Labour Manifesto

[Born Hunter 17,763]

Or.......you could have some faith in humanity, let them keep their own money and provide for those less fortunate in their own family's or area.?

 

Imagine a world where government didn't need to legislate your responsibility !

 

Exactly, which is what food banks are. People see that as a bad thing though. Something that is a sign of a decadent society.

 

Letting people choose who to support is a bad bad thing. Much better we have the government take our money for such a valid cause......... so that they can f**k it away on something no one supports at a later date.

[tatsblisters 9,663]

Food banks only get used because their there to be used... I don't remember people walking round with pop bellys and malnutrition before we had food banks.. I agree they have there place for society most vulnerable like the homeless but on the whole most who use them probably don't need to. Why spend your money on food when someone is giving it away for free

If drugs or drink is your first choice of prioritys then food banks will be a godsend to those who live the way they do.I do not know anybody who uses these foodbanks tbh .

[WILF 46,789]

My point is, in a country and a world awash with money they shouldn't need to exist other than as a means to helping people back on to their feet.........at present I truly beleive that they are a requirement to live for some folk and that's wrong.

 

Imho, the fishing net of welfare and the tax burden keeps people in poverty rather than allowing them a decent chance to flourish and enjoy the fruits of their own labour.

 

Food banks should be a stepping stone, not the place you HAVE to go for your weekly shop.

[Born Hunter 17,763]

My point is, in a country and a world awash with money they shouldn't need to exist other than as a means to helping people back on to their feet.........at present I truly beleive that they are a requirement to live for some folk and that's wrong.

 

Imho, the fishing net of welfare and the tax burden keeps people in poverty rather than allowing them a decent chance to flourish and enjoy the fruits of their own labour.

 

Food banks should be a stepping stone, not the place you HAVE to go for your weekly shop.

 

I agree and the same could be said of jobs that pay minimum wage.

 

The choice is, fix social/political attitudes or carry on with the current ones of more tax and legislation to give the end result everyone thinks is right.

Edited May 17, 2017 by Born Hunter

[WILF 46,789]

I can only speak about the London area but I don't understand how people are meant to survive.....take a bloke on minimum wage, what is it?....£10 an hour?

 

That's £400 a week.....he will take home about £300?

If he has to drive he will get rinsed for £60 congestion charge for the week.

 

So now he has £240.......

 

He will do about £50 in fuel.......

 

£190......

 

He has to tax and insure, service and repair the car......£20 a week

 

£170......

 

He has to eat, so that will be £40......

 

£130.00......

 

Out of that £130 he has to pay rent, light, heat, water, council tax.........

 

He is minus about £150 every week.........tell me, what the f**k is the point of that bloke going to work?

 

BUT.......make his life tax free and it changes.....he is a £100 up at the start.......his overtime becomes worth doing.......a second job becomes worth doing.......the more effort he puts in the more he gets.

 

At the moment, it seems the more you do the worse you get punished and that's just wrong.......not everyone is a well educated middle manager type, some people will always fall into that minimum wage bracket and frankly I don't blame any of them for sitting at home on their arse and taking full advantage of a stupid system.......its only common logic imho

[tatsblisters 9,663]

I suppose me and the wife come in that bracket WILF we both work in low paid jobs but because we get monthly pensions we pay more in tax wich pisses me off no end i do not trust labour any more as i know under them we would both be getting rinsed even more.

[WILF 46,789]

I suppose me and the wife come in that bracket WILF we both work in low paid jobs but because we get monthly pensions we pay more in tax wich pisses me off no end i do not trust labour any more as i know under them we would both be getting rinsed even more.

I agree mate, it's just wrong that good people have to work so hard to stand still.

Labour and Tories........I couldn't bring myself to vote for any of those thick c**ts.

[Born Hunter 17,763]

I sort of agree with all that. My only caveats are,

 

How many people that have been responsible have really made a career out of minimum wage jobs? I know loads of lads that are simply straight into work and graft types and they find their way off that bottom rung of the ladder easy enough. Minimum wage jobs are filled by students, people that don't need a higher income and immigrants from poorer countries. Minimum wage jobs are high turn over because they're supposed to be a step up and require no talent. Even having a minimum wage makes climbing further less appealing because that inflated wage is being subsidised by the wages of those in the next steps up.

 

Also, some areas are just going to be too expensive to live. There ain't a person on the planet that I couldn't find a place too expensive for them. Do folks have the right to settle and live where ever they want or at least the place of their birth? Most seem to think so but I prefer to stop tampering with legislation that give folks these 'rights' and just let them move somewhere more prosperous for them. If we allowed local authorities to set their own tax rates then maybe that chap working for pennies in a very expensive area could move somewhere he's more valued and prosper for it.

[tatsblisters 9,663]

Their is valued jobs ln the care sector that only pay minimum wage and a lot of the people that do them money is secondry to why the do an hard under paid job.

