Saluki Greyhounds

[Shaddy93 840]

 

Listen I think we're all going off subject abit the thread was put up asking about a fixing dog and my argument is a pure bred saluki doesn't compare to a good racey bull greyhound fact

you know deep down inside your a secret saluki lover I bet you've got a few pictures of them hiding some where

Haha you know mate! I ant got a pr Been with anything with saluki in it infact I like something with a dash of saluki in it but Iv seen enough run to know there not my choice of a single handed foxing dog lol

[Berserker 0]

I often hear about the stamina of Salukis and Saluki types. Do they keep this stamina if not worked regularly? Is it something that's just in them. Obviously the more work they see the fitter they get but on a whole do they hold their fitness?

[Shaddy93 840]

 

 

 

 

if my only interests where fox and from what Ive seen too date Id go for a coursing dog that liked em or a coursing dog x saluki bull grey type, I pretty sire bred out right gear Id do ok with that type, well built dog pup would be my choice

 

great and not durable no good to me, seems a waste and needs breeding too improve durability, where as enough saluki will give that extra stamina durability, desire, drive, feet, which can never go a miss imho

 

But I'm not understanding why the saluki still? Why and how would it be better than a racey bull greyhound?? From personal experience a fox should be turned no more than 4 maybe 5 times at the max that's with an experienced dog, stamina is not needed for a run on a fox imo, before the ban on more than one occasion I have ran a bull greyhound on a fox caught it killed it by the time iv got to them iv put the dog on the slip and got into the next field bang same again, iv gone out before ran a fox at 10pm caught and killed it walked for miles having runs in between and then caught another fox at the end of the night after several good runs and miles of walking so why would a pure saluki be better than a bull grey? Especially how they don't exactly turn on the spot like a beddy whippet I'm not saying bull greys can either but they can turn better than a pure saluki surely

I never once stated a pure saluki was a better fox dog, in fact read again I stated a saluki bull greyhound was better, better still a coursing cross saluki bull grey, why stamina, wel I need something that can go on what comes up not just a fox straight out the motor window lol fact is the bull greyhound lacks stamina and decent feet, wont last all night , bar ambushed on the lamp at close range Id imagine most get away ,

 

turn on the spot, most bull grey have the turning circle of the ark royale, give over yourself lol saluki course hares and they turn a bit more than most deer foxes rabbits etc lus to turn it even four of five times you have to get there in the first instance, unless your using a motor , that's where the stamina might just come in handy as well as durability,

 

likesay being that you been 'told' of a bull grey that killed six red stags in two days, weather on the lamp or daytime I'm hardly lightly too convince you of anything at all not that is my intention, makes you wonder why so many have moved onto saluki bull greys, (yourself included) , the mind boggles

Saluki's are used for hare coursing because of there stamina yes but there used in very large open fields that are flat and have no hedges usually, the fact you think bull greyhounds need a full field to turn makes me think your categorising the bullgreyhound a half cross type dog my dog and other bull crosses iv had and seen wipe the floor with rabbits, I know true coursing men 'chalky and the boys' and I know lads in that group that wouldn't ever want there dog to touch a fox they certainly don't class them as fox dogs

of course they wouldn't want the dog on a fox they don't hunt them, so your point is? am I supposed to be impressed that you know some lads on chalkies site? oh I wish I did lol and I never said bull grey needs a field to turn I just said salukis and saluki crosses turn better in general, and Id be seriously worried if a lurcher couldn't handle rabbits so again your point is what?

 

I agree that the pure saluki is not the ultimate fox dog, Ive stated what I think is better, you yourself admit you currently run bull grey with some saluki in it yes? well why do you do that if the bull greyhounds you bred could do everything, ncluding six reds in two days, why add saluki into the mix and make them weaker and squeakier?

So you keep going on about these 6 reds your boring mate I sent a screen shot of what you said to my mate and he said the exact same as I'm thinking which I won't repeat on here, yes my current dog has a dash of saluki in him way back through the lines which has more than likely been bred out of him by now, iv watched pure Salukis iv watched saluki greyhounds over Melton Mowbray run the hares and the deer pre ban and iv seen more bad than I have good and I know the dogs were bred right and baught on correctly iv seen them do things even a bad bull cross will do, for example course a hare but refuse to pick it up just chase it for aslong as it can, and let off the odd bark, I have not once said that I think adding abit of saluki in the mix is a bad thing, all i am saying is a pure saluki is not a better choice for a foxing dog than a bull greyhound

[ginger beard 4,652]

 

 

if my only interests where fox and from what Ive seen too date Id go for a coursing dog that liked em or a coursing dog x saluki bull grey type, I pretty sire bred out right gear Id do ok with that type, well built dog pup would be my choice

