Do Politicians Understand Politics?

[ChrisJones 7,975]

A fair point Chris but what is the incentive for them to do what is right?

 

Which politician would win out of one with a sensible 20 year plan or the one who promises free cash for all and to hell with the future....what do they say again? people get the government they deserve.

 

I would like to see laws in place to prevent over spending/borrowing in the bad times and force them to put money in to a war chest during the good

Incentive? Currently there isn't one, mainly due to public apathy, IMO. There's no incentive because there's little to no accountability. Working in the private sector I'm pretty heavily scrutinized. If I don't perform my duties to at least a minimally accepted standard, I'm reprimanded to the point of termination. If I worked in McDonalds and failed to perform my duties as a fries specialist I'd be removed from the position. Politicians, and a lot of public sector workers while we're on it, don't have that risk, or even a scrap of that accountability.

 

If you enjoy your job you'll generally do it to the best of your abilities, regardless of minimum requirements. What does that say about our public sector?

 

Personally I don't think we need more laws we need more accountability and once again that begins and ends with a politically active voter base. That doesn't cost us anything other than our time. Kids need to be taught how to analyze and think critically while they're in school, and then maybe this cycle of public sector shenanigans can be confined to history.

[ChrisJones 7,975]

The economy is basically a giant Ponzi scheme......governments are spending the money of future investors.

It's simple really, they worked out that since human being will continue to be born then of course they will keep paying in........unfortunately they are even spending more than that so that all we are doing is servicing the debt.

 

Libertarians. Quietly taking over the world to leave you the f**k alone!

[Born Hunter 17,791]

Chris you have written so much sense there the vast majority of Brits wouldn't be able to understand it. A paradigm shift of 180 degrees to the dominant political thinking of this place.

 

The whole thing needs flattening and starting from scratch.

[arcticgun 4,548]

they always harking on about spending more and more each and everyone of em, nobody ever suggest streamlining the enormous amount they already rake in, does anyone seriously believe that there is a short fall of money, theres that much and a surplus that they can allow there American pals companies huge ones mind too trade here tax free,, likely in return for preferential stocks shares and future career prospects once the main free ride is over, always happy enough to change the existing laws to allow new found friends too flourish, the working people of this country cough up a handsome amount daily in tax and not just income based tax either, far more than the rich are forced to contribute from their far larger pots, if we where truly that destitute they would force the americans and the rich too pay even just their fair share inline with what the rets of us pay, cos they don't do or need to do this then it makes it hard too accept there isn't enough, in fact knowing what we do about them does it take much too imagine they simply waste what they have, fail to make the best use of it and continually blame anyone but themselves which is ridiculous as they are in charge,

 

hand the income too say Richard branson or anyone who self made and worked hard for it and Id say they would manage it far more effectively than a bunch of people who have never lived in the same reality as the rest of us, ie the real world, even the ones amongst them that have worked their way up from nowt would rather toe the line and stay on thoer side of the fence cos they know our end stinks

 

Take the NHS needs more money? no it needs less managers, less red tape, less directors, less chairmen, less paperwork, only thing it needs more of is nurses and junior doctors and maybe some real effective security too keep them all safe,

 

The Army was reported whilst at war to be underequipped and needing more money, if that was th case wtf they doing sending them too such pointless wars , we where nevr under attack so why risk the lives, no again its les there was plenty they simply lied too take more off us

 

Wilf right just a huge Ponzi scheme

[ChrisJones 7,975]

Chris you have written so much sense there the vast majority of Brits wouldn't be able to understand it. A paradigm shift of 180 degrees to the dominant political thinking of this place.

 

The whole thing needs flattening and starting from scratch.

 

Can't argue with that, mate, and while I can feel WILF's eyes rolling in his head ( ) the optimist in me believes that if we can find common ground, on what is essentially a hunting forum with right wing political leaning, we're far from being unable to change things. We can't just accept polarisation and finger pointing. We have to agree that we're never going to be in 100% on anything but we can still compromise in a way that is mutually beneficial.

