WILF 47,345 Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 Well, at least Red Jezza has told everyone the truth about what this "free" stuff costs......more tax, MUCH more tax........the Tories are still bullshitting that there is no pain with the current model. No one is going to vote for Jezzas grim reality, but fair play to him for putting it out there in the open! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 20,650 Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 I think jezza just hammered the last nail in his leadership... Fair play to him lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marshman 7,758 Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 I'm not voting none of them represent me or my views f**k voting ! 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 There all a shower of c**ts 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stealthy1 3,964 Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 Labour, they're a joke, move back to the old days of cloth caps and hob nailed boots, share wealth my arse. Its the fat cats tax that pays his wages the two faced t**t. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 20,650 Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 May vs Corbyn Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cragman 2,780 Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 They're all the same and piss in the same pot but the tories are countryside supporters and I spend more time there than anywhere. Not much to base a vote on but there's not much else that appeals to me 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,345 Posted May 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 Two versions of a system that is not working imho........pricks the lot of them. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,263 Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 (edited) He has a nasty habit...... of being right! The Miners’ Strike: Jeremy went against the Labour leadership and fully supported the miners in their effort to prevent the total destruction of their industry and communities. Cabinet papers released last year prove that the NUM were correct to claim that there was a secret hit list of 75 pits which the government were determined to close within 3 years. Ex-mining areas still suffer from the devastating effects of de-industrialisation, particularly high unemployment. Iraq: In the 1970s and 1980s, while the UK and other Western government were selling weapons to their ally Saddam Hussein, Jeremy campaigned and demonstrated against it, as well as protesting against the mass killings of Iraqi Kurds by Saddam’s regime. Talking to Sinn Fein: In the 1980s, along with Tony Benn and other Labour MPs, Jeremy drew intense criticism for engaging in dialogue with Sinn Fein and inviting its representatives to the House of Commons. The government claimed it ‘would not talk to terrorists’ but we now know that by 1989, it was secretly engaged in talks. Sinn Fein has been a major party of the Northern Ireland government since 1998 and even the Queen and Prince Charles have now met with its leading figures. Apartheid: Jeremy was a staunch opponent of the Apartheid regime and a supporter of Nelson Mandela and the ANC. He was even arrested for protesting outside the South African embassy in 1984. Chile: Jeremy was an opponent of the brutal dictator Pinochet (an ally of the British government under Thatcher) and was a leading campaigner in the quest to bring him to justice. In 1998 Pinochet was arrested in London. Tuition fees: Jeremy opposed New Labour’s introduction of university tuition fees, which explicitly broke Labour’s 1997 election manifesto pledge, as well as all of the subsequent increases. Fees were then trebled under New Labour before being trebled again by the coalition government, leaving the average student in £53k of debt. Private Finance Initiative (PFI): Jeremy argued against this method of funding the building of new schools and hospitals, which was used partly because New Labour had committed itself to Tory spending plans. Instead of financing projects through government borrowing, private finance would build the infrastructure and then lease to the government. PFI deals cost the taxpayer £10bn a year and we will end up paying more than £300bn for assets worth just £54.7bn. Afghanistan: Going against the tide of political and public opinion in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, Jeremy opposed the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan in 2001. By 2009, most polls showed a majority of British people were against the war and Britain eventually withdrew its troops in October 2014. Iraq, again: Jeremy saw through the ‘dodgy dossier’, the claims of weapons of mass destruction and campaigned and voted against the Iraq war in 2003. In doing so, he helped to organise the biggest demonstration in British history and remains a leading figure in the Stop the War Coalition. Palestine: Jeremy has been a long-standing campaigner for the rights of the Palestinian people, beginning his advocacy at a time when Western public opinion was largely hostile to the Palestinian cause. Last year parliament overwhelmingly voted to recognise Palestine. Public ownership of the railways: Jeremy has always advocated public ownership of our railways. The argument that privatisation would result in competition and thus lower fares has been proved to be entirely incorrect. Instead not only have fares rocketed year on year but the British taxpayer now subsidies the railways to the tune of £4bn a year, around four times the cost of the previous, publicly owned system. Trident: Jeremy has been a long-term campaigner in CND, and has always opposed Britain having nuclear weapons – a difficult argument to make at the height of the Cold War. But now virtually all the polling evidence shows that a majority of people are against spending £100bn on a new generation of Trident nuclear weapons. Austerity: Right from the beginning Jeremy argued and campaigned against austerity. Despite inheriting a situation where the economy was growing, Osborne’s austerity budgets plunged the UK into a double dip recession in April 2012 and by February 2013 Britain lost its AAA credit rating for the first time since the late 1970s. Five years of austerity later and the UK’s debt has actually risen from £1trn in 2010 to around £1.5trn today. The social cost has been shocking, leading to a rise in child poverty, an unprecedented fall in