Whats Going On In London?

[walshie 2,804]

 

 

 

Run, Hide, Tell. Sends shivers of shame down my spine. That's not what being British means to me.

What would your advice be to men/women/families caught up in a marauding terrorist attack facing knives, guns or perhaps explosives?

O.K. If we want to play the pedantry game, being advised to run, hide and tell really grates and is not what I was brought up to believe in. It's like saying this is how it's going to be, get used to it.

Like I've said, I don't think it's a motto, just advice to get out of the way in these circumstances & tell authorities as soon as possible so they can be taken out within minutes.

But if you would rather deal with armed terrorists yourself, that fine by me.....;-)

 

 

I didn't mention dealing with terrorists. I'd do more than run though, even if it was trying to help the wounded. So please stop trying to twist my words. Over and out.

[Accip74 7,112]

 

 

 

 

Run, Hide, Tell. Sends shivers of shame down my spine. That's not what being British means to me.

 

What would your advice be to men/women/families caught up in a marauding terrorist attack facing knives, guns or perhaps explosives?

O.K. If we want to play the pedantry game, being advised to run, hide and tell really grates and is not what I was brought up to believe in. It's like saying this is how it's going to be, get used to it.

Like I've said, I don't think it's a motto, just advice to get out of the way in these circumstances & tell authorities as soon as possible so they can be taken out within minutes.

But if you would rather deal with armed terrorists yourself, that fine by me.....;-)

I didn't mention dealing with terrorists. I'd do more than run though, even if it was trying to help the wounded. So please stop trying to twist my words. Over and out.

I wasn't trying to twist your words at all. We would all like to think we would be useful under these circumstances, like socks has said, if I was boxed in I'd hope I wouldn't go out cowering under a table, but faced with a machine gun, who knows?

We haven't seen that yet in the uk, but a paris style attack with automatic weapons could be round the corner? & getting out the fcuking way is probably the best advice we could get.

I just didn't interoperate that advice as giving up as a nation, but maybe I'm wrong?

Edited June 5, 2017 by Accip74

[scothunter 12,609]

It is a bit of grating piece of advice. Like during the cold war if a nuclear attack happens get under the kitvhen table. "Duck and cover" LOL

[Accip74 7,112]

It is a bit of grating piece of advice. Like during the cold war if a nuclear attack happens get under the kitvhen table. "Duck and cover" LOL

.....or building a shelter under the stairs may give you 5 more minutes of life! Haha...

[Astanley 11,576]

 

 

Run, Hide, Tell. Sends shivers of shame down my spine. That's not what being British means to me.

Surely that advice was aimed at women and children , I am not a macho ,key board warrior type of fella ,I like a peaceful existence without going looking for aggro as much as the next man ,but I WILL NOT run and hide ,not now ,not ever .

So, as in the case of the Paris attacks, you were sitting outside a restaurant & it was sprayed with bullets by terrorists, you wouldn't duck for cover & attempt to call authorities? You would just stand your ground?

I don't know why you seem to have taken exception to my statement ,I didn't say I wouldn't duck for cover ,I didn't say I wouldn't call the authorities ,I didn't say I would just stand my ground .

[pesky1972 5,326]

The 'Run, Hide, Tell' advice is designed simply to minimise the body count and the success of the terrorist event. In truth it's stating the bleeding obvious if say you're unarmed and facing a team of attackers with assault rifles, but then every situation is unique.., and so would any opportunity be to retaliate. Can't believe so many are getting wound up about this tbh..., especially as it's really only when you're thrust into a situation like this that you'd ever find out what you'd do.

[Accip74 7,112]

 

 

 

Run, Hide, Tell. Sends shivers of shame down my spine. That's not what being British means to me.

Surely that advice was aimed at women and children , I am not a macho ,key board warrior type of fella ,I like a peaceful existence without going looking for aggro as much as the next man ,but I WILL NOT run and hide ,not now ,not ever .

So, as in the case of the Paris attacks, you were sitting outside a restaurant & it was sprayed with bullets by terrorists, you wouldn't duck for cover & attempt to call authorities? You would just stand your ground?

I don't know why you seem to have taken exception to my statement ,I didn't say I wouldn't duck for cover ,I didn't say I wouldn't call the authorities ,I didn't say I would just stand my ground .

I haven't taken exception at all to it mate, I'm simply highlighting the fact that in extream circumstances, which let's not forget this advice is aimed at, then getting out of the way & calling armed response is maybe the best option.

 

In all honesty I'm looking at it from my point of view. These days if I'm in a public place like that, then nine times out of ten I'm going to be with 2 young kids & my wife. I don't care what people think of me, but shooting starts I'm grabbing my kids & heading in the opposite direction & not looking back.

Someone said "make the kids safe, then grab a weapon" really?? Ushering your kids to one side & then heading back into the fray is making them safe? No mate, I'm out of there with my kids, until I know they are safe.

If I could help in any way I would, but I'll be leaving the confrontation to armed police.

[kanny 20,687]

It's fight or flight I'd say take flight if your family are with you unless you have no choice but to defend yourself

[Accip74 7,112]

It's fight or flight I'd say take flight if your family are with you unless you have no choice but to defend yourself

So many factors involved, that's it quite hard to predict what you would doing from comfort of your living room....

[DEERMAN 1,020]

The 'Run, Hide, Tell' advice is designed simply to minimise the body count and the success of the terrorist event. In truth it's stating the bleeding obvious if say you're unarmed and facing a team of attackers with assault rifles, but then every situation is unique.., and so would any opportunity be to retaliate. Can't believe so many are getting wound up about this tbh..., especially as it's really only when you're thrust into a situation like this that you'd ever find out what you'd do.