 

great and not durable no good to me, seems a waste and needs breeding too improve durability, where as enough saluki will give that extra stamina durability, desire, drive, feet, which can never go a miss imho

But I'm not understanding why the saluki still? Why and how would it be better than a racey bull greyhound?? From personal experience a fox should be turned no more than 4 maybe 5 times at the max that's with an experienced dog, stamina is not needed for a run on a fox imo, before the ban on more than one occasion I have ran a bull greyhound on a fox caught it killed it by the time iv got to them iv put the dog on the slip and got into the next field bang same again, iv gone out before ran a fox at 10pm caught and killed it walked for miles having runs in between and then caught another fox at the end of the night after several good runs and miles of walking so why would a pure saluki be better than a bull grey? Especially how they don't exactly turn on the spot like a beddy whippet I'm not saying bull greys can either but they can turn better than a pure saluki surely

 

I never once stated a pure saluki was a better fox dog, in fact read again I stated a saluki bull greyhound was better, better still a coursing cross saluki bull grey, why stamina, wel I need something that can go on what comes up not just a fox straight out the motor window lol fact is the bull greyhound lacks stamina and decent feet, wont last all night , bar ambushed on the lamp at close range Id imagine most get away ,

 

turn on the spot, most bull grey have the turning circle of the ark royale, give over yourself lol saluki course hares and they turn a bit more than most deer foxes rabbits etc lus to turn it even four of five times you have to get there in the first instance, unless your using a motor , that's where the stamina might just come in handy as well as durability,

 

likesay being that you been 'told' of a bull grey that killed six red stags in two days, weather on the lamp or daytime I'm hardly lightly too convince you of anything at all not that is my intention, makes you wonder why so many have moved onto saluki bull greys, (yourself included) , the mind boggles

 

agree about adding saluki for stamina but how do you know that the pup somebody picks from a litter will inherit the saluki stamina and not the bull or greys.?it's a lottery with x breeds.some win,some lose.

[desertbred 5,490]

Same with any breed some can cut it some cant but at least you have a good idea whats coming, X breds can vary even in size range colours confirmation etc even in the same litter the more breeds added the bigger the variation if youput to much water in the milk you end up with coloured water.

Edited May 11, 2017 by desertbred

[ginger beard 4,652]

Same with any breed some can cut it some cant but at least you have a good idea whats coming, x breds can vary even in size range colours confirmation etc even in the samelitterthe more breeds added the biggerthevariationput to much waterin the milk you end up with coloured water.

yeah,all good in theory in it but i would think the less breeds in it the better.

[desertbred 5,490]

What theory? pure bred stock litters come out pretty uniform except for capability thats down to luck and right owner ,training and entering. X bred the clue is in the name x ,so variations in all aspects can be expected unless a very tight line breed is adhered to for years, then certain things can be enhanced or minamalised by selective breeding. There are no written guarantees in the dog game as to capabilities.

Edited May 11, 2017 by desertbred

[roybo 2,873]

 

Same with any breed some can cut it some cant but at least you have a good idea whats coming, x breds can vary even in size range colours confirmation etc even in the samelitterthe more breeds added the biggerthevariationput to much waterin the milk you end up with coloured water.

 

yeah,all good in theory in it but i would think the less breeds in it the better.

depends if the cross has all that the breeder wants.

Some times adding a little something else tweaks it just enough

[desertbred 5,490]

" I sent a screen shot of what you said to my mate and he said the exact same as I'm thinking which I won't repeat on here, " Priceless are you getting this R***

Edited May 11, 2017 by desertbred

[ginger beard 4,652]

What theory? pure bred stock litters come out pretty uniform except for capability thats down to luck and right owner ,training and entering. X bred the clue is in the name x ,so variations in all aspects can be expected unless a very tight line breed is adhered to for years, then certain things can be enhanced or minamalised by selective breeding. There are no written guarantees in the dog game as to capabilities.

think we agree.

[Berserker 0]

With these pure bred Salukis, what are they like for stock breaking and training in general?whats their temperament like? Reading some posts on here a pure bred Saluki is all that's required.

[low plains drifter 10,327]

I often hear about the stamina of Salukis and Saluki types. Do they keep this stamina if not worked regularly? Is it something that's just in them. Obviously the more work they see the fitter they get but on a whole do they hold their fitness?

