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[kanny 20,508]

 

 

If there were no muslims in this country there would be no muslims here to bomb murder and terrorise us, a no brainer for me

 

Wasnt it the Irish before the Muslims ffs. Reality check dreams of no islam and no Muslims in the uk are just that dreams. Realistic ways to deal with the problems have to be found this will be done by people with a desire and a determination to find realistic ways to move forward. I certainly dont know the final solution and I very much doubt the pie in the sky soothe sayers do either.

I agree its daft to say ship em all out blah blah blah ...I'd like to see a halt on Islamic expansion in this country now no more mosques and no more Islamic schools and with more scrutiny on the ones that are already here and they would be operating on a one strike and your closed down basis... I'd also like to see a system where politicians and councillors of any mix who have serious issues raised about them can be removed via a nation wide vote not just local it wouldent be difficult just register with gov website and vote if its out its a vote of no confidence and the offender is removed from duty immediately and the position filled by a competent member of the same party....that would be a start.

[Nik_B 3,790]

I've been in the forces for over a decade now

 

I've worked alongside and intergrated with some of the best soldiers the U.K. Has to offer including some specialised units

 

In my time I have heard of no one, as in not one person who has left and upsticks to join a pashmerga unit,

 

And I know plenty who would

 

So whose going?

 

Wagon drivers, day dreamers and play station clowns who seem to think they are making a difference

 

They aren't

 

If anything their efforts are hindering a full scale intervention from happening

 

Clowns, I need a car and a credit card paid off

 

Loads of ex military join private military contracting firms, plenty of them wanted the big money and some seemed to have been drawn to the action, there is even a book by an ex para who talks like he enjoyed it. Personally I think it's nuts to be driving round in poorly armoured cars without the same kind of backup the military get i.e airpower, a lot of them have been killed but it never makes the news. Is there a huge difference between them and the ones who want to go and "fight ISIS"?

 

I have worked with many ex military people who do jobs related to security and it was interesting to talk to the ones who'd been to Iraq, most of them didn't want to go there though which was why they were in less war torn but still dangerous places like Algeria etc.

[desertbred 5,490]

I really don't see how killing people in Iraq is going to ever stop this from happening, not destroying Libya would have though.

 

As I've said before there are several thousand people being watched here, on top of that there are many thousands of people who have fought in Afghanistan 1.0, Kosovo, Chechnya, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan 2.0, Iraq, Algeria and other countries. The seconds group are not dangerous in the sense they are likely to kill anyone because they're too old but they are the people who the young ones look up to. If you see if through their eyes why would they not look up to some 60 year old who has tails of fighting the Russians as a 'freedom' fighter. Those people are far more dangerous because they are part of the so called radicalization.

 

It would be simple to get rid of anyone and their families who have fought in any of these insurgencies but they don't, personally I think the government likes having them here it serves a purpose.

What about the regulars hiring out as Mercenaries in Iraq Syria Lybia Afghanistan are they not liabilities your logic is off the wall. Was part of the Revolutionary Guard in Iran I was also for several years towards the end of my service attached to DEA stoping powder flooding into the West get real before you try radical ethnic cleansing. LOL

[desertbred 5,490]

 

 

If there were no muslims in this country there would be no muslims here to bomb murder and terrorise us, a no brainer for me

Wasnt it the Irish before the Muslims ffs. Reality check dreams of no islam and no Muslims in the uk are just that dreams. Realistic ways to deal with the problems have to be found this will be done by people with a desire and a determination to find realistic ways to move forward. I certainly dont know the final solution and I very much doubt the pie in the sky soothe sayers do either.

I agree its daft to say ship em all out blah blah blah ...I'd like to see a halt on Islamic expansion in this country now no more mosques and no more Islamic schools and with more scrutiny on the ones that are already here and they would be operating on a one strike and your closed down basis... I'd also like to see a system where politicians and councillors of any mix who have serious issues raised about them can be removed via a nation wide vote not just local it wouldent be difficult just register with gov website and vote if its out its a vote of no confidence and the offender is removed from duty immediately and the position filled by a competent member of the same party....that would be a start.

 

Totally agree and I would first and formost investigate every Saudia funded Mosque and Islamic school here in the UK most of the radicalisation is linked to these Saudia funded establishments wahabi supported groups who happen to be the Blue eyed investors of the UK and USA. People say you say this because you are Shia do you know more Shia have been killed fighting isis Al Quaida , Taliban than peshmerga and every other members of the coalition put together not because we are shit soldiers because we get down and dirty and are not afraid to die for truth and justice. What has any of the terrorist activity related to Islamic groups achieved it hasdamaged islam and Muslims through out the world even those settled in Countries for nearly 7/8 decades does any of it make sense. ?

Edited May 25, 2017 by desertbred

[Nik_B 3,790]

 

I really don't see how killing people in Iraq is going to ever stop this from happening, not destroying Libya would have though.