Best post on here , you can give it billy big bollacks on here but unless you have been on the 2 way range you dont know your actions ,but before you do anything when theres incoming you will be lower than a snakes belly and thats speaking from experience

[king 11,984]

And this is the conversation what these terrorist are making us talk about.

Sat here shaking my head.

We shouldn't be having these thoughts or conversations really.

The 3000 or 23000 Muslims on the watch list need locking up or if immigrants sent back on chartered flights.

For a start.

I'm quite certain that if another 1 act or 10 acts of these terrorists on UK soil happen.

Then what will happen is the same as what's happening now.

Feck all.

[Astanley 11,576]

Getting family out of the way and to safety is not running away and hiding ,its saving lives ,the same applies if you usher and help any vulnerable people to safety ,your helping ,doing something useful ,what I,m trying to say is in the absence of the professionals ,you do what you can as a man ,whether its getting people safe ,tending the wounded ,throwing stones or impeding the attacker in any way you can ,you do it ! Once the armed police arrive obviously you make yourself useful by getting g out of their way .

[Accip74 7,112]

And this is the conversation what these terrorist are making us talk about.

Sat here shaking my head.

We shouldn't be having these thoughts or conversations really.

The 3000 or 23000 Muslims on the watch list need locking up or if immigrants sent back on chartered flights.

For a start.

I'm quite certain that if another 1 act or 10 acts of these terrorists on UK soil happen.

Then what will happen is the same as what's happening now.

Feck all.

You are right mate, it's a very sad fact that we are even having this conversation. I've been in shopping malls in Brussels, thinking "what would I do" "what's the best way out" fcuking tragic ain't it?

[BGD 6,436]

Killer who was filmed in Regent's Park with an ISIS flag and tried to radicalise children with sweets was shopped to police TWICE as it emerges one of his fellow terrorists lived in DUBLIN

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4571902/London-Bridge-killer-slipped-police-s-net.html

 

The London Bridge killer wearing an Arsenal shirt slipped through the intelligence net despite being reported to the police at least twice for his extremism including trying to twist the minds of children, it was revealed today.

 

The security services face difficult questions because the 27-year-old Muslim ringleader, known to friends as 'Abz', even appeared in a TV documentary last year about British jihadists and unfurled an ISIS-style flag in Regent's Park.

 

He was also caught on camera alongside two notorious preachers who were well known to police and intelligence officials because of their extremist views.

 

A friend of the suspect had reported him to the anti-terror hotline after he became an extremist by watching videos on YouTube and police were also warned about the suspect radicalising children in a local park two years ago, giving them sweets and money to listen to him.

 

'Abz' also berated an Imam for encouraging worshippers to vote in the 2015 General Election and was banned from the mosque in the ensuing row.

 

A friend who called the anti-terror hotline said: 'I did my bit, I know other people did their bit but the authorities did not do their bit'.

 

The suspect, who the Mail has chosen not to name at the request of police, is understood to be one of three men who embarked on a stabbing rampage in London on Saturday night.

 

Gardai in Ireland have confirmed that an Irish ID card was found on the body of another of the killers - who is believed to have been born in Morocco but living in Dublin. Police say he was living in the Rathmines area of the Irish capital with his Scottish wife but he was not on their radar.

 

Scotland Yard says that it knows the identities of all the killers who murdered seven and injured 48 on London Bridge and inside Borough Market - but have asked the press not to name them.

Once again there was multiple opportunities to put a stop to this before anything happened, fecking shameful But of course the Police Federation were scaremongering when they told May this is what would happen if police numbers were cut.

[kanny 20,687]

Killer who was filmed in Regent's Park with an ISIS flag and tried to radicalise children with sweets was shopped to police TWICE as it emerges one of his fellow terrorists lived in DUBLINhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4571902/London-Bridge-killer-slipped-police-s-net.html

The London Bridge killer wearing an Arsenal shirt slipped through the intelligence net despite being reported to the police at least twice for his extremism including trying to twist the minds of children, it was revealed today.

The security services face difficult questions because the 27-year-old Muslim ringleader, known to friends as 'Abz', even appeared in a TV documentary last year about British jihadists and unfurled an ISIS-style flag in Regent's Park.

He was also caught on camera alongside two notorious preachers who were well known to police and intelligence officials because of their extremist views.

A friend of the suspect had reported him to the anti-terror hotline after he became an extremist by watching videos on YouTube and police were also warned about the suspect radicalising children in a local park two years ago, giving them sweets and money to listen to him.

'Abz' also berated an Imam for encouraging worshippers to vote in the 2015 General Election and was banned from the mosque in the ensuing row.

A friend who called the anti-terror hotline said: 'I did my bit, I know other people did their bit but the authorities did not do their bit'.

The suspect, who the Mail has chosen not to name at the request of police, is understood to be one of three men who embarked on a stabbing rampage in London on Saturday night.

Gardai in Ireland have confirmed that an Irish ID card was found on the body of another of the killers - who is believed to have been born in Morocco but living in Dublin. Police say he was living in the Rathmines area of the Irish capital with his Scottish wife but he was not on their radar.

Scotland Yard says that it knows the identities of all the killers who murdered seven and injured 48 on London Bridge and inside Borough Market - but have asked the press not to name them.

Once again there was multiple opportunities to put a stop to this before anything happened, fecking shameful But of course the Police Federation were scaremongering when they told May this is what would happen if police numbers were cut.

Wernt the 7/7 bombings carried out under labours watch with the highest number of police ever? .. Just saying like