Tommy Robinson How Is He Viewed In Britain At The Moment

[Born Hunter 17,751]

Just now, ChrisJones said:

I was just about to post... CATO Institute: "Hate Speech" Laws Undermine Free Speech And Equality.

Not that i need to tell you but there's a very good reason it's your first right. Together with democracy the two are symbiotic and dependent.

Arguments that some political opinions/ideologies should be rightly intolerable in liberal democracy IMO fly in the face of the very concept. If something is so intolerable to society then it will be expelled in the public forum with the weapon of free speech. If it's labelled by the establishment as intolerable but is not so easily vanquished then if you are at all a proponent of democracy you have to ask if the ideology/opinion is truly against the will of the people (intolerable). You have to re-evaluate if the term 'intolerable' is just and what certain groups, perhaps establishment groups, want to achieve by restricting the most fundamental freedom in a liberal democracy...

[Born Hunter 17,751]

10 minutes ago, sandymere said:

 

 

Hence we arrive at

“Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.”  (Karl Popper in 1945.)

But Nazi's aren't taking over and expelling the tolerant. They won't take over either so long as we, as a society, can have reasoned debate in the public forum. THAT is the virtue of free speech.

As things stand, all shades of Right are using the attack of their freedom of speech to actually appear liberal ffs! The modern liberals and their new type of fascism are literally making f***ing Nazi's the bastion of classical liberalism!

 

PS, for all the moderate Right reading this. I'm not accusing everyone protesting their freedom of speech etc as being Nazis. I am a strong proponent of free speech!

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Whats' lost on many here is that all we want is our country back and f**k any law that stands in the way .Quoting shit dont' change anything,it's people and numbers that matter and f**k any government that says no to the people .We have been nice ,very nice and where has that got us .Change is coming and f**k anyone who gets in the way  .You have had your time for words but no one listened .The voice of change is far bigger than one man and will grow until it is   heard. 

Oh Tommy Tommy ,Tommy Tommy Tommy Tommy Robinson .

Who's streets ,our streets .

[ChrisJones 7,975]

14 minutes ago, sandymere said:

Hence we arrive at

“Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.”  (Karl Popper in 1945.)

~ Thomas Jefferson, 1787

[some bloke 60]

38 minutes ago, sandymere said:

I am the tolerant and I challenge the intolerant................

 

Says it all really........

This deluded bloke probably thinks he's being helpfull and clever

[ChrisJones 7,975]

18 minutes ago, some bloke said:

This deluded bloke probably thinks he's being helpfull and clever

Out of curiosity. Does he think he would be allowed to prosper in the regime he is saluting?

[sandymere 8,263]

Basically the developing view outside of the right wing echo chamber

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/tommy-robinson-free-protest-nazi-salutes-london-violence-police-arrests-attacks-prison-a8393566.html?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1528730757

 

[WILF 46,572]

You are all taking a picture at face value, I wave to people like that all the time......if I got snapped doing it and someone then wrote a caption about “Nazi....blah, blah, blah” you would think I was too......but the fact is I was waving at a bloke cutting his silage !

Come on lads, you are more clever than this!

[Born Hunter 17,751]

3 minutes ago, ChrisJones said:

Out of curiosity. Does he think he would be allowed to prosper in the regime he is saluting?

Im not convinced he wasnt waving to someone when his back went, leaving him rigid daring not move. Just look at his expression.

[ChrisJones 7,975]

2 minutes ago, sandymere said:

Basically the developing view outside of the right wing echo chamber

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/tommy-robinson-free-protest-nazi-salutes-london-violence-police-arrests-attacks-prison-a8393566.html?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1528730757

 

" In London, nine men were arrested after protesters attacked police with metal crowd barriers, road signs and missiles, injuring five officers. "

" Robinson's supporters repeatedly tried to break through barriers to attack counter-protesters before turning on police."

That's not freedom of speech.

[Born Hunter 17,751]

1 minute ago, WILF said:

You are all taking a picture at face value, I wave to people like that all the time......if I got snapped doing it and someone then wrote a caption about “Nazi....blah, blah, blah” you would think I was too......but the fact is I was waving at a bloke cutting his silage !

Come on lads, you are more clever than this!

Its just an utter non issue to me mate. Extremists clutch on to more mainstream movements every single time one crops up. Whether he is or isn't is neither here nor there and thinking it is is either ignorant or negligent.

It's just more of the same from the modern liberal Left.

[Chid 6,489]

4 minutes ago, WILF said:

You are all taking a picture at face value, I wave to people like that all the time......if I got snapped doing it and someone then wrote a caption about “Nazi....blah, blah, blah” you would think I was too......but the fact is I was waving at a bloke cutting his silage !

Come on lads, you are more clever than this!

That’s how I wave to

[Born Hunter 17,751]

2 minutes ago, ChrisJones said:

" In London, nine men were arrested after protesters attacked police with metal crowd barriers, road signs and missiles, injuring five officers. "

" Robinson's supporters repeatedly tried to break through barriers to attack counter-protesters before turning on police."

That's not freedom of speech.

Yeah but but free speech encourages and normalises this. Look at this study that proves violent hate crime rises when you let these nasty right wingers talk publicly.

Ban em all!

 

f***ing yawn.

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

There' some thick f****rs  in the world .So because he's  at a march to free Tommy he' a supporter lol .Tommy left the EDL for that reason ffs .Every march with a chance of sticking the boot in attracts these folks .The majority by far were hard working folk fed up with the state of the country. To spout  this bollocks puts your on a par with the very structure we oppose .

[ChrisJones 7,975]

2 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

Im not convinced he wasnt waving to someone when his back went, leaving him rigid daring not move. Just look at his expression.

That's entirely possible and I could be mistaken but the video in Sandy's independent link isn't a depiction of waving.