The Price Can Not Be Right On This Pup...ffs.. !!!!

[Accip74 7,112]

 

You said why don't people make their own money, instead of out of dogs, but surely it's the same as anyone making money from producing animals, goldfish to horses or healthy dogs? just thought it was a strange comment about how people made their money.......

 

You thought it was strange to hear somebody on a working dog forum saying that purposely breeding poor quality unhealthy show dogs for lots of money is wrong ?

 

Ok well i dont really no what else to say !

No. I took you meant selling any dogs for money? But the fact the remains the same, we both think it's shite....

[downsouth 7,248]

The original post was about a frenchie pup being sold for strong money and straight away people are banging on about unhealthy dogs and cruel puppy farmers.The Girl I mentioned in my earlier post who's making a nice few quid from frenchies has all her dogs health tested and DNA screened and the way her dogs are fed,Housed,Exercised etc and the way in which her pups are reared would put 90% of the so called working dog lads I've met over the years to shame.

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Don't tell Nuttall ffs

[peterhunter86 8,627]

The original post was about a frenchie pup being sold for strong money and straight away people are banging on about unhealthy dogs and cruel puppy farmers.The Girl I mentioned in my earlier post who's making a nice few quid from frenchies has all her dogs health tested and DNA screened and the way her dogs are fed,Housed,Exercised etc and the way in which her pups are reared would put 90% of the so called working dog lads I've met over the years to shame.

 

 

but shes still a peddler.

[ChrisJones 7,975]

Ive had a little bit of experience of inbred suppression only with dogs of extreme athletic prowess and that was a long hard process requiring plenty of patience for everyone who kept the bloodline......another 20 years of similar breeding would have been impossible so to have the same in dogs bred for show i truly believe the dogs will more than likely end up no more and people will be forced to breed away from the source or do a major outcross just to save the breed/s.

Gnash, if you ever get those details on paper I'd love to read more about it. I was curious just how many generations it would take before someone would be culling more than keeping what's viable.

[downsouth 7,248]

 

The original post was about a frenchie pup being sold for strong money and straight away people are banging on about unhealthy dogs and cruel puppy farmers.The Girl I mentioned in my earlier post who's making a nice few quid from frenchies has all her dogs health tested and DNA screened and the way her dogs are fed,Housed,Exercised etc and the way in which her pups are reared would put 90% of the so called working dog lads I've met over the years to shame.

 

 

but shes still a peddler.

And if truth be told if most people on here could get 30/40 grand for a litter of 3 pups they would too.Thing is not many would outlay the initial cash for the dogs to breed from as they don't want to pay 150quid for a terrier pup or spend more than a tenner for a bag of dog grub.

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Because that ain't the way it's done mate and you know it .

[downsouth 7,248]

Because that ain't the way it's done mate and you know it .

If someone wants to breed Pet/show type dogs and cranks are willing to throw ridiculous amounts of money at them for pups as long as the breeders dogs are kept in tip top condition and the pups they're producing are well reared and healthy I can't see the problem.

[ChrisJones 7,975]

If someone wants to breed Pet/show type dogs and cranks are willing to throw ridiculous amounts of money at them for pups as long as the breeders dogs are kept in tip top condition and the pups they're producing are well reared and healthy I can't see the problem.

 

Fair comments, DS, but would you say that animals with genetic intelligence and health problems, due to inbreeding, are well reared and healthy?

 

If someone wants a companion, service, worker, or show animal, no worries but is the lure of the £ fair enough to the cost of the breed?

Edited May 16, 2017 by ChrisJones

[downsouth 7,248]

 

If someone wants to breed Pet/show type dogs and cranks are willing to throw ridiculous amounts of money at them for pups as long as the breeders dogs are kept in tip top condition and the pups they're producing are well reared and healthy I can't see the problem.

Fair comments, DS, but would you say that animals with genetic intelligence and health problems, due to inbreeding, are well reared and healthy?

