug.. basically its a fake list with a few honest reports sprinkled in to try and give it authenticity.

 

What stands out is all the validated cases are recent releases that show time in captivity. 

 

Basically this is a list is from a somewhat dubious wiki page lol and even contains the warning

"This article strongly argues the existence of British big cats, as opposed to presenting encyclopaedic information on them. I point to quotes like "Unfortunately also, a few people have attempted to fake evidence, and handed the fake pictures to the press", or "However, more and more evidence suggests that they do exist and are growing in number". It doesn't adhere to WP:NPOV. Seegoon 18:08, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

There seems to be some confusion with the use of the word 'existence' here. There is documented evidence of the sporadic escape or release of exotic felids in Britain, and it is possible that there is an occasional breeding event between, say, an exotic small felid and a domestic cat, but there is absolutely no real evidence for viable breeding populations of exotics, and no reason to make the leap from the former to the latter. So 'existence' in this case is occasional rather than ongoing; there could well be periods (between one escape-and-recapture, or escape-and-death, event and the next) when there is no existence of any free exotic felid in the country. Maias 03:47, 10 October 2006 (UTC)"

Edited October 12, 2020 by sandymere

[Greb147 6,809]

11 minutes ago, Arry said:

I 100% believe they are out there. I heard many accounts by good countrymen of there existence and do not dought any one of them. They and I don't have to prove anything to you or anybody else, they know what they saw. If you do not believe fair enough go on your merry way and leave it at that it not a religion its have a open mind as to what could be out there.

Cheer Arry 

You don't have to prove anything no but the people who claim they aren't there don't either. 

If I'm not mistaken some on here are trying to prove of their existence, it hasn't happened as of yet. 

I come on here to see any further updates, hopefully it isn't too long before something substantial turns up. 

Edited October 12, 2020 by Greb147

[Greyman 28,735]

Couple of turds for sandy, big problem with turds as he would no with his vast medical knowledge is that the dna tends to come back with what has been eaten as opposed to what ate it so though they may carry all the right traits unless they are very fresh and steamie you would struggle to get a hit from one, very simple answer but like all the others I have tried to reply with he will just ignore what I,m saying and copy and paste another 3 pages of nonsense to support his stance that he,s not actually sure about himself, these tests also cost several hundred pounds a pop so not really going to be testing everything and anything, another really interesting point, when I put a trailer up of the upcoming film with a boffin in a lab an expert tracker and several other interesting people on he has not asked a single question about any of it but hey let’s give him one more go one more gaping fault he made in his last statement regarding not finding scat yet finding kill sites is cats tend not to shit were they eat and if he watched the other film I put up he would have seen the big cat expert expose the wild boar carcass as a fake and one of the reasons he came to that conclusion was because there was a cats shit next to the carcass which doesn’t happen, this is why it gets so boring because all his stupid little questions have been answered but he has so much red mist in his eyes he can’t see anything, shame really but hey ho

[Greyman 28,735]

6 minutes ago, Greb147 said:

You don't have to prove anything no but the people who claim they aren't there don't either. 

If I'm not mistaken some on here are trying to prove of their existence, it hasn't happened as of yet. 

I come on here to see any further updates, hopefully it isn't too long before something substantial turns up. 

It may not have been proven to you as you choose to just shout things down and make a laugh about everything which is fine but things are so much further along than they were when we started, in the last two years we have done a documentary, set up the podcast and have a scientific paper under peer review on the subject ( and for sandys benefit, that does NOT mean it’s in the daily mail, twat) so that’s what I,ve been up to over the last two years, you have managed to create a few more accounts and copy and paste a couple of other peoples pictures, not really that much effort mate on your part in comparison I’d say but as long as your happy

[Greb147 6,809]

1 minute ago, Greyman said:

It may not have been proven to you as you choose to just shout things down and make a laugh about everything which is fine but things are so much further along than they were when we started, in the last two years we have done a documentary, set up the podcast and have a scientific paper under peer review on the subject ( and for sandys benefit, that does NOT mean it’s in the daily mail, twat) so that’s what I,ve been up to over the last two years, you have managed to create a few more accounts and copy and paste a couple of other peoples pictures, not really that much effort mate on your part in comparison I’d say but as long as your happy

Stop making things up buddy, I have not shouted anything down just asked questions which anyone should rightly do. 

