just-A-snap 1,269 Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 All manifestos are just ward spoken and on paper, from any Political Party. It is The Civil Service that makes it happen. Let me say that once more it is The Civil Service that makes it happen. Without them not dragging their feet in a Billion ways, then good luck. All the best Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,787 Posted May 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 Well, let me throw this in the mix......I don't think the remote possibility of a return to full hunting is a good enough reason to vote for anyone......you just can't overlook the damage they are doing in every other respect. If you want to go hunting then you will, you won't be looking for the state to sanction it imho. I'd like to see a complete withdrawal of support by people not voting en masse. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,763 Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 Well, let me throw this in the mix......I don't think the remote possibility of a return to full hunting is a good enough reason to vote for anyone......you just can't overlook the damage they are doing in every other respect. If you want to go hunting then you will, you won't be looking for the state to sanction it imho. I'd like to see a complete withdrawal of support by people not voting en masse. Unfortunately if you believe that the sort of change needed is never going to happen so long as the system is rigged for perpetuity then you are left to vote based on the only things that are up for grabs and hunting is one of them I believe. I honestly don't know how I'm going to vote so this isn't me backing up my vote just saying it how I see it. The hunting issue is a double sided coin of liberty and livelihood. For folks like us it's just liberty but for others the issue of one of livelihood too. The hunting ban hasn't cost many theirs but another anti government could do. It could also cost some of us our liberty, properly this time. Suppose that the wedge got knocked up a notch or two and they started on shooting and other less well known fieldsports, stuff that wasn't so easily hidden or 'adapted' to new legislation. 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 All manifestos are just ward spoken and on paper, from any Political Party. It is The Civil Service that makes it happen. Let me say that once more it is The Civil Service that makes it happen. Or not... That's the real travesty. The billions spent on incompetence. We can discuss the working benefits of the minimum wage, taxation, etc, but the mastadon in the room is the local authorities, and their cost to value ratio. The amount of money pissed away by the public sector, if accounted for and promptly distributed in the correct fashion, some of it returned to the taxpayer, would revolutionize standards of living, in the UK, IMHO. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DIDO.1 22,721 Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 I wouldn't ever automatically vote for any party. But I have no choice here. Mass immigration, Europe and hunting. Do I trust the Tories....no. but they are they only party that have promised to cut immigration, will do their best for Hunting and are sounding tough on Europe. AND have the best chance they ever have had of doing it. I understand what you mean about public services BUT labour won't give it to you! They will smash Britain to pieces....they have never and never will be able to manage the economy. Labour and the libdems will increase mass migration, they will finish hunting for ever and they will tie us to Europe in a way that can never be undone. We have no option. If conservatives win a big enough majority and they fck up I will join wilf in refusing to vote ever again, I'll let big gay Dave tattoo a giant picture of corbyn on my arm and I'll pay my subs to unite against fascism...But this time you have to support em. If they win but by a small majority we may as well let sturgeon in downing Street, let abbot run immigration and stay in Europe because it will only be possible to get half measures on anything and we will keep heading down the same road. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stealthy1 3,964 Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 Why are folk so fixated with wage increases? Every time wages go up, so does the things you buy, so your no better off, ever. The worst thing that ever happened was the minimum wage, prior to the minimum wage, companies that were after you hard earned didn't know what you earned. The only way to be better off is to make your money go further, that way the supermarkets will have to fight for your custom, and lower their prices. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Squirrel_Basher 17,100 Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 Well, let me throw this in the mix......I don't think the remote possibility of a return to full hunting is a good enough reason to vote for anyone......you just can't overlook the damage they are doing in every other respect. If you want to go hunting then you will, you won't be looking for the state to sanction it imho. I'd like to see a complete withdrawal of support by people not voting en masse. How does it concern you anyway ,you've fecked off therefore have no rights or say here lol. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Squirrel_Basher 17,100 Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 It's beyond me why anyone can't see the reasoning that if the wealthy are doing well ,everyone else benefits. No brainer .Roll on the next Tory government to keep the ball rolling ,f**k the ban just do it . 