Big Cat Sighting

[bell 3,606]

Greyman, what is your take on the clip when it runs off ?…you still adamant that the animal moves like a cat at that point …there are far batter qualified people than me on this thread but it’s a fox/dog isn’t it ?

[Greyman 29,296]

1 hour ago, bell said:

Greyman, what is your take on the clip when it runs off ?…you still adamant that the animal moves like a cat at that point …there are far batter qualified people than me on this thread but it’s a fox/dog isn’t it ?

It does move off like a canid but as we are only just getting into the world of thermal there is not much to compare with, the animals I look for are also not fat zoo specimens I have seen some skinny scruffy examples, plus I take all things into consideration such as it’s body length which is around 4ft,measured and confirmed, the fact it’s hunting mice etc in the grass, not a dog trait and on both the different sets of thermals the enlarged animal looks like this and though it has been claimed that a fox turns into a cat if you enlarge the pic I have seen no evidence of this and lastly if you listen to the podcast the man filming it has heard vocalisation on more than one occasion, so I would deduct a point for its running gate I would give points for the other points I,ve made, I think the old boy has had a live situation and got it on film during the summer and hopefully he will get some more compelling evidence as time moves forward, you do need to have debate on this stuff as no one really knows what is panning out it also helps to keep an open mind, not just shout everything down because you don’t understand it as some like to do

[Greyman 29,296]

1 minute ago, Griswald said:

You don't think that behaviour is typical of a dog/fox, it is very canidae like behaviour the way it is foraging and and hunting up.

As for the scale of the thing, how can a comparison be made with the gap in the wall when said creature is much closer to the camera and thus much futher away from the gap in the wall?

And lastly, the creatures movement is clearly not cat like, everything points to dog/fox, it's not even debatable.

It’s not debatable with you as your a fool, and fools like you just shout louder and louder until everyone gets bored of listening to you and moves on, which is what happens in every thread you participate in so thank you for your opinion but forgive me if I just ignore it and carry on making my own

[bell 3,606]

1 hour ago, Greyman said:

It does move off like a canid but as we are only just getting into the world of thermal there is not much to compare with, the animals I look for are also not fat zoo specimens I have seen some skinny scruffy examples, plus I take all things into consideration such as it’s body length which is around 4ft,measured and confirmed, the fact it’s hunting mice etc in the grass, not a dog trait and on both the different sets of thermals the enlarged animal looks like this and though it has been claimed that a fox turns into a cat if you enlarge the pic I have seen no evidence of this and lastly if you listen to the podcast the man filming it has heard vocalisation on more than one occasion, so I would deduct a point for its running gate I would give points for the other points I,ve made, I think the old boy has had a live situation and got it on film during the summer and hopefully he will get some more compelling evidence as time moves forward, you do need to have debate on this stuff as no one really knows what is panning out it also helps to keep an open mind, not just shout everything down because you don’t understand it as some like to do

I get that the gap in the wall is measured at 4 foot but how is the animals length then measured against that when it’s not  in the gap? Maybe I’m missing the point ?

[Greyman 29,296]

1 hour ago, bell said:

I get that the gap in the wall is measured at 4 foot but how is the animals length then measured against that when it’s not  in the gap? Maybe I’m missing the point ?

I,m not techie enough to pretend I know mate, there are people within the group that do this sort of stuff so it’s left to them it’s normally overlaid with a grid of squares of known size then moved around accordingly, but how it works is beyond me sorry

[bell 3,606]

10 minutes ago, Greyman said:

I,m not techie enough to pretend I know mate, there are people within the group that do this sort of stuff so it’s left to them it’s normally overlaid with a grid of squares of known size then moved around accordingly, but how it works is beyond me sorry

Cheers Gman. 

[Greyman 29,296]

This is an interesting news article and I know you will have to take my word on it, but the lady in the film Coryn was given a camcorder by the bbc at the time and actually filmed it in the day time, the cat actually ran very dog like, much like those in the thermal but the beeb took the camera back and own her footage, we also had positive dna hits from the carcass, but defra issued a D notice so the story was pulled from the news last minute, it’s not the first time this has happened and probably won’t be the last but if you believe me I can assure you the Woodchester carcass came back from Warwick university with a positive feline hit, the sample was then sent to a far more advanced facility in the states that went further and identified the species but like I say you have to take my word on it which for some people is not possible because they judge others by there own low standards and if lying is second nature they assume we are all the same I will keep searching for the footage she got as I know it’s still about

 

[Nicepix 5,650]

3 hours ago, Griswald said:

You don't think that behaviour is typical of a dog/fox, it is very canidae like behaviour the way it is foraging and and hunting up.