 

I am a realist though. It's certainly not going to happen over night and may it not occur in my lifetime but if we can take one thing away from all of this is that we need to observant of who we hire to manage our affairs. We need to send the average MP a reminder that he works for us, and restore the importance of accountability.

[WILF 47,354]

The only bit of light I see over the last couple of years is that lads who would have had VERY different view points and been absolute political enemies 20 years ago are finding a lot of common ground.....they have come to realise that each other are not the enemy, we are all equally getting f****d in the arse.

They may differ in opinions about how you go about improving things but as a collective they don't feel very comfortable about the way thing currently are.

That can only be a good thing, it's a quiet movement but hopefully in the span of years it will become a juggernaut !

The world will turn boys.......

[WILF 47,354]

Double post

Edited May 11, 2017 by WILF

[ChrisJones 7,975]

The only bit of light I see over the last couple of years is that lads who would have had VERY different view points and been absolute political enemies 20 years ago are finding a lot of common ground.....they have come to realise that each other are not the enemy, we are all equally getting f****d in the arse.

They may differ in opinions about how you go about improving things but as a collective they don't feel very comfortable about the way thing currently are.

That can only be a good thing, it's a quiet movement but hopefully in the span of years it will become a juggernaut !

The world will turn boys.......

 

It's a wonderful feeling isn't it?!

 

Is your armour of cynicism starting to crack?!

[WILF 47,354]

 

The only bit of light I see over the last couple of years is that lads who would have had VERY different view points and been absolute political enemies 20 years ago are finding a lot of common ground.....they have come to realise that each other are not the enemy, we are all equally getting f****d in the arse.

They may differ in opinions about how you go about improving things but as a collective they don't feel very comfortable about the way thing currently are.

That can only be a good thing, it's a quiet movement but hopefully in the span of years it will become a juggernaut !

The world will turn boys.......

 

It's a wonderful feeling isn't it?!

 

Is your armour of cynicism starting to crack?!

Afraid not mate, still way too many people who can't see beyond the end of their nose........on the 8th of June god knows how many million people will go out and vote for 2 parties who have been getting it wrong for so long they don't know how to get it right.......don't really inspire confidence in your fellow man does it lol Edited May 11, 2017 by WILF

[ChrisJones 7,975]

Afraid not mate, still way too many people who can't see beyond the end of their nose........on the 8th of June god knows how many million people will go out and vote for 2 parties who have been getting it wrong for so long they don't know how to get it right.......don't really inspire confidence in your fellow man does it lol

We're at the bottom rung, and it's a long way up, but these little slivers of light in the darkness really does inspire confidence... to me at least!

[beast 1,884]

I will never forgive Brown (or labour) for selling half of our countries gold reserves at a riduculas price.

 

yes, and it was when gold was at its lowest price for decades!!

[beast 1,884]

i think we all agree that the system is wrong, but it is system we are trapped in and i wonder how we get out of it?

[WILF 47,354]

i think we all agree that the system is wrong, but it is system we are trapped in and i wonder how we get out of it?

 

My solution was to remove myself from it.......it was that or live with it and I couldn't do that for another second if my life. Edited May 11, 2017 by WILF

[ChrisJones 7,975]

i think we all agree that the system is wrong, but it is system we are trapped in and i wonder how we get out of it?

 

Address the enemy within... Apathy. Teach anyone that will listen, your kids especially, the value of analyzing and critical thinking.

 

My solution was to remove myself from it.......it was that or live with it and I couldn't do that for another second if my life.

 

Same. I'm now in a system that I feel represents my interests.

[beast 1,884]

removing yourself from the system is fine and i understand that and would do so myself if i had the means, but that doesnt change the system for the rest of us. teaching then power of free thought is what any parent should do for their children, but that in itself doesnt change anything. how do we create an alternative? at present we have a process where an mp can be elected by just one voter if everybody else boycotts the election. as we have seen in the past, any parties which might aspire to representing any kind of populist vote are quickly destabilised and brushed away