Saluki Greyhounds

[Shaddy93 840]

 

 

 

if your a man who has managed to get a dog too do that then you will understand where I'm coming from next then, 99.9% of any type of dog or cross could not manage to do that, so type breeding lines etc don't really come into it, that's dwn too an exceptionally motivated owner and a class dog, a real one off,

 

To be fair allrounder is a massive tag, for me it a dog that will over several seasons go too all the main types of lurcher quarry both day and night and have a genuine go , catching some loosing others, many breeds crosses can excel at that sort of graft, specialist dogs for certain quarry again its down too good well bred stuff and right owner, one off individual hounds with dedicated obsessed owners

 

When you say bull x do you mean bull x grey or saluki bull grey hound? Id imagine the saluki bullgreyhound is superior especially on the day, fighting with a fox isn't exactly an act of bravery for a fully fit lurcher, don't get me wrong many of all breeds don't like it, and most would have a stop point, but good owners know that and work around it,

 

there is no one easy answer with dogs on any type for any type of game

 

The dog in question is a dog I bred myself a 3/8 5/8 dog, and it is true i know the lad that had the dog and I know the lad that went with him and seen it with his own eyes, if I'm lieing I won't wake up in the morning.

so it was a bull grey with no saluki in it at all and it took them daytime or on the lamp? you'll wake up either way in the morning I reckon truth or not, the thing is we back too the old my mate seen it and told me, so you haven't actually seen it, so you really don't know for certain,, now I'm 100% certain it can be done, but it weren't no bull greyhound stood over it, mind it weren't a pure saluki either

deerhound/greyhound.?i think there strong as f**k and with longer legs they have leverage on all 4 feet.not to just be carried off like smaller dogs.best deer dogs.

Nobsaluki in him what so ever and yes I know it happened

[Shaddy93 840]

It doesnt say that at all, Thats your interpretation most lads went to a different school. You obviously dont understand Salukis so stick to your bullx,s you seem happy with them ATB

Your right I don't understand Salukis I'm going off what I have been told and given the idea of how a saluki greyhound works

[Penda 3,341]

 

It doesnt say that at all, Thats your interpretation most lads went to a different school. You obviously dont understand Salukis so stick to your bullx,s you seem happy with them ATB

Your right I don't understand Salukis I'm going off what I have been told and given the idea of how a saluki greyhound works

early bird ain't yah mate ?

[Penda 3,341]

My mate would never ever entertain a bull type lurcher even to this day even when he saw some of the best dogs my mate had and what they were capable of just the way people are he's mad for the old humble beddy greyhound or beddy whippet always has been ??

[Rabbit Hunter 6,613]

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Edited May 12, 2017 by Rabbit Hunter

[terryd 8,385]

 

Don't get me wrong bull x are obv the main choice for it but like all crosses get good and bad they i don't care what you say they ain't allrounders u try running a bull x or 2 hares then get him to catch a fox and kill see how you get off that's the point in making with saluki and majority of these so cold bull x around now have got saluki in them .... and another point I made in previous comment my bull x was retrieving perfect in training but once she had the first rabbit and it made a noise she just shock it and left it there

So a dog that can run two hares and then catch and kill a fox is an all rounder in your eyes? Just asking like as I'd say a dog that can catch rabbit, hare, pull any of the deer species, catch and kill a fox single handed and help the terriers out without messing about is an all rounder imo, don't think you'll get many saluki greyhounds doing that but I know a decent bull cross can

 

 

don't forget birds lol

[arcticgun 4,548]

 

 

 

 

if your a man who has managed to get a dog too do that then you will understand where I'm coming from next then, 99.9% of any type of dog or cross could not manage to do that, so type breeding lines etc don't really come into it, that's dwn too an exceptionally motivated owner and a class dog, a real one off,

 

To be fair allrounder is a massive tag, for me it a dog that will over several seasons go too all the main types of lurcher quarry both day and night and have a genuine go , catching some loosing others, many breeds crosses can excel at that sort of graft, specialist dogs for certain quarry again its down too good well bred stuff and right owner, one off individual hounds with dedicated obsessed owners

 

When you say bull x do you mean bull x grey or saluki bull grey hound? Id imagine the saluki bullgreyhound is superior especially on the day, fighting with a fox isn't exactly an act of bravery for a fully fit lurcher, don't get me wrong many of all breeds don't like it, and most would have a stop point, but good owners know that and work around it,