As for the scale of the thing, how can a comparison be made with the gap in the wall when said creature is much closer to the camera and thus much futher away from the gap in the wall?

And lastly, the creatures movement is clearly not cat like, everything points to dog/fox, it's not even debatable.

 

Like you I have no knowledge of big cats. Unlike you I confine my opinions to what I know to be true. For example you are making a generalisation that "it clearly is not acting like a cat".  I have seen enough wildlife documentaries to know that not all cats behave the same. You make generalisations about the different movement of cats and dogs yet there are many variations within each of the two families. A dandy dinmont does not move like a border collie let alone a wolf. Similarly if you watch footage of big cats on tv you will see that a lion does not move like a cheetah. I have the oppertunity to see foxes and domestic cats hunt the field outside my bedroom window. The actions of a young fox and a domestic cat when hunting mice are very similar. There is a very wide overlap between dog and cat species and types. Also, if there is a big cat loose, no matter what species it will have had to adapt its behaviour to being a solitary hunter, not a pack animal.

On another thread you make claims that dogs and bitches of the same type hunt differently so how can you generalise cats .v. dogs?

[Greyman 29,296]

30th is less than a week away, 9pm on blaze

 

[Nicepix 5,650]

2 minutes ago, Griswald said:

The way it is foraging is more dog like than cat.

That along with it's body profile is a dead give away, unless of course you know of any big cats like that?

No, I said bitches have been more successful than dogs at hare coursing, so you've come to the conclusion that they hunt differently, you're basically putting words in people's mouths.

So, what is coursing if not hunting? And you have made comparisons about them hunting. "Tbh mate once they're in hunting mode nothing gets in their way, I would always lean towards a dog cos couldn't be doing with the hassle of a bitch breaking down"

As for your other two comments; see my post above regards generalisation. 

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

33 minutes ago, Griswald said:

The way it is foraging is more dog like than cat.

Of course each species has their own subtleties but they are still similar to their respective family members.

That along with it's body profile is a dead give away, unless of course you know of any big cats like that, what cat has a whip like tail?

No, I said bitches have been more successful than dogs at hare coursing, so you've come to the conclusion that they hunt differently, you're basically putting words in people's mouths.

Foxes in the thermal have a whiplike tail mate because the tail fur when held behind and not curled up does not hold heat .Even foxes at close range do not show bushy tails .

Steer away from a dog mate .Experience says to me all clips are fox .

What others believe is immaterial to myself at this point .When ,if ,a large cat vid appears I shall be the first to congratulate Greyman .

The scaling of a distorted still pic is to me a bit disturbing though and should be made very clear to the person it comes from that it’s not acceptable .A decent outline image showing the correct features of any animal needs no scaling tbh .

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

On 21/10/2022 at 17:05, mC HULL said:

hares can look the size of dogs if your focus is a bit out for the range with the thermal

Hares are the bain of my life in the thermal mate .Sat up from a distance they look like a fox .

Hunched up they look like badgers .It’s only the movement that reveals what is is definitively which is why I ask everyone who’s ever seen a fox in the lamp or thermal about its business to watch how those animals move .Took me quite a while to sort out images from each other but now it’s second nature .

[Nicepix 5,650]

1 minute ago, Griswald said:

Your point doesn't make sense?

The thread was asking wether people think bitches are better than dogs at hare coursing, if you're going off results then that would point to a yes but the sample size is that small you probably can't make a judgement.

What has that got to do with this thread though?

Well you are making judgements on a sample size of zero! That is the number of big cats that you have you observed.

You are making generalisations without one scrap of evidence to support them.

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Hers another vid of mine showing that the way an animal moves is telltale to ID 

 

[Nicepix 5,650]

10 minutes ago, Griswald said:

But when said creature is of the canidae family then the sample size is in the hundreds, that immediately excludes any talk of big cats.

 

We are going round in circles.

Given that you have zero experience of big cats how do you know that some of the dog species cannot be confused with some of the cat species in appearance and behaviour?