 

If someone wants a companion, service, worker, or show animal, no worries but is the lure of the £ fair enough to the cost of the breed?

No.But the original post was about a frenchie making big money and I know for a fact that there are people out there breeding very healthy French Bulldogs.Im in no way defending c**ts that are churning out shit and keeping dogs worse than battery hens.

[gnasher16 30,095]

I must admit you surprise me Downsouth ive read some good posts by you on dogs in the past,often thoughts very much the same as my own......and without wishing to offend you i find your relaxed nonchalant approach to something that gets under the skin of most people who have ever worked a dog a little bit bizarre to be honest.... its not a bird whos got you all starry eyed and forgetting yourself is it ?

 

This is a shitty little breed of dog that literally any single mum living in a tower block could breed,let nature do its thing and make an earner from.... it doesnt take any expertise or knowledge and with or without a health certificate these little dogs are f****d and you know it.....im all for people making dough however they need to i just think the puppy peddling racket is a horrible way to scrape a living.

Edited May 16, 2017 by gnasher16

[downsouth 7,248]

Some of them are shit granted and there are some with health problems and some are churned out by complete c**ts bit that doesn't mean to say there isn't people out there breeding healthy examples that can lead a healthy life and do what other breeds can do.one of the most sort after lines of working dogs that is often wrote about on this forum is plagued with certain health issues bit lads seem to ignore the fact because it produces workers.And let's not forget a big percentage of them old bulldog men that you admire were not much more than puppy peddlers who's dogs spent the majority of their life chained to a box and had bitches who's only purpose in life was to produce litter after litter.

[gnasher16 30,095]

Some of them are shit granted and there are some with health problems and some are churned out by complete c**ts bit that doesn't mean to say there isn't people out there breeding healthy examples that can lead a healthy life and do what other breeds can do.one of the most sort after lines of working dogs that is often wrote about on this forum is plagued with certain health issues bit lads seem to ignore the fact because it produces workers.And let's not forget a big percentage of them old bulldog men that you admire were not much more than puppy peddlers who's dogs spent the majority of their life chained to a box and had bitches who's only purpose in life was to produce litter after litter.

Exactly.....most people who have ever worked a dog despise puppy peddlers yet you are giving it the ok because its decent money ?.......sorry i cant compromise like that i dont admire any of them old bulldog men the 1 or 2 bulldog men i do admire have never had dogs on public sale.............my crimes have to fit my morals not my morals fit my crimes

Edited May 17, 2017 by gnasher16

[WILF 46,786]

I am a big believer in animals should have a reason and a purpose and the ability to fulfil that purpose.

Breeding shitty little animals to while away their life getting fat would not float my boat at all......money wouldn't even come into it.

 

My daughters started to do a few shows with my GSPs, fine if that what they want to do I thought becaus wits no good explaining to 15 year old girls......its an innocent enough past time and you have to let them make their own minds up.

 

So, you go and there are thousands of over preened little articles with not a bit of life in them all standing around.

Then, we go out and my GSP bitch who has just matured catches a fox, I have been telling the girls to watch her come on as she has some spark and drive about her, anyway she absolutely leathers the fox and the kids are like "bloody hell!!"

 

Few days later we are sitting at the table and they say "dont think we will do any of those shows any more dad, rather just be out with the dogs"..........and there we have it, they learned it in their own.

 

I also have a young male GSP here who so far is silly as arseholes and ignorant as f**k, if he isn't showing signs of maturity by 2 years old then he is going in a hole and the price of GSP pups won't even cross my mind for a second........and I now know my girls will understand that totally.

 

Just wanted to add that I personally don't really give a shit if anyone breeds and sells dogs as I don't effect me but that don't mean I condone it either.......everyone has to do whatbsits right with them.

Id rather be able to give something decent to a person free of charge and see them enjoy it for what it can do........that would give me more pleasure than selling something.

Edited May 17, 2017 by WILF