 

there is no one easy answer with dogs on any type for any type of game

The dog in question is a dog I bred myself a 3/8 5/8 dog, and it is true i know the lad that had the dog and I know the lad that went with him and seen it with his own eyes, if I'm lieing I won't wake up in the morning.

so it was a bull grey with no saluki in it at all and it took them daytime or on the lamp? you'll wake up either way in the morning I reckon truth or not, the thing is we back too the old my mate seen it and told me, so you haven't actually seen it, so you really don't know for certain,, now I'm 100% certain it can be done, but it weren't no bull greyhound stood over it, mind it weren't a pure saluki either

deerhound/greyhound.?i think there strong as f**k and with longer legs they have leverage on all 4 feet.not to just be carried off like smaller dogs.best deer dogs.

Nobsaluki in him what so ever and yes I know it happened

 

but in reality you don't know it happened, you where told it happened, I could tell you now that I know a lad who has a pure that's killed two red single handed and I know his mate who seen it too, doesn't make it true though does it? (which it isn't)

 

So your also telling me that there isn't a pure saluki that can catch and despatch roe, fox, hare, rabbit and rat? and all but one of the other deer species? you really think that's true? I'm pretty sure if I let either of my two pure dogs off on one they would chase it, they may catch and take a hold, but after that its anyones guess, maybe it would fall and break its neck in the open, lucky dogs and me eh? don't make them single red killers, just makes em ballsy and lucky imho, been competent at something means you can do it time and time again,

 

Now I'm not as naïve as I was ten years ago when it comes to dogs, seen a good few of different types over the years both night and day on all game and terrain, my observation of the bull x grey mix is poor feet, poor stamina, good commitment towards fox but very sloppy on the job taking a lot of bites, mainly from taking poor holds due to that bit lack of speed getting too them, ok on roe on lamp but pretty useless daytime not enough puff, plus shite feet dont help,now am not saying they all the same but there not exactly built for allround work now are they? seen a couple of real good uns, proper bucket heads but nice racy strong bodies, very good pair of animals, too improve the line the fella used a saluki cross, these where a massive improvement in my book, far faster, more durable and just as game, less injuries, better stamina, made easier work of stopping stuff than the bull x grey, Coursing dog x saluki bull grey, bull reduced to just a splash but very game dogs indeed and what I would consider real allrounders, I would expect them too take what I put them on both day and night no chew in most cases or make the very best show of it

 

all that said I do understand there will be odd outstanding dogs of all types both past and present, so am not writing off or pulling any other breed to bits, think the lads that really go for the bigger stuff or the real numbers pushing limits usually go for what they know will work across the board as you cant rely on one offs producing in reality, most ones I know are using line bred saluki bull greys, coursing lurcher, coursing lurcher x saluki bull grey, or simply lurcher x lurcher.

 

BTW it was me who flew the falcon with the saluki on hare, and I didn't do it until he was around four, there would of been little point if he couldn't catch one on his own, I done it too see if he would work with the falcon and vice versa

Edited May 11, 2017 by arcticgun

[Shaddy93 840]

 

 

 

 

 

if your a man who has managed to get a dog too do that then you will understand where I'm coming from next then, 99.9% of any type of dog or cross could not manage to do that, so type breeding lines etc don't really come into it, that's dwn too an exceptionally motivated owner and a class dog, a real one off,

 

To be fair allrounder is a massive tag, for me it a dog that will over several seasons go too all the main types of lurcher quarry both day and night and have a genuine go , catching some loosing others, many breeds crosses can excel at that sort of graft, specialist dogs for certain quarry again its down too good well bred stuff and right owner, one off individual hounds with dedicated obsessed owners

 

When you say bull x do you mean bull x grey or saluki bull grey hound? Id imagine the saluki bullgreyhound is superior especially on the day, fighting with a fox isn't exactly an act of bravery for a fully fit lurcher, don't get me wrong many of all breeds don't like it, and most would have a stop point, but good owners know that and work around it,

 

there is no one easy answer with dogs on any type for any type of game

 

The dog in question is a dog I bred myself a 3/8 5/8 dog, and it is true i know the lad that had the dog and I know the lad that went with him and seen it with his own eyes, if I'm lieing I won't wake up in the morning.

so it was a bull grey with no saluki in it at all and it took them daytime or on the lamp? you'll wake up either way in the morning I reckon truth or not, the thing is we back too the old my mate seen it and told me, so you haven't actually seen it, so you really don't know for certain,, now I'm 100% certain it can be done, but it weren't no bull greyhound stood over it, mind it weren't a pure saluki either

deerhound/greyhound.?i think there strong as f**k and with longer legs they have leverage on all 4 feet.not to just be carried off like smaller dogs.best deer dogs.