[WILF 46,789]

Pretty much agree Born, however, I do beleive that culture is a big part of society and if you create economic nomads then that's not good for a persons personal or an areas social identity.

 

I'll never forgive those b*****ds for making me feel I had no choice but to leave England.......and that wasn't just economic reasons, it was for many and varied reasons.

 

I personally think that people should be able to stay where they were born if that's what they want to do.......areas should not be cleansed by real estate people or government manipulation.

 

We have seen what an influx of economic migrants (who have no love or connection to a place) does to local areas......it destroys that sense of community that imho gos to the heart of people looking after each other with the product of their own hands.

Hope that makes sense.

[Born Hunter 17,763]

Their is valued jobs ln the care sector that only pay minimum wage and a lot of the people that do them money is secondry to why the do an hard under paid job.

 

Mate. Don't take what I'm saying to heart. It doesn't come across well on here and tbh if your mindset is anything close to what is typical of British politics then understanding that what I'm saying isn't meant as a callous attack will be difficult.

 

Your job may be of importance but if there are more people wanting to do it (for whatever reason) than positions available then your value decreases. That's free market economics mate, not my moral opinion.

[Born Hunter 17,763]

Pretty much agree Born, however, I do beleive that culture is a big part of society and if you create economic nomads then that's not good for a persons personal or an areas social identity.

 

I'll never forgive those b*****ds for making me feel I had no choice but to leave England.......and that wasn't just economic reasons, it was for many and varied reasons.

 

I personally think that people should be able to stay where they were born if that's what they want to do.......areas should not be cleansed by real estate people or government manipulation.

 

We have seen what an influx of economic migrants (who have no love or connection to a place) does to local areas......it destroys that sense of community that imho gos to the heart of people looking after each other with the product of their own hands.

Hope that makes sense.

 

That's why I mix my libertarianism with the strong border control and protectionism of nationalism. Otherwise the freedoms, abolition of rights etc that I talk about and that are considered so counter productive by the mainstream of UK political views, I believe would far from wreck culture but enrich it. It would give our villages, town, parishes, counties and country back the responsibility to look out for each other rather than look to the decadent central government to do it for us.

 

It's no surprise you find the strongest communities in the furthest reaches from central government.

Edited May 17, 2017 by Born Hunter

[tatsblisters 9,663]

 

Their is valued jobs ln the care sector that only pay minimum wage and a lot of the people that do them money is secondry to why the do an hard under paid job.

 

Mate. Don't take what I'm saying to heart. It doesn't come across well on here and tbh if your mindset is anything close to what is typical of British politics then understanding that what I'm saying isn't meant as a callous attack will be difficult.

 

Your job may be of importance but if there are more people wanting to do it (for whatever reason) than positions available then your value decreases. That's free market economics mate, not my moral opinion.

 

I agree tbh just jobs in some of the care sector their is not that meny that want the long hours and stressfull some times dangerouse work for mimimum wage.

[Robert hasselhoff 137]

I own a very small business and employ a few staff, i am a working class lad from a council estate background. I used to always pay the staff a pound above minimum wage, now the government has put it up i can't afford to pay over minimum wage now and if labour got in with the four extra bank holidays and the minimum wage being put up to ten pounds an hour it would cost me an extra eighteen grand a year. Now I simply couldn't afford this and would affect the buisness, plus if tax went up then that would be it. I've worked dam hard over the years to get what bit I've got. I am all for people earning a fair days coin for a fair days work. But ten pounds an hour will put a lot of little businesses out of buisness. I also honestly belive there is some lazy useless workshy folk out there that seriously are not worth the ten pounds an hour labour want to pay them.

[DIDO.1 22,732]

Those who call themselves labour are usually those who are happy with an existence, have no aspirations and hate the thought that someone may have far more than them in life but have no drive to do anything about it .Life as we know it would not work if it were not for the wealth divisions.It all filters down ,it just depends on how much of that you want for yourself and that equals work .The different parties in power in my lifetime have proved that the Tories ,with their faults as well ,have been the ones when we were most well off and happy. I think the free vote on hunting though will never happen but just my view.

The vote on Hunting will happen. Cameron said we could have it anytime we wanted but the numbers didn't add up. He even introduced a vote on flushing to guns to see if the SNP would abstain like they had said they would. Cameron was part of a posh hunting set and he was always going to give us the vote the minute it made sense but Teresa may isn't a hunting person and it's taken great courage for her defend hunting when it's not important to her.

If we get the majority needed to win the vote I can assure you the vote will happen quick. Personally I think we should have a new hunting bill with licencing etc....but apparently not, they are going for the full monty.

I'm not a staunch conservative, I agree with those who don't trust em. But on the hunting issue this is our best, if not last chance....we need to give it our best shot...