Created a few more accounts and copy and pasted other pictures? Come on where are you going here? 

I ain't knocking what you're doing and if I saw what I thought is a big cat like you claim to have then I can see why you're doing it. 

[sandymere 8,263]

23 minutes ago, Greyman said:

Couple of turds for sandy, big problem with turds as he would no with his vast medical knowledge is that the dna tends to come back with what has been eaten as opposed to what ate it so though they may carry all the right traits unless they are very fresh and steamie you would struggle to get a hit from one, very simple answer but like all the others I have tried to reply with he will just ignore what I,m saying and copy and paste another 3 pages of nonsense to support his stance that he,s not actually sure about himself, these tests also cost several hundred pounds a pop so not really going to be testing everything and anything, another really interesting point, when I put a trailer up of the upcoming film with a boffin in a lab an expert tracker and several other interesting people on he has not asked a single question about any of it but hey let’s give him one more go one more gaping fault he made in his last statement regarding not finding scat yet finding kill sites is cats tend not to shit were they eat and if he watched the other film I put up he would have seen the big cat expert expose the wild boar carcass as a fake and one of the reasons he came to that conclusion was because there was a cats shit next to the carcass which doesn’t happen, this is why it gets so boring because all his stupid little questions have been answered but he has so much red mist in his eyes he can’t see anything, shame really but hey ho

i have commented on your pictures of Poo previously and was not overly inspired,  the 1st is on bark chippings so one must wonder where it was taken? the 2nd has melaena with would suggest a very ill depositor or a badly fed dog, (or even human) and the 3rd is just sheep wool which would most likely have been passed by a dog and we have lots of evidence  dogs and sheep.

But if it were cat, as I stated what it  has eaten would have excellent value to anyone studying the subject, and it will contain cells from the colon etc of the provider that can give DNA evidence. So what was the outcome of the samples you sent? you posted them a fare while ago.

 

ps as to not finding shite near kill sites does every sighting he investigates turn out to be a kill sight, are some not resting sites, dens etc??

You claim I'm not asking enough questions??? tell me where are the road kill?? that is the key question that can not easily be fudged, smudged or falsified????? lets have a polite sensible answer. No confabulation or counter claim no wandering off the subject or starting with the conspiracy theories  just a straight forward evidence based answer.

Edited October 12, 2020 by sandymere

[Accip74 7,112]

14 minutes ago, Greyman said:

Couple of turds for sandy, big problem with turds as he would no with his vast medical knowledge is that the dna tends to come back with what has been eaten as opposed to what ate it so though they may carry all the right traits unless they are very fresh and steamie you would struggle to get a hit from one, very simple answer but like all the others I have tried to reply with he will just ignore what I,m saying and copy and paste another 3 pages of nonsense to support his stance that he,s not actually sure about himself, these tests also cost several hundred pounds a pop so not really going to be testing everything and anything, another really interesting point, when I put a trailer up of the upcoming film with a boffin in a lab an expert tracker and several other interesting people on he has not asked a single question about any of it but hey let’s give him one more go one more gaping fault he made in his last statement regarding not finding scat yet finding kill sites is cats tend not to shit were they eat and if he watched the other film I put up he would have seen the big cat expert expose the wild boar carcass as a fake and one of the reasons he came to that conclusion was because there was a cats shit next to the carcass which doesn’t happen, this is why it gets so boring because all his stupid little questions have been answered but he has so much red mist in his eyes he can’t see anything, shame really but hey ho

Brings back memories of working at Colchester Zoo

[Greyman 28,735]

19 minutes ago, sandymere said:

i have commented on your pictures of Poo previously and was not overly inspired,  the 1st is on bark chippings so one must wonder where it was taken? the 2nd has melaena with would suggest a very ill depositor or a badley fed dog, (or even human) and the 3rd is just sheep wool which would most likely have been passed by a dog and we have lots of dogs and sheep would be the most likely answer.

But if it were cat, as I stated what it  has eaten would have excellent value to anyone studying the subject, and it will contain cells from the colon etc of the provider that can give DNA evidence. So what was the outcome of the samples you sent? you posted them a fare while ago.

