Rogerbill 104 Posted October 10, 2020 Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 52 minutes ago, foxdropper said: Ah the old reverse psychology .We don’t have raccoons or big cats in my part of Wilts or I would have bagged both for you by now GM . Its not a matter of shouting loud just requiring you back up what your ranting about continually like a stuck record . You are unable to do so yet require some sort of recognition for effort and other bollocks .Arguing on here is just banter that you seem to use to throw the dummy out the pram ,threaten people and squeal to admin ,so maybe the internet isn’t for you being of a snowflake disposition . Debate is great but when there’s 300 pages of nothing it does seem like the wool is being squarely over our eyes .The ball is in your court ,your the instigator so appease your audience or loose them . I dont think he gives a f..k about appeasing the audience 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,263 Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 (edited) Shall we get back on track chaps, or at least ther highway...??? https://images.app.goo.gl/Cr2A4JtAF3KRNAaG7 why are British cougars following the green cross code when around 50% of fatality of their American counterparts are killed on the roads. for the younger members. Edited October 11, 2020 by sandymere 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 28,095 Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 Preview of the up coming film, notice the girl that had her arm eaten in the tiger king, no one has been closer than her 2 Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,263 Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 One must question with a population of 250 animals, why we aren’t seeing lots of footage as they encroach into urban areas, as they do in the USA, especially as we are relatively urban in the UK and have a very high CT TV coverage both private and public? https://patch.com/california/santacruz/momma-mountain-lion-cubs-santa-cruz-co-hoping-reunion https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/mountain-lions-spotted-near-homes-in-santa-cruz-mountains/196420/ https://patch.com/california/santacruz/see-cougar-spotted-santa-cruz-driveway https://www.sfchronicle.com/science/article/Fearsome-mountain-lions-high-tail-it-out-of-there-14100856.php Cubs, it seem rather odd that if we have a breeding population that cubs are never found, after all we live in a country of dog lovers and hunters yet no one ever finds cubs or a mother protecting cubs, or road kill cubs etc?? The so called wilderness areas of England, especially southern England have little in the way of undisturbed land to raise cubs undisturbed. Go on Bodmin or Exmoor in the spring you will see hoards of walkers, etc stomping everywhere with large parts being very open so. https://www.cornwalls.co.uk/myths-legends/beast_of_bodmin.htm If deer are preferred to sheep one wonders how many the farm will lose? https://www.fwi.co.uk/livestock/livestock-other-livestock/how-a-cornish-farm-set-up-on-farm-deer-processing-facilities https://www.openspace.org/visit-a-preserve/plants-wildlife/mountain-lions https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-02-18/santa-clara-county-park-closed-after-mountain-lion-attacks-6-year-old-girl-on-hiking-trail Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,263 Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Greyman said: Preview of the up coming film, notice the girl that had her arm eaten in the tiger king, no one has been closer than her i see little if any conclusive science, just a list of sightings ie sightings in 2009: London - 54 Kent - 30 Lancashire - 24 Derbyshire - 22 Essex - 22 Stafford - 19 Swansea - 18 Warwickshire - 17 Surrey - 16 Norfolk - 15 Wiltshire - 15 Yorkshire - 15 East Sussex - 14 Devon - 13 Lincolnshire - 13 Hertfordshire - 12 Northamptonshire - 12 West Sussex - 12 Cornwall - 11 Oxford - 11 Shropshire - 11 Somerset - 11 Cheshire - 10 Nottingham - 10 Suffolk - 10 Brighton - 8 Cambridgeshire - 8 Hampshire - 8 Glasgow - 7 Gloucestershire -7 some were multiple people or similar reports within an area/time period. Would anyone consider this as conclusive proof for or is evidence of existence??? Edited October 11, 2020 by sandymere Link to post Share on other sites
Welsh_red 4,614 Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, sandymere said: i see little if any conclusive science, just a list of sightings ie sightings in 2009: London - 54 Kent - 30 Lancashire - 24 Derbyshire - 22 Essex - 22 Stafford - 19 Swansea - 18 Warwickshire - 17 Surrey - 16 Norfolk - 15 Wiltshire - 15 Yorkshire - 15 East Sussex - 14 Devon - 13 Lincolnshire - 13 Hertfordshire - 12 Northamptonshire - 12 West Sussex - 12 Cornwall - 11 Oxford - 11 Shropshire - 11 Somerset - 11 Cheshire - 10 Nottingham - 10 Suffolk - 10 Brighton - 8 Cambridgeshire - 8 Hampshire - 8 Glasgow - 7 Gloucestershire -7 Would anyone consider this as conclusive proof for or is evidence of existence??? No its just numbers on a screen Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,263 Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Welsh_red said: No its just numbers on a screen they are reported sightings, from a good a source as any, but are reported sightings good evidence of existence?? Edited October 11, 2020 by sandymere 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Welsh_red 4,614 Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, sandymere said: they are reported sightings, from a good a source as any, but are reported sightings good evidence of existence?? Of course not . Their not evidence of any kind 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Squirrel_Basher 17,100 Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 Is there any info /breakdown within counties GM ,ie exact locations as counties very vague . Link to post Share on other sites
