kanny 20,737 Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 From what I was told by someone who does cladding is when they clad these buildings for insulation they often remove the old insulation from the cavity its possible the cavity acted as a huge chimney accelerating the fire ...seems quite plausible Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 Looks like the tribes are starting to riot ..... as per usual ....... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lurcherman 887 13,264 Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 They want answers. Answers to questions no one knows yet haha 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 20,737 Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 Another factor would be its been warm lots of people would have had there windows open this creates air flow and air flow feeds fire . 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 Yep their attacking the council staff now ... I hardly think it's the fault of a council receptionist ... every time something happens these fukcers riot ... send in the army in full riot kit and it will be quashed quick smart ........ 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 The ironic thing will be that they are rioting because of a tower block fire but due to the rioting they will inevitably start fires and burn other buildings ......... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
riohog 5,750 Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 Yep their attacking the council staff now ... I hardly think it's the fault of a council receptionist ... every time something happens these fukcers riot ... send in the army in full riot kit and it will be quashed quick smart ........ hot weather high tension a good remerdy for a fight .but anyway round them up fk them off Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackem 27,495 Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 Another factor would be its been warm lots of people would have had there windows open this creates air flow and air flow feeds fire . One guy on TV actually said.......................Its Ramadan.......I had my front door open. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,457 Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 Even if the original cause of the fire was arson you could literally watch the fire spread up the cladding in the same way as other fires that have happened around the world so I'm not sure how the "whole cladding thing is a load of bollocks" Do you have experience as a firefighter or fire risk assessment......i dont.....so i think i'll go on the opinion of somebody who does thanks.I don't really understand what your pal with all his experience is trying to say TBH, I mean we all saw the cladding burn with our own eyes and there's been cases in many other countries of the same type of cladding causing fire to spread in the same way. It's got nothing to do with whether the fire was started by arson or not, no one is saying the cladding was the cause of the fire itself just that it allowed it to spread in the way it did. I didn't know what he was talking about either....and do you know the reason i didn't know what he was talking about ? ....because I don't have the understanding or expertise he has.....you obviously do......he was coming up with words and materials I've never heard of that don't interest me all that interested me was his basic opinion on the mights and maybes.....but he would probably do better to just ask you ! You still haven't even said what his basic premise was, don't tell me you didn't understand that either? Is he saying the cladding wasn't responsible for the way the fire spread? What does he think was responsible then? Was someone spraying accelerant all over the outside of the block? For f**k sake shall i take a voice recorder with me next time ?... he was telling me about accelerents,retardents,specific gravitates,vapour densities and a whole lot of other boring shit i didnt understand......to which i asked him if the scenario i suggested was possible and he agreed it wouldn't be beyond the bounds of possibility for the truth of this tragedy to be manipulated as in his opinion that cladding on its own would not spread a fire on a perfectly still night in that way. Forgive my lack of detailed analysis but it was a 3 minute conversation most of which went in one ear and out the other.......had i known it would come under as much scrutiny id have paid more attention ! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 Tape recorder next time would be good We've seen almost the exact same scenario happen with this type of cladding in other countries so I'm not sure why he's so sure it's not possible that's what happened here. Certainly every expert I've seen weigh in on the subject has put it down to the cladding. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 Forgive my lack of detailed analysis but it was a 3 minute conversation most of which went in one ear and out the other.......had i known it would come under as much scrutiny id have paid more attention ! An HD trail cam as well, please squire. We'll have a whip round and send Socks over to stamp THL approval on the footage. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,457 Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 (edited) Tape recorder next time would be good We've seen almost the exact same scenario happen with this type of cladding in other countries so I'm not sure why he's so sure it's not possible that's what happened here. Certainly every expert I've seen weigh in on the subject has put it down to the cladding. Stone the crows where's that silly face that bangs its head against the wall.......that's the whole point im making man is it beyond possibility that experts will say what they are told to say and not what actually happened......the difference between an inquest and a public inquiry. Having a conversation with you is like trying to explain the offside rule to a woman where 4 hours after you started she says " so what way are they kicking then " Edited June 16, 2017 by gnasher16 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 Tape recorder next time would be good We've seen almost the exact same scenario happen with this type of cladding in other countries so I'm not sure why he's so sure it's not possible that's what happened here. Certainly every expert I've seen weigh in on the subject has put it down to the cladding. Stone the crows where's that silly face that bangs its head against the wall.......that's the whole point im making man is it beyond possibility that experts will say what they are told to say and not what actually happened......the difference between an inquest and a public inquiry. Having a conversation with you is like trying to explain the offside rule to a woman where 4 hours after you started she says " so what way are they kicking then " Hang about, what way are they kicking? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
riohog 5,750 Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 Government bending over backwards already May promising an initial 5 mill for those effected Will those slaughtered in Manchester and market borough get 5 mill Will they fcuk What did folk get for the tube and bus bombings 10 year ago What did Lee Rigbys mam ' dad ' son ect get ???? fkn easy to be free with other folks money , 5mill would give alot of old english folk alot of free heating in the winter ,, but no fk that let them die of hypothermia . maddness!! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lurcherman 887 13,264 Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 Catering for the muslims again Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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