 

As I've said before there are several thousand people being watched here, on top of that there are many thousands of people who have fought in Afghanistan 1.0, Kosovo, Chechnya, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan 2.0, Iraq, Algeria and other countries. The seconds group are not dangerous in the sense they are likely to kill anyone because they're too old but they are the people who the young ones look up to. If you see if through their eyes why would they not look up to some 60 year old who has tails of fighting the Russians as a 'freedom' fighter. Those people are far more dangerous because they are part of the so called radicalization.

 

It would be simple to get rid of anyone and their families who have fought in any of these insurgencies but they don't, personally I think the government likes having them here it serves a purpose.

What about the regulars hiring out as Mercenaries in Iraq Syria Lybia Afghanistan are they not liabilities your logic is off the wall. Was part of the Revolutionary Guard in Iran I was also for several years towards the end of my service attached to DEA stoping powder flooding into the West get real before you try radical ethnic cleansing. LOL

 

 

You and I could probably have an interesting conversation one day if you would read what I wrote. I am talking about the fighters who have been funded by certain countries and USED by other agencies and countries to fight their dirty little wars and who then come home and pass on knowledge and encourage others to do the same....what is radical about getting rid of 30,000 people? Do you agree we should be protecting Algerian terrorists and stopping them from getting justice in their own country? That was a big complaint I heard many times from Algerians!!

 

You should know my stance on the bullshit wars we've been involved in, I was against all of them especially the destabilization of Libya (a place I enjoyed working in) and Syria a place EVERYONE said I should visit because it was so nice.

 

I just addressed the PMCs above by the way

[C556 351]

Low quality volunteers can sit in positions on quiet sections of the front freeing up better quality troops to take part in attacks.

[mushroom 12,883]

 

 

If there were no muslims in this country there would be no muslims here to bomb murder and terrorise us, a no brainer for me

Wasnt it the Irish before the Muslims ffs. Reality check dreams of no islam and no Muslims in the uk are just that dreams. Realistic ways to deal with the problems have to be found this will be done by people with a desire and a determination to find realistic ways to move forward. I certainly dont know the final solution and I very much doubt the pie in the sky soothe sayers do either.

The spainsh did it and they will again! So can we!

[Nik_B 3,790]

 

 

 

If there were no muslims in this country there would be no muslims here to bomb murder and terrorise us, a no brainer for me

Wasnt it the Irish before the Muslims ffs. Reality check dreams of no islam and no Muslims in the uk are just that dreams. Realistic ways to deal with the problems have to be found this will be done by people with a desire and a determination to find realistic ways to move forward. I certainly dont know the final solution and I very much doubt the pie in the sky soothe sayers do either.

I agree its daft to say ship em all out blah blah blah ...I'd like to see a halt on Islamic expansion in this country now no more mosques and no more Islamic schools and with more scrutiny on the ones that are already here and they would be operating on a one strike and your closed down basis... I'd also like to see a system where politicians and councillors of any mix who have serious issues raised about them can be removed via a nation wide vote not just local it wouldent be difficult just register with gov website and vote if its out its a vote of no confidence and the offender is removed from duty immediately and the position filled by a competent member of the same party....that would be a start.

 

Totally agree and I would first and formost investigate every Saudia funded Mosque and Islamic school here in the UK most of the radicalisation is linked to these Saudia funded establishments wahabi supported groups who happen to be the Blue eyed investors of the UK and USA

 

 

and isn't that exactly what I have said consistently for years on this forum?

 

Not many people will know that the CIA supplied weapons to Saudi funded jihadis in parts of Yugoslavia, the Saudi funded mosques and schools are a recruiting ground for their proxy armies call it AQ, AL Nusra or what ever it's all the same and serves the same purpose. If ISIS was such a threat why did the US cut off weapon supplies of hellfire missiles and bombs to Maliki government while ISIS was rolling towards Baghdad 5 years ago?

[desertbred 5,490]

 

 

If there were no muslims in this country there would be no muslims here to bomb murder and terrorise us, a no brainer for me

Wasnt it the Irish before the Muslims ffs. Reality check dreams of no islam and no Muslims in the uk are just that dreams. Realistic ways to deal with the problems have to be found this will be done by people with a desire and a determination to find realistic ways to move forward. I certainly dont know the final solution and I very much doubt the pie in the sky soothe sayers do either.

The spainsh did it and they will again! So can we!

 

It wa the decline of the Otterman and Byzantine Empires much like the disintegration of the USSR not some magic coup de tar by the Spanish.

Edited May 25, 2017 by desertbred

[desertbred 5,490]

 

 

 

 

If there were no muslims in this country there would be no muslims here to bomb murder and terrorise us, a no brainer for me

Wasnt it the Irish before the Muslims ffs. Reality check dreams of no islam and no Muslims in the uk are just that dreams. Realistic ways to deal with the problems have to be found this will be done by people with a desire and a determination to find realistic ways to move forward. I certainly dont know the final solution and I very much doubt the pie in the sky soothe sayers do either.

I agree its daft to say ship em all out blah blah blah ...I'd like to see a halt on Islamic expansion in this country now no more mosques and no more Islamic schools and with more scrutiny on the ones that are already here and they would be operating on a one strike and your closed down basis... I'd also like to see a system where politicians and councillors of any mix who have serious issues raised about them can be removed via a nation wide vote not just local it wouldent be difficult just register with gov website and vote if its out its a vote of no confidence and the offender is removed from duty immediately and the position filled by a competent member of the same party....that would be a start.

