forest of dean redneck 11,591 Posted May 15, 2017 Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 They are the fashion statement of the moment, give it five years and the dogs homes will be full of them, a big percentage of them die at birth because of there big heads and little waste line, and if you walk them in the summer they are prone to collapse,what is the point of that, I went in the scrap yard a while back to tip a load and the very effeminate bloke that works there had one sat on the counter, I said to him 30 years ago when I came in here the bloke had a sawn off on the counter and a Rotty on a chain what the feck is happening to the world Used to be long coated big boned alsations lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pesky1972 5,241 Posted May 15, 2017 Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 They are the fashion statement of the moment, give it five years and the dogs homes will be full of them, a big percentage of them die at birth because of there big heads and little waste line, and if you walk them in the summer they are prone to collapse,what is the point of that, I went in the scrap yard a while back to tip a load and the very effeminate bloke that works there had one sat on the counter, I said to him 30 years ago when I came in here the bloke had a sawn off on the counter and a Rotty on a chain what the feck is happening to the world Spot on. Breed a wee lurcher, which is pretty close to what, left alone, nature would design for a dog..., and then let it do what comes natural and chase a hare or a few rabbits and you're the epitome of cruelty to animals. Yet it's totally acceptable to breed in mutations, remove natural attributes of the dog, and introduce a myriad of debilitating conditions and misery for the animal, and people are queuing up to buy that. The world's gone mad. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bird 9,873 Posted May 15, 2017 Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 They are the fashion statement of the moment, give it five years and the dogs homes will be full of them, a big percentage of them die at birth because of there big heads and little waste line, and if you walk them in the summer they are prone to collapse,what is the point of that, I went in the scrap yard a while back to tip a load and the very effeminate bloke that works there had one sat on the counter, I said to him 30 years ago when I came in here the bloke had a sawn off on the counter and a Rotty on a chain what the feck is happening to the world Spot on. Breed a wee lurcher, which is pretty close to what, left alone, nature would design for a dog..., and then let it do what comes natural and chase a hare or a few rabbits and you're the epitome of cruelty to animals. Yet it's totally acceptable to breed in mutations, remove natural attributes of the dog, and introduce a myriad of debilitating conditions and misery for the animal, and people are queuing up to buy that. The world's gone mad. spot on a dog that can function working type dogs, lurchers,gundogs,terriers , apbt , dog that are healthy , and norm sold at sensible price , my last 2 lurchers cost £ 50 and £40 quid lol , thats how it should be not £ 1800 quid for english bulldog and french bulldog , cockerpoos bloody £ 900 quid , ok it prob the healthiest of the 3 above , but it still bloody mongrel =x breed like my lurchers are . 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted May 15, 2017 Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 Fact is the price is actually a big part of why folk want them. They want to be able to brag about how much they spunked on an ugly mutt at the school gates and all over Facebook 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 28,417 Posted May 15, 2017 Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 Fact is the price is actually a big part of why folk want them. They want to be able to brag about how much they spunked on an ugly mutt at the school gates and all over Facebook your dead right trouble is it won't even keep the baliff,s out when you can't pay the loan back, unlike a proper dog 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
decky 79 Posted May 15, 2017 Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 IT WILL BE STOLE IN THE MORNING FOR THAT PRICE LOL. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted May 15, 2017 Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 Genuine question. With the amount of inbreeding, in pedigree dogs, how likely is it that we could see the complete end of certain breeds? Could it be possible for us to selectively breed these animals out of existence based on aesthetics alone? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 28,417 Posted May 15, 2017 Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 Genuine question. With the amount of inbreeding, in pedigree dogs, how likely is it that we could see the complete end of certain breeds? Could it be possible for us to selectively breed these animals out of existence based on aesthetics alone? I think the German Shepard in England is almost done with a hip complaint, the British bulldog can't be far behind, the last person I knew that owned one it cost a fortune to buy a fortune at the vets and was dead and buried by the age of three, dogs should be bred because there good at there job not because they look good in a pink duffle coat, or make an 8stone beastie boy look tough, but hey I,m an old fecker and the world went mad about twenty years ago for