real wages and nearly 1 million people now reliant on food banks to name but a few of the dire consequences. Edited May 16, 2017 by sandymere 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 20,650 Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 He has a nasty habit...... of being right! The Miners Strike: Jeremy went against the Labour leadership and fully supported the miners in their effort to prevent the total destruction of their industry and communities. Cabinet papers released last year prove that the NUM were correct to claim that there was a secret hit list of 75 pits which the government were determined to close within 3 years. Ex-mining areas still suffer from the devastating effects of de-industrialisation, particularly high unemployment. Iraq: In the 1970s and 1980s, while the UK and other Western government were selling weapons to their ally Saddam Hussein, Jeremy campaigned and demonstrated against it, as well as protesting against the mass killings of Iraqi Kurds by Saddams regime. Talking to Sinn Fein: In the 1980s, along with Tony Benn and other Labour MPs, Jeremy drew intense criticism for engaging in dialogue with Sinn Fein and inviting its representatives to the House of Commons. The government claimed it would not talk to terrorists but we now know that by 1989, it was secretly engaged in talks. Sinn Fein has been a major party of the Northern Ireland government since 1998 and even the Queen and Prince Charles have now met with its leading figures. Apartheid: Jeremy was a staunch opponent of the Apartheid regime and a supporter of Nelson Mandela and the ANC. He was even Chile: Jeremy was an opponent of the brutal dictator Pinochet (an ally of the British government under Thatcher) and was a leading campaigner in the quest to bring him to justice. In 1998 Pinochet was arrested in London. Tuition fees: Jeremy opposed New Labours introduction of university tuition fees, which explicitly broke Labours 1997 election manifesto pledge, as well as all of the subsequent increases. Fees were then trebled under New Labour before being trebled again by the coalition government, leaving the average student in £53k of debt. Private Finance Initiative (PFI): Jeremy argued against this method of funding the building of new schools and hospitals, which was used partly because New Labour had committed itself to Tory spending plans. Instead of financing projects through government borrowing, private finance would build the infrastructure and then lease to the government. PFI deals cost the taxpayer £10bn a year and we will end up paying more than £300bn for assets worth just £54.7bn. Afghanistan: Going against the tide of political and public opinion in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, Jeremy opposed the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan in 2001. By 2009, most polls showed a majority of British people were against the war and Britain eventually withdrew its troops in October 2014. Iraq, again: Jeremy saw through the dodgy dossier, the claims of weapons of mass destruction and campaigned and voted against the Iraq war in 2003. In doing so, he helped to organise the biggest demonstration in British history and remains a leading figure in the Stop the War Coalition. Palestine: Jeremy has been a long-standing campaigner for the rights of the Palestinian people, beginning his advocacy at a time when Western public opinion was largely hostile to the Palestinian cause. Last year parliament overwhelmingly voted to recognise Palestine. Public ownership of the railways: Jeremy has always advocated public ownership of our railways. The argument that privatisation would result in competition and thus lower fares has been proved to be entirely incorrect. Instead not only have fares rocketed year on year but the British taxpayer now subsidies the railways to the tune of £4bn a year, around four times the cost of the previous, publicly owned system. Trident: Jeremy has been a long-term campaigner in CND, and has always opposed Britain having nuclear weapons a difficult argument to make at the height of the Cold War. But now virtually all the polling evidence shows that a majority of people are against spending £100bn on a new generation of Trident nuclear weapons. Austerity: Right from the beginning Jeremy . Despite inheriting a situation where the economy was growing, Osbornes austerity budgets plunged the UK into a double dip recession in April 2012 and by February 2013 Britain lost its AAA credit rating for the first time since the late 1970s. Five years of austerity later and the UKs debt has actually risen from £1trn in 2010 to around £1.5trn today. The social cost has been shocking, leading to a rise in child poverty, an unprecedented fall in real wages and nearly 1 million people now reliant on food banks to name but a few of the dire consequences. jezza is against everything except snowflakes 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jacknife 2,005 Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 He has a nasty habit...... of being right! The Miners Strike: Jeremy went against the Labour leadership and fully supported the miners in their effort to prevent the total destruction of their industry and communities. Cabinet papers released last year prove that the NUM were correct to claim that there was a secret hit list of 75 pits which the government were determined to close within 3 years. Ex-mining areas still suffer from the devastating effects of de-industrialisation, particularly high unemployment. Iraq: In the 1970s and 1980s, while the UK and other Western government were selling weapons to their ally Saddam Hussein, Jeremy campaigned and demonstrated against it, as well as protesting against the mass killings of Iraqi Kurds by Saddams regime. Talking to Sinn Fein: In the 1980s, along with Tony Benn and other Labour MPs, Jeremy drew intense criticism for engaging in dialogue with Sinn Fein and inviting its representatives to the House of Commons. The government claimed it would not talk to terrorists but we now know that by 1989, it was secretly engaged in talks. Sinn Fein has been a major party of the Northern Ireland government since 1998 and even the Queen and Prince Charles have now met with its leading figures. Apartheid: Jeremy was a staunch opponent of the Apartheid regime and a supporter of Nelson Mandela and the ANC. He was even Chile: Jeremy was an opponent of the brutal dictator Pinochet (an ally of the British government under Thatcher) and was a