Not sure what melaena is suspect your just trying to use big words to,prove a point, but the second turd was made up of mostly blood may be what your trying to say I don’t no, but it was next to a scrape in the floor that cats use to mark territory and would be pretty normal if a cat had just fed on a pile of internal organs as they tend to do first when they make a kill,

19 minutes ago, sandymere said:

i have commented on your pictures of Poo previously and was not overly inspired,  the 1st is on bark chippings so one must wonder where it was taken? the 2nd has melaena with would suggest a very ill depositor or a badley fed dog, (or even human) and the 3rd is just sheep wool which would most likely have been passed by a dog and we have lots of dogs and sheep would be the most likely answer.

But if it were cat, as I stated what it  has eaten would have excellent value to anyone studying the subject, and it will contain cells from the colon etc of the provider that can give DNA evidence. So what was the outcome of the samples you sent? you posted them a fare while ago.

If you want to start putting your hand in your pocket Sandy I,ll get them all tested but as I have just explained to you they come back with the ingredients of the shit not the shitter, the sheep’s wool is actually fox and was found around a hundred yards from a consumed fox which would be normal behaviour for a cat, the dna sample is of something else I had tested and I will reveal what it was after the film comes out then you can make your own mind up who the liar is, and finally the first turd is in a zoo and is just there as a comparison for people who don’t know what a leopards shit looks like nothing to complicated and no one is lying or making anything up, it is what it is and it’s up to you if you believe me or not, simple

Edited October 12, 2020 by Greyman

[Greb147 6,809]

To Greyman, what do you think is the most convincing picture or video of a big cat sighting in the UK? 

[sandymere 8,263]

19 minutes ago, Greyman said:

Not sure what melaena is suspect your just trying to use big words to,prove a point, but the second turd was made up of mostly blood may be what your trying to say I don’t no, but it was next to a scrape in the floor that cats use to mark territory and would be pretty normal if a cat had just fed on a pile of internal organs as they tend to do first when they make a kill,

If you want to start putting your hand in your pocket Sandy I,ll get them all tested but as I have just explained to you they come back with the ingredients of the shit not the shitter, the sheep’s wool is actually fox and was found around a hundred yards from a consumed fox which would be normal behaviour for a cat, the dna sample is of something else I had tested and I will reveal what it was after the film comes out then you can make your own mind up who the liar is, and finally the first turd is in a zoo and is just there as a comparison for people who don’t know what a leopards shit looks like nothing to complicated and no one is lying or making anything up, it is what it is and it’s up to you if you believe me or not, simple

Why are you posting pictures of fox poo and zoo poo?

Edited October 12, 2020 by sandymere

[sandymere 8,263]

36 minutes ago, sandymere said:

You claim I'm not asking enough questions??? tell me where are the road kill?? that is the key question that can not easily be fudged, smudged or falsified????? lets have a polite sensible answer. No confabulation or counter claim no wandering off the subject or starting with the conspiracy theories  just a straight forward evidence based answer.

Still waiting......

[lurchers 2,861]

1 hour ago, sandymere said:

Were you aware of its presence through the newspapers etc prior to the sighting?

No as it was supposed to of been 3miles away at another village.When I lamped it I don’t know what it had but it was like watching a kitten playing with a ball of wool.Once I noticed the colour of its eyes on the lamp I knew it wasn’t a fox or something as they were like a yellow glare not red.The man I was with he said what it was at 1st but I I thought it couldn’t be.I climbed over the fence and started walking towards it with the lamp on and it just sat staring at me.The hairs were up on the back of my neck as I though it was going to come towards me,but I think the noise off the stubble scared it as it ran toward a little beck at the back of the field.You could see the length and height of it as it was following the neck as it kept stopping and looking at us.I must of walked to about 70mtres off it but I was shitting with it just sitting looking at me and glad when it went the opposite way but I needed to go up to look at it closer.Ya know what ya like when ya young and noisy.

[lurchers 2,861]

If you can find the program on YouTube it’s worth a watch as it covers the northeast then shows you were other sights were down the country.Dont take this the wrong way I don’t care who believes me or not but a adult and 1 teenager and 2 10yrd olds can’t come up with the same story of what we seen.But look for the Durham puma or panther on the tube and see what you think of it mate.