Collie Crosses To Clever Or Too Slow

[straight2hand 303]

Seen them yap open out ,just prior to catching long ears funny creatures at times some animals also seen saluki xes do same I would not think this trait just goes with collie types .seen bull xes yap on heavy teeth no minerals seen bull types that like to brawl prefer the out and out killing animal job done in a moment or two and looking fa next ,,I believe that if one wants ta chew the fat ,,there's very few if any perfect animal they all have flaws even good animals.hence we always looking ta improve.yapping a pet hate of mine Cana abide it in edible type or pest contolling animal .atb bunnys.

Amen to that - a good dog you can live with its weaknesses, for its strengths.

[Allan P 1,150]

Run cunning can't beat it imo. Let the dog choose his runs he knows what's in the tank. I don't mind a stalking lurcher when out lamping but sometimes can do without my mate complaining the lamp will be flat soon if it don't run, and it's not just collie crosses that pick and choose. The older I get the more I understand choosing your run.

[Somewhereyournot 1,117]

I couldn't put up with a dog stalking on the lamp.

Do you think this is caused by lads working dogs to heel on the lamp? Only known of it when.boys have worked without a slip.

Yet all my lurchers have had collie in and have been busting to be slipped and very full on. And have always worked off a slip as this is what I prefer.

[billhardy 2,342]

See go five seasons then from out blue start stalking and picking runs etc, I suppose the best has been and gone from a five son animal but one can understand ones frusration when it begins when they not done a lot.could be likely in all events the collie used in the make up those sheep trialling types are all eye creep stalk stalk creep fecking will come through if not the first gen it'll bite in the ause in the next lol.atb bunnys.

[Shaddy93 840]

 

 

 

In my eyes an all-rounder is a dog that can catch little and big ears on a regular basis and also catch the bigger gear and Mr Red. For other gear I think you need a dog of different qualities.....

 

For me it must do the same but with manners e.g retrieve, work to heel, and not be a whinging fecker while it at it!!!

I dont think something you have put into the dog can decide wether it's an all rounder or not, if a dog back in the day before the ban could catch a rabbit but just hold it in its mouth without bringing it back and then go into the next field catch and dispatch of a fox without a bother but then sh*t in your van on the way home, pull a deer and bark through the hole course, and catch a hare in the daytime along with pulling things out of holes, I think that is the all round lurcher wetherbit has good manners or not

I totally agree to a degree as there is always proof in the pudding...but for me a lurcher has to work with you, Drive and speed will put game in any dogs mouth and are a absolute necessity! But also a bit of guile and obedience go a long way, the skill for me is raining it all in, with some sort of control over it.

 

ATB S2H

No doubt about it that I'd prefer a dog with manners than without but I'm just saying wether it's got manners or not it doesn't make a difference to wether the dogs an all rounder or not, an all rounder to me is a dog that can catch rabbits, kill a fix and pull a deer

[Allan P 1,150]

I mostly work my dog off the slip and doesn't set off until he's told when working rabbit. If I didn't have control of him when different quarry was winded I'm pretty sure he would be a complete nightmare. When I was a bit a younger I wanted the full on dog but now appreciate a different style of dog. Full on when it's in control but if he judges it' has no chance then trot on back.

[trenchfoot 4,243]

You do get alot of other crosses including ones with saluki and bull in that end up quitting on rabbits.

No one knows fully what goes on in dogs head.

I think if u kept slipping collie types on hedge rabbits then they probably would f**k it off before another cross...but that's missing the point completely...

No point slipping your dog if u don't think it will catch it.. Wasting everyone's time.

That being said my hairy collie x, slip him on a hedgerow figitey type rabbit, the ones that are undecided whether to go in or not...and 9-10 he would turn the fuckers off the hedge and nab them.

Iv now worked out, I think, I prefer border collie to beardy x...

Far less sensitive, more responsive and a harder nature...thats me personally.

Others say beardy are the tougher dog.

 

Maybe if u were after fox time after time

 

 

But I'm not so will never fins out lol.

why have a dog with the mental ability of a collie and keep it on a slip? To me that would be like owning Einstein and then telling him how to write the theory of relativity.