They're like any other athlete in that they need a quality diet and regular exercise, they've got the right type of muscles and hearts to enable them to handle hard runs with a minimal recovery time

[arcticgun 4,548]

" I sent a screen shot of what you said to my mate and he said the exact same as I'm thinking which I won't repeat on here, " Priceless are you getting this R***

well that's me told innit just

[arcticgun 4,548]

 

 

 

 

 

if my only interests where fox and from what Ive seen too date Id go for a coursing dog that liked em or a coursing dog x saluki bull grey type, I pretty sire bred out right gear Id do ok with that type, well built dog pup would be my choice

 

great and not durable no good to me, seems a waste and needs breeding too improve durability, where as enough saluki will give that extra stamina durability, desire, drive, feet, which can never go a miss imho

But I'm not understanding why the saluki still? Why and how would it be better than a racey bull greyhound?? From personal experience a fox should be turned no more than 4 maybe 5 times at the max that's with an experienced dog, stamina is not needed for a run on a fox imo, before the ban on more than one occasion I have ran a bull greyhound on a fox caught it killed it by the time iv got to them iv put the dog on the slip and got into the next field bang same again, iv gone out before ran a fox at 10pm caught and killed it walked for miles having runs in between and then caught another fox at the end of the night after several good runs and miles of walking so why would a pure saluki be better than a bull grey? Especially how they don't exactly turn on the spot like a beddy whippet I'm not saying bull greys can either but they can turn better than a pure saluki surely

I never once stated a pure saluki was a better fox dog, in fact read again I stated a saluki bull greyhound was better, better still a coursing cross saluki bull grey, why stamina, wel I need something that can go on what comes up not just a fox straight out the motor window lol fact is the bull greyhound lacks stamina and decent feet, wont last all night , bar ambushed on the lamp at close range Id imagine most get away ,

 

turn on the spot, most bull grey have the turning circle of the ark royale, give over yourself lol saluki course hares and they turn a bit more than most deer foxes rabbits etc lus to turn it even four of five times you have to get there in the first instance, unless your using a motor , that's where the stamina might just come in handy as well as durability,

 

likesay being that you been 'told' of a bull grey that killed six red stags in two days, weather on the lamp or daytime I'm hardly lightly too convince you of anything at all not that is my intention, makes you wonder why so many have moved onto saluki bull greys, (yourself included) , the mind boggles

Saluki's are used for hare coursing because of there stamina yes but there used in very large open fields that are flat and have no hedges usually, the fact you think bull greyhounds need a full field to turn makes me think your categorising the bullgreyhound a half cross type dog my dog and other bull crosses iv had and seen wipe the floor with rabbits, I know true coursing men 'chalky and the boys' and I know lads in that group that wouldn't ever want there dog to touch a fox they certainly don't class them as fox dogs

of course they wouldn't want the dog on a fox they don't hunt them, so your point is? am I supposed to be impressed that you know some lads on chalkies site? oh I wish I did lol and I never said bull grey needs a field to turn I just said salukis and saluki crosses turn better in general, and Id be seriously worried if a lurcher couldn't handle rabbits so again your point is what?

 

I agree that the pure saluki is not the ultimate fox dog, Ive stated what I think is better, you yourself admit you currently run bull grey with some saluki in it yes? well why do you do that if the bull greyhounds you bred could do everything, ncluding six reds in two days, why add saluki into the mix and make them weaker and squeakier?

So you keep going on about these 6 reds your boring mate I sent a screen shot of what you said to my mate and he said the exact same as I'm thinking which I won't repeat on here, yes my current dog has a dash of saluki in him way back through the lines which has more than likely been bred out of him by now, iv watched pure Salukis iv watched saluki greyhounds over Melton Mowbray run the hares and the deer pre ban and iv seen more bad than I have good and I know the dogs were bred right and baught on correctly iv seen them do things even a bad bull cross will do, for example course a hare but refuse to pick it up just chase it for aslong as it can, and let off the odd bark, I have not once said that I think adding abit of saluki in the mix is a bad thing, all i am saying is a pure saluki is not a better choice for a foxing dog than a bull greyhound

 

show me where I said a pure saluki was the better dog for fox? I haven't lol , all I said that some will and do, I also conceded that some bull greyhounds also do, but don't tell me some of them don't jib as well, we going around in circles and I'm not really trying to convince you of anything, I was adding to the discussion, and going an alternative view, I mention the reds simply because its an awesome feat for any dog, but theres already threads about that.

 

I'm sure your pals agree with you, after all they tod you that they had done it, they hardly going to admit they been telling lies cause I happen not to agree that it happened now are they?

[Shaddy93 840]

 

" I sent a screen shot of what you said to my mate and he said the exact same as I'm thinking which I won't repeat on here, " Priceless are you getting this R***

 

well that's me told innit just

Yawn... same old same old, middle aged men running there mouths whilst sat behind there computer grow up mate I may be young likenyou state but I proberly do more than you with the dogs