Nobsaluki in him what so ever and yes I know it happened

but in reality you don't know it happened, you where told it happened, I could tell you now that I know a lad who has a pure that's killed two red single handed and I know his mate who seen it too, doesn't make it true though does it? (which it isn't)

 

So your also telling me that there isn't a pure saluki that can catch and despatch roe, fox, hare, rabbit and rat? and all but one of the other deer species? you really think that's true? I'm pretty sure if I let either of my two pure dogs off on one they would chase it, they may catch and take a hold, but after that its anyones guess, maybe it would fall and break its neck in the open, lucky dogs and me eh? don't make them single red killers, just makes em ballsy and lucky imho, been competent at something means you can do it time and time again,

 

Now I'm not as naïve as I was ten years ago when it comes to dogs, seen a good few of different types over the years both night and day on all game and terrain, my observation of the bull x grey mix is poor feet, poor stamina, good commitment towards fox but very sloppy on the job taking a lot of bites, mainly from taking poor holds due to that bit lack of speed getting too them, ok on roe on lamp but pretty useless daytime not enough puff, plus shite feet dont help,now am not saying they all the same but there not exactly built for allround work now are they? seen a couple of real good uns, proper bucket heads but nice racy strong bodies, very good pair of animals, too improve the line the fella used a saluki cross, these where a massive improvement in my book, far faster, more durable and just as game, less injuries, better stamina, made easier work of stopping stuff than the bull x grey, Coursing dog x saluki bull grey, bull reduced to just a splash but very game dogs indeed and what I would consider real allrounders, I would expect them too take what I put them on both day and night no chew in most cases or make the very best show of it

 

all that said I do understand there will be odd outstanding dogs of all types both past and present, so am not writing off or pulling any other breed to bits, think the lads that really go for the bigger stuff or the real numbers pushing limits usually go for what they know will work across the board as you cant rely on one offs producing in reality, most ones I know are using line bred saluki bull greys, coursing lurcher, coursing lurcher x saluki bull grey, or simply lurcher x lurcher.

 

BTW it was me who flew the falcon with the saluki on hare, and I didn't do it until he was around four, there would of been little point if he couldn't catch one on his own, I done it too see if he would work with the falcon and vice versa

My first point was a saluki greyhound won't live upto a bull cross when it comes to fox I have seen them on them iv Hurd them squeal like a pig on the first fox they pull that night in pretty certain 2 foxes would be their limit in one night, they weren't bred for foxes how can you compare two totally different dogs that are bred for different jobs it's like saying a bricklayer is better at painting a wall than the qualified painter because they both work on site

[Shaddy93 840]

 

 

It doesnt say that at all, Thats your interpretation most lads went to a different school. You obviously dont understand Salukis so stick to your bullx,s you seem happy with them ATB

Your right I don't understand Salukis I'm going off what I have been told and given the idea of how a saluki greyhound works

early bird ain't yah mate

Haha 5:30 start for me matey

[arcticgun 4,548]

 

 

 

 

 

 

if your a man who has managed to get a dog too do that then you will understand where I'm coming from next then, 99.9% of any type of dog or cross could not manage to do that, so type breeding lines etc don't really come into it, that's dwn too an exceptionally motivated owner and a class dog, a real one off,

 

To be fair allrounder is a massive tag, for me it a dog that will over several seasons go too all the main types of lurcher quarry both day and night and have a genuine go , catching some loosing others, many breeds crosses can excel at that sort of graft, specialist dogs for certain quarry again its down too good well bred stuff and right owner, one off individual hounds with dedicated obsessed owners

 

When you say bull x do you mean bull x grey or saluki bull grey hound? Id imagine the saluki bullgreyhound is superior especially on the day, fighting with a fox isn't exactly an act of bravery for a fully fit lurcher, don't get me wrong many of all breeds don't like it, and most would have a stop point, but good owners know that and work around it,

