Whats Going On In London?

[scothunter 12,609]

He just takes every opportunity to slag off the Brits.

 

I have seen many people probaly a few on here forget to engage a handbrake or knock it out of gear by accident and werent faced with a life threatening siuation and split second decisions.

 

Also i dont think our armed cops are amateurs far from it! They weren't going to just run over people in the road until they at least established who they were. Its not beyond probality that someone may have disarmed a terrorist and was fighting back. There was no audio in that vid but im willing to bet they cops threw down a verbal challenge and told them to drop the knife.

 

As for americans there is literally hundreds of vids on cop shootings there who to call them amateuer would be paying them a compliment.

[stonewall 1,913]

 

Lol..that vid shows what a bunch of amateurs your sharp shooters are...they coulda killed them with the police car... there what they call rookies in america.

 

Amateurs that neutralised 3 terrorist dogs in 8 minutes. Not bad going even if they aren't as good as the world famous irish police.

 

i honestly hope that our gardai or rapid response teams do as wel as those lads did in london being on the scene and job sorted in 8 mins.i will hold my breath and wait and see.

[Nik_B 3,790]

Another 10 seconds and that young land might have been killed, sod the parking break

[socks 32,253]

I'm not knocking them lads I'm just saying that drills like that should have been practiced hundreds of times and should be second nature .... a rolling 2 ton 4x4 could have done some seriouse damage to the innocent public .......

[Born Hunter 17,751]

The finest counter terror forces in the world make f**k ups. What makes them the finest is their ability to succeed when the shit hits the fan.

 

Plenty of comical SAS accounts of unexpected shit going wrong. When the most heavily funded operators in the world the US Navy's 'SEAL team 6' killed Bin Laden their elite Air Force pilots crashed one of the helicopters because they hadn't accounted for the air currents caused by the compound walls!

 

Why that car didn't remain stopped is anyone's guess, maybe the handbrake malfunctioned. On the whole they got the job done....

Edited June 8, 2017 by Born Hunter

[scothunter 12,609]

The guy in the iranian embassy seige nearly got burnt when his rope got twisted.Had to get cut free. Even then was faced with a drop that could have killed him.

 

every c**t makes mistakes regardless of who you are!

[Nik_B 3,790]

 

 

Nice accounts of the see wiz, socks. Didn't realise they were part of land based defences in the Gulf. I assume they were American? The only land based systems I thought the british military used was rapier and starstreak.

 

Anyway, I love reading about all those naval systems and weapons. Still the ultimate in power projection!

 

I doubt rapier or starstreak can take out a mortar or small rocket, they're not really designed for that. In a flat desert area with little ground clutter that Phalanx is ideal and a great way to test the system. It's amazing how accurate it is as well, I was always doubtful of the effectiveness of some of these wonder weapons after the first Gulf war when they found most Patriots missed their targets.

 

Modern SAMs are highly effective but it gets me wondering why we still use such an old system like rapier, is that all we have protecting our country? I know they're planning to replace it with a more standard missile but I would thought we would have a patriot equivalent at least. I think what they did was update the radar system to a very modern one and make improvements to the seeker, since BAE are involved you can imagine they have some top notch upgrades though so maybe it's only a rapier by name?

 

If that stuff interests you there is a free SAM Simulator (google it) you can get, it only simulates older Soviet missile and radar systems since there is no way to have access to the modern types of any nationality. It's quite different to what most people imagine the operator can see and what he is doing.

 

 

I think Rapier is a bit hit and miss but the Starstreak system is more capable. Anyway, my point was that to my knowledge those systems are the limit of the British military's land based air defences. Which is why I speculated that the Phalanx Socks was talking about was an American bit of kit.

 

I'm pretty sure that the Aster system used by the Royal Navy is being experimented with for land operations.

 

 

Yep it's interesting to me that we only seem to have these two systems both of which have a small range (only 8000m) and are designed to defeat fast low flying targets but we don't appear to have a Patriot/S400 type missile which should be able to reach out several hundred KM, BAE are more than capable of making something like that so the powers that be obviously think we don't need it right now. You could be right it might very well be an American System.

[socks 32,253]

Fukc sake Ladies I keep saying well done to them and that mistakes happen ... all I'm saying is it wasn't as slick as it should have been and could have cause more deaths injuries ... as it happened it didn't ... WELL DONE TO THE POLICE .....

[Nik_B 3,790]

Fukc sake Ladies I keep saying well done to them and that mistakes happen ... all I'm saying is it wasn't as slick as it should have been and could have cause more deaths injuries ... as it happened it didn't ... WELL DONE TO THE POLICE .....

 

I don't think anyone was having a pop at you Socks, more that other person's comment about them being amateurs.

[scothunter 12,609]

Who says we were directing it at you socks lol my posts were directed at "bell end"

[Born Hunter 17,751]

 

 

 

 

Yep it's interesting to me that we only seem to have these two systems both of which have a small range (only 8000m) and are designed to defeat fast low flying targets but we don't appear to have a Patriot/S400 type missile which should be able to reach out several hundred KM, BAE are more than capable of making something like that so the powers that be obviously think we don't need it right now. You could be right it might very well be an American System.

 

 

I dare say there has been a degree of assuming that any future campaign would be in support of an American force and so certain capabilities have fallen victim to austerity! Maritime patrol, the RAF's anti shipping role etc.

 

In truth how much of a need would there be for a high altitude SAM for the British land forces? The mainland is defended by RAF Typhoons and any potential solo campaigns (Falklands, Cyprus, Gibraltar) would have the Navy to provide that role.

[Nik_B 3,790]

 

 

 

 

 

Yep it's interesting to me that we only seem to have these two systems both of which have a small range (only 8000m) and are designed to defeat fast low flying targets but we don't appear to have a Patriot/S400 type missile which should be able to reach out several hundred KM, BAE are more than capable of making something like that so the powers that be obviously think we don't need it right now. You could be right it might very well be an American System.

 

 

I dare say there has been a degree of assuming that any future campaign would be in support of an American force and so certain capabilities have fallen victim to austerity! Maritime patrol, the RAF's anti shipping role etc.

 

In truth how much of a need would there be for a high altitude SAM for the British land forces? The mainland is defended by RAF Typhoons and any potential solo campaigns (Falklands, Cyprus, Gibraltar) would have the Navy to provide that role.

 

 

Well that is a good point because we can just deploy (and probably do) the Type 45 destroyers to provide the same thing...mystery solved!

[Born Hunter 17,751]

Aye, I wasn't responding to you Socks, dear. I agree with everything you have said.

 

If it was a genuine cock up that hadn't been ironed out in training, then I'm sure it will be now. He'll not forget that one!

 

Maybe he was halfway through a bag of jam doughnuts when the call went out and had greasy fingers.

Edited June 8, 2017 by Born Hunter

[gnasher16 30,058]

I bet that young kid is delighted plod gained a couple of seconds not bothering with the handbrake it only takes 1 second to stab someone so it probably saved him a couple of holes.

[kanny 20,503]