 

Totally agree and I would first and formost investigate every Saudia funded Mosque and Islamic school here in the UK most of the radicalisation is linked to these Saudia funded establishments wahabi supported groups who happen to be the Blue eyed investors of the UK and USA

 

 

and isn't that exactly what I have said consistently for years on this forum?

 

Not many people will know that the CIA supplied weapons to Saudi funded jihadis in parts of Yugoslavia, the Saudi funded mosques and schools are a recruiting ground for their proxy armies call it AQ, AL Nusra or what ever it's all the same and serves the same purpose. If ISIS was such a threat why did the US cut off weapon supplies of hellfire missiles and bombs to Maliki government while ISIS was rolling towards Baghdad 5 years ago?

 

Today USA is going to announce curtailing military supplies to Saudia.

[Nik_B 3,790]

Here's the level at which the US worked with Iran (their supposed greatest enemy) by supplying them with the most advanced fighter in the world at the time....OT I know but it's a cool plane and the Iranians are the only airforce in the world that still use them. Back on topic....

 

[WILF 46,716]

I don't know what anyone else thinks but I always believed that at certain points in life you just get to a point where you have had all your polite sensible conversations, you have done all the give and take, you have discussed all the scenarios and tried to see all the sides.........sometimes there's just a time to stop talking and be a f***ing savage.

 

As my old man used to say, some people only understand one language.

[Nik_B 3,790]

 

 

 

 

 

If there were no muslims in this country there would be no muslims here to bomb murder and terrorise us, a no brainer for me

Wasnt it the Irish before the Muslims ffs. Reality check dreams of no islam and no Muslims in the uk are just that dreams. Realistic ways to deal with the problems have to be found this will be done by people with a desire and a determination to find realistic ways to move forward. I certainly dont know the final solution and I very much doubt the pie in the sky soothe sayers do either.

I agree its daft to say ship em all out blah blah blah ...I'd like to see a halt on Islamic expansion in this country now no more mosques and no more Islamic schools and with more scrutiny on the ones that are already here and they would be operating on a one strike and your closed down basis... I'd also like to see a system where politicians and councillors of any mix who have serious issues raised about them can be removed via a nation wide vote not just local it wouldent be difficult just register with gov website and vote if its out its a vote of no confidence and the offender is removed from duty immediately and the position filled by a competent member of the same party....that would be a start.

 

Totally agree and I would first and formost investigate every Saudia funded Mosque and Islamic school here in the UK most of the radicalisation is linked to these Saudia funded establishments wahabi supported groups who happen to be the Blue eyed investors of the UK and USA

 

 

and isn't that exactly what I have said consistently for years on this forum?

 

Not many people will know that the CIA supplied weapons to Saudi funded jihadis in parts of Yugoslavia, the Saudi funded mosques and schools are a recruiting ground for their proxy armies call it AQ, AL Nusra or what ever it's all the same and serves the same purpose. If ISIS was such a threat why did the US cut off weapon supplies of hellfire missiles and bombs to Maliki government while ISIS was rolling towards Baghdad 5 years ago?

 

Today USA is going to announce curtailing military supplies to Saudia.

 

 

Proxy war...weaken one side and strengthen the other, rinse repeat until no one can win, it's the best and most tried and tested strategy.

 

Were you not a bit surprised that the US removed sanctions at such a strange time when the Iranian military was fighting in Syria...it is the most interesting decision made by the US in the entire war to me...personally I think they couldn't reign in the Saudi/Qatari proxies so did it to level the playing fields, either that or they are trying to extract themselves from the ME and balance the power structure with two spheres of influence in the gulf.

[mushroom 12,883]

 

 

 

 

If there were no muslims in this country there would be no muslims here to bomb murder and terrorise us, a no brainer for me

Wasnt it the Irish before the Muslims ffs. Reality check dreams of no islam and no Muslims in the uk are just that dreams. Realistic ways to deal with the problems have to be found this will be done by people with a desire and a determination to find realistic ways to move forward. I certainly dont know the final solution and I very much doubt the pie in the sky soothe sayers do either.

The spainsh did it and they will again! So can we!

It wa the decline of the Otterman and Byzantine Empires much like the disintegration of the USSR not some magic coup de tar by the Spanish.

Research your history pal the ottomans didnt go down until the first world war. The northern spanish kingdoms knocked seven bells of shit out of your ilk centuries before that

[desertbred 5,490]

Here's the level at which the US worked with Iran (their supposed greatest enemy) by supplying them with the most advanced fighter in the world at the time....OT I know but it's a cool plane and the Iranians are the only airforce in the world that still use them. Back on topic....

 

These were supplied to Saddam to use against Iran in the 1979/88 war during the gulf war invasion in 91 Saddam flew his entire airforce intoIran to stop it being destroyed on the ground we in Iran duly kept them and painted them in our airforce livery LOL you are trying to teach me Irans military history LOL