 

there is no one easy answer with dogs on any type for any type of game

The dog in question is a dog I bred myself a 3/8 5/8 dog, and it is true i know the lad that had the dog and I know the lad that went with him and seen it with his own eyes, if I'm lieing I won't wake up in the morning.

so it was a bull grey with no saluki in it at all and it took them daytime or on the lamp? you'll wake up either way in the morning I reckon truth or not, the thing is we back too the old my mate seen it and told me, so you haven't actually seen it, so you really don't know for certain,, now I'm 100% certain it can be done, but it weren't no bull greyhound stood over it, mind it weren't a pure saluki either

deerhound/greyhound.?i think there strong as f**k and with longer legs they have leverage on all 4 feet.not to just be carried off like smaller dogs.best deer dogs.

Nobsaluki in him what so ever and yes I know it happened

but in reality you don't know it happened, you where told it happened, I could tell you now that I know a lad who has a pure that's killed two red single handed and I know his mate who seen it too, doesn't make it true though does it? (which it isn't)

 

So your also telling me that there isn't a pure saluki that can catch and despatch roe, fox, hare, rabbit and rat? and all but one of the other deer species? you really think that's true? I'm pretty sure if I let either of my two pure dogs off on one they would chase it, they may catch and take a hold, but after that its anyones guess, maybe it would fall and break its neck in the open, lucky dogs and me eh? don't make them single red killers, just makes em ballsy and lucky imho, been competent at something means you can do it time and time again,

 

Now I'm not as naïve as I was ten years ago when it comes to dogs, seen a good few of different types over the years both night and day on all game and terrain, my observation of the bull x grey mix is poor feet, poor stamina, good commitment towards fox but very sloppy on the job taking a lot of bites, mainly from taking poor holds due to that bit lack of speed getting too them, ok on roe on lamp but pretty useless daytime not enough puff, plus shite feet dont help,now am not saying they all the same but there not exactly built for allround work now are they? seen a couple of real good uns, proper bucket heads but nice racy strong bodies, very good pair of animals, too improve the line the fella used a saluki cross, these where a massive improvement in my book, far faster, more durable and just as game, less injuries, better stamina, made easier work of stopping stuff than the bull x grey, Coursing dog x saluki bull grey, bull reduced to just a splash but very game dogs indeed and what I would consider real allrounders, I would expect them too take what I put them on both day and night no chew in most cases or make the very best show of it

 

all that said I do understand there will be odd outstanding dogs of all types both past and present, so am not writing off or pulling any other breed to bits, think the lads that really go for the bigger stuff or the real numbers pushing limits usually go for what they know will work across the board as you cant rely on one offs producing in reality, most ones I know are using line bred saluki bull greys, coursing lurcher, coursing lurcher x saluki bull grey, or simply lurcher x lurcher.

 

BTW it was me who flew the falcon with the saluki on hare, and I didn't do it until he was around four, there would of been little point if he couldn't catch one on his own, I done it too see if he would work with the falcon and vice versa

My first point was a saluki greyhound won't live upto a bull cross when it comes to fox I have seen them on them iv Hurd them squeal like a pig on the first fox they pull that night in pretty certain 2 foxes would be their limit in one night, they weren't bred for foxes how can you compare two totally different dogs that are bred for different jobs it's like saying a bricklayer is better at painting a wall than the qualified painter because they both work on site

 

I'm not making a comparison or saying one type better than the other, what I'm saying is that I don't think the bull grey hound is the ultimate fox or deer dog not by a long shot, if it was we wouldn't see the shift toward saluki bull greyhound, Ive seen a good few coursing dogs take foxes day and night, and it weren't much of a battle, ffs its bloody fox not a wolf, yea it might get the odd nip in but they more inclined to fight too make flight than stand and have a tear up, running wise Id well guess your bull x grey would be paggered after a couple of hard runs, same with deer, likesay I concede there will be good bull x greys even exceptional, but as a rule they used less and less cos they not quite as good as what come after em,, same with pure saluki on hare they in this country been outclassed in the main by coursing lurchers,

 