leading campaigner in the quest to bring him to justice. In 1998 Pinochet was arrested in London. Tuition fees: Jeremy opposed New Labours introduction of university tuition fees, which explicitly broke Labours 1997 election manifesto pledge, as well as all of the subsequent increases. Fees were then trebled under New Labour before being trebled again by the coalition government, leaving the average student in £53k of debt. Private Finance Initiative (PFI): Jeremy argued against this method of funding the building of new schools and hospitals, which was used partly because New Labour had committed itself to Tory spending plans. Instead of financing projects through government borrowing, private finance would build the infrastructure and then lease to the government. PFI deals cost the taxpayer £10bn a year and we will end up paying more than £300bn for assets worth just £54.7bn. Afghanistan: Going against the tide of political and public opinion in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, Jeremy opposed the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan in 2001. By 2009, most polls showed a majority of British people were against the war and Britain eventually withdrew its troops in October 2014. Iraq, again: Jeremy saw through the dodgy dossier, the claims of weapons of mass destruction and campaigned and voted against the Iraq war in 2003. In doing so, he helped to organise the biggest demonstration in British history and remains a leading figure in the Stop the War Coalition. Palestine: Jeremy has been a long-standing campaigner for the rights of the Palestinian people, beginning his advocacy at a time when Western public opinion was largely hostile to the Palestinian cause. Last year parliament overwhelmingly voted to recognise Palestine. Public ownership of the railways: Jeremy has always advocated public ownership of our railways. The argument that privatisation would result in competition and thus lower fares has been proved to be entirely incorrect. Instead not only have fares rocketed year on year but the British taxpayer now subsidies the railways to the tune of £4bn a year, around four times the cost of the previous, publicly owned system. Trident: Jeremy has been a long-term campaigner in CND, and has always opposed Britain having nuclear weapons a difficult argument to make at the height of the Cold War. But now virtually all the polling evidence shows that a majority of people are against spending £100bn on a new generation of Trident nuclear weapons. Austerity: Right from the beginning Jeremy . Despite inheriting a situation where the economy was growing, Osbornes austerity budgets plunged the UK into a double dip recession in April 2012 and by February 2013 Britain lost its AAA credit rating for the first time since the late 1970s. Five years of austerity later and the UKs debt has actually risen from £1trn in 2010 to around £1.5trn today. The social cost has been shocking, leading to a rise in child poverty, an unprecedented fall in real wages and nearly 1 million people now reliant on food banks to name but a few of the dire consequences. depends on the person's view Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,345 Posted May 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 AAA credit ratings.......would that be the same AAA credit rating supplied by Moodys, Standard & Poor etc ?.........they would be the same rating agencies who were rating junk bonds as AAA then. South Africa: turning a country that worked into a country that don't work. The "debt" is a conservative £1.7 TRILLION !!........about twice what Osbourne inherited. Who give a f**k about Palestine when you are trying to raise 3 kids in Stockton on Tees !!?? Spot on about Iraq I agree with him on Afghanistan although friends who fought there don't agree with me, they will tell you the job they did on the ground was needed and who am I to argue. The miners strike was as much a power struggle ( where ordinary blokes were just used for the benefit of those at the top) as it was about saving industries...... Nationalised rail......well you can't argue if it is indeed still costing the taxpayer. It's either private and cost taxpayers nothing or its public.......that's logic. Austerity........yep, for the many but not for the few........I don't however think that spending more of your grandchildrens money is the way out of trouble. As Dan Hannan told Gordon Brown, you can't spend your way out of debt. So while I agree that Jezza has many good and noble ideas, I don't think trying to achieve them through a failed model gets us any further down the road.......it just makes things worse. I wonder if any politician ever considered trusting folk with their own money and letting look after them and theirs?.......radical I know !! Lol 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
j j m 6,551 Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 them feckers only line there own pockets Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,783 Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 (edited) Cracking manifesto, seems reasonable, I'm in! Edited May 16, 2017 by Born Hunter 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
arcticgun 4,548 Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 I heard on TV today that it cos the establishment (and therefore the taxpayer) £14 million pounds to keep Ian Brady alive whilst he was in custody, so any potential future Government should take this into mind when asking for our votes even if they trying to be honest about the tax hikes they intend to implement, I'm guessing theres a lot of people who are costing the same rotting away on life sentences, no good too anyone , no hope of being released, so don't vote for any of them whilst they are wasting money like this, and certainly don't allow any more tax hikes as if they have enough money too lash that on one evil scum bag then they already have far too much money I d wager you don't have enough or in most cases wont? Labour are dead barring some mad alliance which in this day and age would no surprise me at all, but an alliance would just go further to show that we just a mess in reality, our politics are all over the shop, we been lied too that much we cant even make a decent decision , its hardy a choice when your faced wih choosing who going o damage you he leas in he long run, its piss poor and unacceptable 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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