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ftm 3,357 Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 I cant get my head around why anyone would vote labour whilst that nugget is in charge -for gods sake he sits at same table as ira loves immigrants hates field sports wants to dump trident and is in bed with that inner tube looking abbot 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 I wouldn't ever automatically vote for any party. But I have no choice here. Mass immigration, Europe and hunting. Do I trust the Tories....no. but they are they only party that have promised to cut immigration, will do their best for Hunting and are sounding tough on Europe. AND have the best chance they ever have had of doing it. I understand what you mean about public services BUT labour won't give it to you! They will smash Britain to pieces....they have never and never will be able to manage the economy. Labour and the libdems will increase mass migration, they will finish hunting for ever and they will tie us to Europe in a way that can never be undone. We have no option. If conservatives win a big enough majority and they fck up I will join wilf in refusing to vote ever again, I'll let big gay Dave tattoo a giant picture of corbyn on my arm and I'll pay my subs to unite against fascism...But this time you have to support em. If they win but by a small majority we may as well let sturgeon in downing Street, let abbot run immigration and stay in Europe because it will only be possible to get half measures on anything and we will keep heading down the same road. I'll be holding you to that! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paulnix 426 Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 Will we use the Daily Mirror the bastion of fair and true reporting to judge if they fck it up ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,787 Posted May 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 Well, let me throw this in the mix......I don't think the remote possibility of a return to full hunting is a good enough reason to vote for anyone......you just can't overlook the damage they are doing in every other respect. If you want to go hunting then you will, you won't be looking for the state to sanction it imho. I'd like to see a complete withdrawal of support by people not voting en masse. How does it concern you anyway ,you've fecked off therefore have no rights or say here lol. I'm an immigrant now when I come visit......so I probably have more rights and say than you do.......and the best it is, you pick up the tab! Lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nik_B 3,790 Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 All manifestos are just ward spoken and on paper, from any Political Party. It is The Civil Service that makes it happen. Let me say that once more it is The Civil Service that makes it happen. Or not... That's the real travesty. The billions spent on incompetence. We can discuss the working benefits of the minimum wage, taxation, etc, but the mastadon in the room is the local authorities, and their cost to value ratio. The amount of money pissed away by the public sector, if accounted for and promptly distributed in the correct fashion, some of it returned to the taxpayer, would revolutionize standards of living, in the UK, IMHO. Totally agree with this Some very advanced countries have zero (or extremely low) tax, there have been several studies that show a low tax brings in just as much or more money to the government. Singapore has a tax rate of 11% on the first $,000, it is almost nothing under 40,000 and the highest rate on those earning $320,000 is around 22% weaning the country and state off our huge revenues would be very very hard though. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DIDO.1 22,721 Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 I wouldn't ever automatically vote for any party. But I have no choice here. Mass immigration, Europe and hunting. Do I trust the Tories....no. but they are they only party that have promised to cut immigration, will do their best for Hunting and are sounding tough on Europe. AND have the best chance they ever have had of doing it. I understand what you mean about public services BUT labour won't give it to you! They will smash Britain to pieces....they have never and never will be able to manage the economy. Labour and the libdems will increase mass migration, they will finish hunting for ever and they will tie us to Europe in a way that can never be undone. We have no option. If conservatives win a big enough majority and they fck up I will join wilf in refusing to vote ever again, I'll let big gay Dave tattoo a giant picture of corbyn on my arm and I'll pay my subs to unite against fascism...But this time you have to support em. If they win but by a small majority we may as well let sturgeon in downing Street, let abbot run immigration and stay in Europe because it will only be possible to get half measures on anything and we will keep heading down the same road. I'll be holding you to that! Scary thing is I know I'll be let down and will be held to it! But we still don't have an option 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 It's not all bad pal, we'll have matching tattoos! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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