Ive killed me fair share of charlies day n night with both pures and coursing dogs, had few refuse em outright, some done a few then refused on harder nights, but ones that took to it I aint seen many of em squealing after a couple lol yea they get odd nip, loose odd one shifting poor hold for good hold, or just get unlucky, but beaten up badly lmao give me a break, think when it comes to solid dogs jibbing its when they given just a bit too much , but I blame the owner for that , theres limits to everything even the best

 

 

Ive seen a few well marked up bull x at shows and for me it just shows they not very adept at the job or the owner gives too much too the wrong dog, my own have scars but they don't look like they been peppered by a shotgun in the face, likesay its a fleeing fox they chasing and catching not a raging standing pitbull x wolf lol

Edited May 11, 2017 by arcticgun

[shaaark 10,704]

My mate would never ever entertain a bull type lurcher even to this day even when he saw some of the best dogs my mate had and what they were capable of just the way people are he's mad for the old humble beddy greyhound or beddy whippet always has been

I think this is the beauty and versatility of all the various crosses or types. Like I said in the 'favourite cross' thread, everyone will have their own favourite, doesn't matter if it's 'the best', you'll still prefer 'your' type, Most proper lurcher and longdog types will catch most quarry in britain, doesn't matter if it's not 'the best'. I've always favoured dogs with deerhound and collie in, took everything I wanted, couldn't give a flying f**k if they were the best.

 

But I couldn't own a bull cross or beddy cross! Lol

 

Anyway, wasn't the original question in this thread Saluki Greyhounds, anyone ever used them on fox? Not 'what's the best fox dog, saluki/greyound or bull/greyhound?

Edited May 11, 2017 by shaaark

[desertbred 5,490]

If any of my Salukis wouldnt take fox they would be pts no question they are working dogs I expect my dogs to work . As for Salukis not being bred for fox its a natural quarry for them in COO.

[Shaddy93 840]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

if your a man who has managed to get a dog too do that then you will understand where I'm coming from next then, 99.9% of any type of dog or cross could not manage to do that, so type breeding lines etc don't really come into it, that's dwn too an exceptionally motivated owner and a class dog, a real one off,

 

To be fair allrounder is a massive tag, for me it a dog that will over several seasons go too all the main types of lurcher quarry both day and night and have a genuine go , catching some loosing others, many breeds crosses can excel at that sort of graft, specialist dogs for certain quarry again its down too good well bred stuff and right owner, one off individual hounds with dedicated obsessed owners

 

When you say bull x do you mean bull x grey or saluki bull grey hound? Id imagine the saluki bullgreyhound is superior especially on the day, fighting with a fox isn't exactly an act of bravery for a fully fit lurcher, don't get me wrong many of all breeds don't like it, and most would have a stop point, but good owners know that and work around it,

 

there is no one easy answer with dogs on any type for any type of game

 

The dog in question is a dog I bred myself a 3/8 5/8 dog, and it is true i know the lad that had the dog and I know the lad that went with him and seen it with his own eyes, if I'm lieing I won't wake up in the morning.

so it was a bull grey with no saluki in it at all and it took them daytime or on the lamp? you'll wake up either way in the morning I reckon truth or not, the thing is we back too the old my mate seen it and told me, so you haven't actually seen it, so you really don't know for certain,, now I'm 100% certain it can be done, but it weren't no bull greyhound stood over it, mind it weren't a pure saluki either

deerhound/greyhound.?i think there strong as f**k and with longer legs they have leverage on all 4 feet.not to just be carried off like smaller dogs.best deer dogs.

Nobsaluki in him what so ever and yes I know it happened

but in reality you don't know it happened, you where told it happened, I could tell you now that I know a lad who has a pure that's killed two red single handed and I know his mate who seen it too, doesn't make it true though does it? (which it isn't)

 

So your also telling me that there isn't a pure saluki that can catch and despatch roe, fox, hare, rabbit and rat? and all but one of the other deer species? you really think that's true? I'm pretty sure if I let either of my two pure dogs off on one they would chase it, they may catch and take a hold, but after that its anyones guess, maybe it would fall and break its neck in the open, lucky dogs and me eh? don't make them single red killers, just makes em ballsy and lucky imho, been competent at something means you can do it time and time again,

 