me so what do I know 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted May 15, 2017 Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 I think the German Shepard in England is almost done with a hip complaint, the British bulldog can't be far behind, the last person I knew that owned one it cost a fortune to buy a fortune at the vets and was dead and buried by the age of three, dogs should be bred because there good at there job not because they look good in a pink duffle coat, or make an 8stone beastie boy look tough, but hey I,m an old fecker and the world went mad about twenty years ago for me so what do I know Totally agree, Greyman, but difference between a working breed and a show breed is that one has to look a certain way which means the gene pool is smaller to keep breeding closer related animals for aesthetics. Working breeds are for other characteristics but when you start keeping those characteristics and certain looks, you start to decrease the biodiversity in the gene pool. You end up with health problems and lower intelligence. I think it's a f****d up time when you shell out the kind of money that these people do, and then have to have a certificate with them to say that they've cleared of certain medical conditions. Shelters over here are filled with pits and chihuahuas. Dogs that have been bred for profit and to fill a demand in the market. Many of them have health and behavioural problems which is why they're there. Personally I'd like to see a return of something similar to the dog license. A f***ing huge tax on these breeders with an exemption in the law that has the money going to fund the shelters that they're so keen on keeping at bursting point. We evolved alongside the canis familiaris... there has to be a duty of care in there at some point. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neems 2,406 Posted May 15, 2017 Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 Shelters encourage people to buy more pups they won't look after,like a safety net for retards. Imo banning shelters and forcing people to either sell/give away their dogs or put them down if they can't look after them would reduce the problem hugely. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel cain 45,268 Posted May 15, 2017 Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 Lads up by me making 100,000 plus a yr selling them french bulldogs and other bits and bobs....alot easier than the gardening they all used to do lol-fools and their money...atb dc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
downsouth 7,248 Posted May 15, 2017 Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 A very good friend of mine has just had a litter of 3 frenchies.She sold a chocolate and tan dog and bitch to America for 8500 and 6500 and has turned down 25000 for the lilac and tan dog.She has the full sister to the Dam due to drop in the next week or so to the same stud dog. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted May 15, 2017 Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 Those puppy farmers really know what they're doing, with the small litter size of frenchies and all the different colours they should hold their price for a bit longer than other breeds. Folk will still end up with a load of brood stock that's worth feck all eventually though, I've seen it happen so many times in other animals when breeding them became a get rich quick scheme, eventually you hit critical mass of breeders and no one can shift any of the offspring. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
forest of dean redneck 11,591 Posted May 15, 2017 Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 Those puppy farmers really know what they're doing, with the small litter size of frenchies and all the different colours they should hold their price for a bit longer than other breeds. Folk will still end up with a load of brood stock that's worth feck all eventually though, I've seen it happen so many times in other animals when breeding them became a get rich quick scheme, eventually you hit critical mass of breeders and no one can shift any of the offspring. Lot of the reptiles and small exotic furries go that way.the new must have pet comes along. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted May 15, 2017 Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 Those puppy farmers really know what they're doing, with the small litter size of frenchies and all the different colours they should hold their price for a bit longer than other breeds. Folk will still end up with a load of brood stock that's worth feck all eventually though, I've seen it happen so many times in other animals when breeding them became a get rich quick scheme, eventually you hit critical mass of breeders and no one can shift any of the offspring. Lot of the reptiles and small exotic furries go that way.the new must have pet comes along. Yep I made a fair bit of cash on the Royal Python morphs a good few years ago when albinos and pieds were selling for thousands. Luckily got out long before the massive crash in the market that happened recently, knew some folk left with collections they had paid 10s of thousands for that they could hardly give away The problem is everyone that buys a puppy (or hatchling or whatever) has the plan to breed or stud out to make their money back and eventually you just end up with a totally over saturated market. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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