[Allan P 1,150]

 

In my eyes an all-rounder is a dog that can catch little and big ears on a regular basis and also catch the bigger gear and Mr Red. For other gear I think you need a dog of different qualities.....

For me it must do the same but with manners e.g retrieve, work to heel, and not be a whinging fecker while it at it!!!

I dont think something you have put into the dog can decide wether it's an all rounder or not, if a dog back in the day before the ban could catch a rabbit but just hold it in its mouth without bringing it back and then go into the next field catch and dispatch of a fox without a bother but then sh*t in your van on the way home, pull a deer and bark through the hole course, and catch a hare in the daytime along with pulling things out of holes, I think that is the all round lurcher wetherbit has good manners or not

I totally agree to a degree as there is always proof in the pudding...but for me a lurcher has to work with you, Drive and speed will put game in any dogs mouth and are a absolute necessity! But also a bit of guile and obedience go a long way, the skill for me is raining it all in, with some sort of control over it.

 

ATB S2H

No doubt about it that I'd prefer a dog with manners than without but I'm just saying wether it's got manners or not it doesn't make a difference to wether the dogs an all rounder or not, an all rounder to me is a dog that can catch rabbits, kill a fix and pull a deer[/quot

 

Not forgetting Hare ,and not just once.

[dogmad riley 1,343]

In my eyes an all-rounder is a dog that can catch little and big ears on a regular basis and also catch the bigger gear and Mr Red. For other gear I think you need a dog of different qualities..... ??

Exactly that's my idea of an all rounder.

[Penda 3,341]

Years gone by the collie x was the most popular lurcher around my old man had a 3/4 bred bitch couldn't be touched for a general hunting dog she,d bring home the bunnies day and night I never saw her in her prime but blokes in the pup would tell me tales about seeing my dad walking up the road with half a dozen to 10 rabbits slung over his shoulder I've had a couple of collie x types and I think likes already been said there's different dogs for different dogs my old dog would pull deer and fox single handed and hardly get a mark on him and he had a certain way of grabbing foxes I saw him catch one in a hard place one night I thought the fox had beat him to cover but no he put a hold in on Charlie's back leg clamped down on it so it bust then grabbed him on the neck and just crunched his neck his brain would help him get the job done even on bunnies and hares never done many hares in the day but on the lamp he had a fair few took a lot out the seat that's I used to have to get them running 1st only problem with lampin them pre ban

[springfield 20]

There seems a really fine line between getting a really really keen run rabbits all night collie cross or one that picks it's runs or stalks after catching a few. Wonder if its being ran too hard too young or the nature of the dog

[Penda 3,341]

It's what evers in the dogs nature I always think you've gotta take into consideration what type of hunting you do what ground you run do you need a dog that has to use its noggin abit or do you want a do or die dog I like a dog gives its all personally but if the dog you run what ever the cross gives you the end result then who cares it's only ever got to make one person happy and there's a job for every dog and a dog for every job ?

[Penda 3,341]

I was talking to somebody before about German shepherds and training methods on the bite sleeve I was asking this bloke about is it good the dog to take hold and rag the hell out of the sleeve and not let go and he said to me look at it this way it's a personal protection dog what good is that if the dogs got hold of one person while the other 2 come up to you and beat the shit out of you or stab you a dog has to read a situation same as any breed of dog weither it be lurchers terriers gun dogs or what ever ?

[C.green 3,229]

I don't think there's anything wrong with working a dog off a slip or giving it runs that you don't think it's got much chance of catching when I'm out on me own dogs not on a lead he works in front and gets slipped on everything I see I think it's when doing this you test your dog abit and they have the opportunity to surprise you with what they can do.

[Penda 3,341]

I don't think there's anything wrong with working a dog off a slip or giving it runs that you don't think it's got much chance of catching when I'm out on me own dogs not on a lead he works in front and gets slipped on everything I see I think it's when doing this you test your dog abit and they have the opportunity to surprise you with what they can do.

i like to give my dog long slips and slips that they may have a small chance of catch ie by hedges Ive saw dogs plough the back of the hedge out to grab hold and it's times like that I'm more then happy where I lamp theres a lot of light pollution and there very lamp shy so you need to get runs as and when you can ?