Welsh_red 4,614 Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 9 minutes ago, foxdropper said: Is there any info /breakdown within counties GM ,ie exact locations as counties very vague . Why would you want to know? Its all a load of bullshit remember 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 28,095 Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 Probably best ask sandy, I just put a trailer up to the up coming documentary and sandy has copied and pasted a list of sightings from 2009 to it for reasons only known to himself Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 3 hours ago, sandymere said: One must question with a population of 250 animals, why we aren’t seeing lots of footage as they encroach into urban areas, as they do in the USA, especially as we are relatively urban in the UK and have a very high CT TV coverage both private and public? https://patch.com/california/santacruz/momma-mountain-lion-cubs-santa-cruz-co-hoping-reunion https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/mountain-lions-spotted-near-homes-in-santa-cruz-mountains/196420/ https://patch.com/california/santacruz/see-cougar-spotted-santa-cruz-driveway https://www.sfchronicle.com/science/article/Fearsome-mountain-lions-high-tail-it-out-of-there-14100856.php Cubs, it seem rather odd that if we have a breeding population that cubs are never found, after all we live in a country of dog lovers and hunters yet no one ever finds cubs or a mother protecting cubs, or road kill cubs etc?? The so called wilderness areas of England, especially southern England have little in the way of undisturbed land to raise cubs undisturbed. Go on Bodmin or Exmoor in the spring you will see hoards of walkers, etc stomping everywhere with large parts being very open so. https://www.cornwalls.co.uk/myths-legends/beast_of_bodmin.htm If deer are preferred to sheep one wonders how many the farm will lose? https://www.fwi.co.uk/livestock/livestock-other-livestock/how-a-cornish-farm-set-up-on-farm-deer-processing-facilities https://www.openspace.org/visit-a-preserve/plants-wildlife/mountain-lions https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-02-18/santa-clara-county-park-closed-after-mountain-lion-attacks-6-year-old-girl-on-hiking-trail Where's the evidence for what your saying sandy? Your just typing words as you say, you've no evidence to say otherwise mate. Your just asking hypothetical questions, why hasn't this or why hasn't that happened,as if these things have to happen for cats to be in the wild. I think there's a possibility that there's a few out there, that's my opinion. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,263 Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Francie said: Where's the evidence for what your saying sandy? Your just typing words as you say, you've no evidence to say otherwise mate. Your just asking hypothetical questions, why hasn't this or why hasn't that happened,as if these things have to happen for cats to be in the wild. I think there's a possibility that there's a few out there, that's my opinion. You ask "Where's the evidence" for what i'm saying??? how many links to CCTV do you need for it to be evidence?? Pumas are seen in body and on CCTV in the USA but not here so how is that just typing words, its not its a statement of reality. Personally I would very much doubt there are any big cats out there, unless very recent escapees that will be in the news in the next few weeks, which is unlikely but I'm happy to be shown otherwise. So far the best evidence I've been shown is a video of a moggy watching flies in an old caravan that gets stalked by a bunch of twits with guns and personal sightings, do you feel that either of these is decent evidence? Do you feel the sightings i listed, reported on a military database, is evidence of existence of anything? Edited October 11, 2020 by sandymere 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,263 Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 Road kill in India https://news.mongabay.com/2014/09/meet-the-newest-enemy-to-indias-wildlife/ https://www.google.com/search?q=roadkill+impact+on+leopard&rlz=1C1GCEB_enGB891GB891&sxsrf=ALeKk03bY5km3jOtMHLHRCGN6uBzx-kmEQ:1602425791726&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=PAVwu5_0EOvCoM%2CS_jJTQQgVDPTpM%2C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kRLoGfLZZ4LK1cH-6Utr0H-3s9gCw&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiQyeCg3azsAhV-RBUIHYNaB8EQ9QF6BAgKEAY#imgrc=PAVwu5_0EOvCoM south America https://www.researchgate.net/publication/318702445_Puma_concolor_roadkill_in_Southeastern_Brazil_the_sex_bias_impact_on_population_genetic_diversity North America as I posted above. https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://hilltromper.com/sites/default/files/styles/img_624_x/public/field/image/Dead-puma-8-28-2014.jpg?itok%3Dl0f0QlSH&imgrefurl=https://hilltromper.com/article/mountain-lion-wildlife-crossing-Highway-17&tbnid=mv2bL1bGNFliTM&vet=1&docid=i0zpptH2HHKubM&w=624&h=451&source=sh/x/im But in UK this is the best we can come up with which seems a little odd…………… https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7942597/Terrified-driver-pulls-seeing-LEOPARD-lying-injured-road.html In general there are a variety of species including wallabies and beavers reported as road kill in the UK but unfortunately somewhat of a dearth of big cats. https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/badger-roadkill-pheasant-fox-hedgehog-project-splatter-a8991211.html Road kill is a massive player in ecology, just strange these big cat believers are ignoring it….I'd have thought for a "scientists" it would be one of the 1st questions asked?? https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10344-019-1357-4 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,263 Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 So the next point of question is DNA, all these kill sites and yet DNA seem starkly absent, Greyman mentions something back along to suggest some leopard like DNA was found somewhere??? Leopard like DNA, not really sure what that is exactly but it did lead my mind astray for a second with images of startled lab staff seeing the sample leaping from the analyser, clearing two microscopes to attack the zebra sample two stations down?? The claims of cat style killings are doubtful on their own and would appear to be just variations on the norm of predators/Scavenger like dogs and foxes. The claims of self styled experts would have it the kills were by big cats should be taken with a pinch of salt. Here we have a case of the “self styled” experts, declaring it a big cat kill https://woodchesterparish.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/Woodchester-Word-January-2012-web-21.pdf that was nothing to do with big cats…. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/will-dna-tests-solve-mystery-gloucestershire-big-cat-sightings-6288078.html there is always going to be variations in kill/scavenger styles but DNA can tell the truth, if used of course. Again one would imagine there would be a plethora of DNA evidence with 250 big cats killing, pretty much weekly, especially as in areas of high human disturbance, pretty much the whole of southern England, as the kill rate is higher due to disturbance. https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/pdf/10.1098/rspb.2014.2711 Science is simple; it boils down to having an idea, checking that idea, reviewing the findings. In this case find a kill that has similarity to what one would expect from a cat, take sample, send sample, see result, review and consider what the findings mean. In the case above it means self styled experts aren’t so expert. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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