Now I'm not as naïve as I was ten years ago when it comes to dogs, seen a good few of different types over the years both night and day on all game and terrain, my observation of the bull x grey mix is poor feet, poor stamina, good commitment towards fox but very sloppy on the job taking a lot of bites, mainly from taking poor holds due to that bit lack of speed getting too them, ok on roe on lamp but pretty useless daytime not enough puff, plus shite feet dont help,now am not saying they all the same but there not exactly built for allround work now are they? seen a couple of real good uns, proper bucket heads but nice racy strong bodies, very good pair of animals, too improve the line the fella used a saluki cross, these where a massive improvement in my book, far faster, more durable and just as game, less injuries, better stamina, made easier work of stopping stuff than the bull x grey, Coursing dog x saluki bull grey, bull reduced to just a splash but very game dogs indeed and what I would consider real allrounders, I would expect them too take what I put them on both day and night no chew in most cases or make the very best show of it

 

all that said I do understand there will be odd outstanding dogs of all types both past and present, so am not writing off or pulling any other breed to bits, think the lads that really go for the bigger stuff or the real numbers pushing limits usually go for what they know will work across the board as you cant rely on one offs producing in reality, most ones I know are using line bred saluki bull greys, coursing lurcher, coursing lurcher x saluki bull grey, or simply lurcher x lurcher.

 

BTW it was me who flew the falcon with the saluki on hare, and I didn't do it until he was around four, there would of been little point if he couldn't catch one on his own, I done it too see if he would work with the falcon and vice versa

My first point was a saluki greyhound won't live upto a bull cross when it comes to fox I have seen them on them iv Hurd them squeal like a pig on the first fox they pull that night in pretty certain 2 foxes would be their limit in one night, they weren't bred for foxes how can you compare two totally different dogs that are bred for different jobs it's like saying a bricklayer is better at painting a wall than the qualified painter because they both work on site

I'm not making a comparison or saying one type better than the other, what I'm saying is that I don't think the bull grey hound is the ultimate fox or deer dog not by a long shot, if it was we wouldn't see the shift toward saluki bull greyhound, Ive seen a good few coursing dogs take foxes day and night, and it weren't much of a battle, ffs its bloody fox not a wolf, yea it might get the odd nip in but they more inclined to fight too make flight than stand and have a tear up, running wise Id well guess your bull x grey would be paggered after a couple of hard runs, same with deer, likesay I concede there will be good bull x greys even exceptional, but as a rule they used less and less cos they not quite as good as what come after em,, same with pure saluki on hare they in this country been outclassed in the main by coursing lurchers,

 

Ive killed me fair share of charlies day n night with both pures and coursing dogs, had few refuse em outright, some done a few then refused on harder nights, but ones that took to it I aint seen many of em squealing after a couple lol yea they get odd nip, loose odd one shifting poor hold for good hold, or just get unlucky, but beaten up badly lmao give me a break, think when it comes to solid dogs jibbing its when they given just a bit too much , but I blame the owner for that , theres limits to everything even the best

 

 

Ive seen a few well marked up bull x at shows and for me it just shows they not very adept at the job or the owner gives too much too the wrong dog, my own have scars but they don't look like they been peppered by a shotgun in the face, likesay its a fleeing fox they chasing and catching not a raging standing pitbull x wolf lol

The dog is running now has a dash of saluki in him not much at all but it helps I'm not knocking the saluki in a lurcher I'm just saying for someone to say a pure saluki is a better choice for foxes and deer is beyond me

[arcticgun 4,548]

if my only interests where fox and from what Ive seen too date Id go for a coursing dog that liked em or a coursing dog x saluki bull grey type, I pretty sire bred out right gear Id do ok with that type, well built dog pup would be my choice

 

great and not durable no good to me, seems a waste and needs breeding too improve durability, where as enough saluki will give that extra stamina durability, desire, drive, feet, which can never go a miss imho

Edited May 11, 2017 by arcticgun

[desertbred 5,490]

 

The dog is running now has a dash of saluki in him not much at all but it helps I'm not knocking the saluki in a lurcher I'm just saying for someone to say a pure saluki is a better choice for foxes and deer is beyond me

 

You admitted you dont know about salukis thats the reason you dont undesrstand what they are capable of. What do you think Salukis were bred to hunt and run? I have a pure dog here 28tts 32kg he will nail more than a fox as a few would testify lol.

Edited May 11, 2017 by desertbred