Black And Tan

[Roger Kint 38]

 

 

 

Brendans dogs 005.jpgOld type Lakeland

Looks nothing like an olde type Lakey,except some of the colour.Seriously if folk look at these type of pictures and imagine it represents the working lakeys that where evident less than 3 decades ago its a poor reflection on the lakey kennels now.

 

 

 

 

I'd sooner have one of Liams than a gassy bag of shit that masquerades as a lakeland these days-work ethic before rosettes any day in my book mort.atb dcBlackhearts Dogs 034.jpg

Im a massive Lakey fan and don,t have much patience for any terrier that masquerades as anything other than a terrier,yet the mutt he depicted bore little resemblance to a olde type Lakey and thats a fact.If you quote old type depict old type and not another run of the mill working terrier that is bred towards a Lakey.If the lads mutts graft thats all that counts and ill bang his drum louder than most,its not a Lakeland more of a Lakey type.

 

 

Morton you have me confused and maybe yourself too? For a massive lakey fan is not a working strain the most important factor? You mention lakeys three decades ago which is only 30 years. To me this is when they started in some quarters to demise with the obvious influence of KC blood by prominent dog men. The shape, colour and most important working ability changed and not for the best. The new type lakey turned into the fashionable type for a lot of would be digging men?

 

I am lost as to what you consider a "true" lakeland terrier? A photo would help me understand.

If you look at the old photos of lakeland (fell) terriers pre 1900's they were non discript type of all shapes and sizes depending on the village they came from which is typical of a working strain. The "breed" club was only formed in 1912 and UK registered in 1921. Then two types existed. Working and Show types. It probably took another decade or three years for the seperation to further develop between the two types until they became quite distinct from each other with 2 world wars in between which would have inhibited any breed development.

 

Then by the time men like Middleton got their hands on old working stock from the men before him and the 1970-80's the look of the working type again took a distinct turn as noted above. But for me all the time working dog men (typical of what Liam has) infused what they felt was for the betterment of the "working" dog. So for me a dog that throws towards a lakeland type is a working lakeland. There was nothing too typical about them when the Bells had them nor now amongst proper working dog men not too caught up breeding purebred stock.

 

Working dog men have and will continue to bred-in working attributes and breed back again to the route stock. Good on Liam and Kirstydad for what looks like working lakeland types to me. Sure is not a strain a type of dog?

 

P.S. not looking for an arguement just a discussion.

 

I believe the only factor is a working one,with any terrier.IF you want a certain type then it should be type typical and not a sort of type.If again the only factor is graft then type is of little importance but its imperative that folk need to breed to type to hold on to the type typical terriers we grew to recognise as breeds,be that Border,Lakey,Bedlington etc.Its easy enough to breed a worker its a slog to breed a type typical one and it does matter in the bigger picture.

 

 

I understand what you are saying but do not 100% agree with it. Yes work is the only factor no matter what the type is.

 

I believe fells be they a Red Fell, Black Fell, B&T Lakeland, Red Lakeland, Patterdale are all types or strains of somewhat orignal stock? Be that a long time ago.

 

I agree IF you want a type that try to bred to the best of that type available - if available.

 

But as work is the most important factor I would happliy breed a B&T Lakeland to any of the above types. I wouldnt breed a russell to a lakeland as for some reason that would be alien to me. Border/ Lakeland cross would be also OK to me.

 

If lads like busterdog and kirstydad still have the working type lakelands they would be worth preserving. As before if a litter was bred and you got tan, B&T, or nowadays black then just keep back to B&T's and breed back to root stock. Another thing is to spread out the line to decent lads with shared interest as the breeder to help keep things going as being a one man show never works unless you like keeping a hoard of animals all with limited work under them.

Edited May 9, 2017 by Roger Kint

[da slayer 204]

IMG_4751.JPG from way back 1 of my first digging dogs and a good 1 too

now that's a old pic mate, remember digging to old buster when we was only pups r self haha, time flys lol,

[da slayer 204]

mother an son, black an tan bitch 5 an a half, red dog 17 mths old, Edited June 10, 2017 by da slayer

[andri 73]

Good old dog this one doubt I'll get another like him

[da slayer 204]

Longers01 there you go mate pics of your dog tha you asked me to put up for ye????

[longers01 2,398]

Cheers mate

[EDDIE B 3,166]

My old Fell bitch, from many moons ago

 

[tinytiger 840]

My old Fell bitch, from many moons ago

 

grand bitch her eddy-hope youre keeping well.

[EDDIE B 3,166]

 

My old Fell bitch, from many moons ago

 

grand bitch her eddy-hope youre keeping well.

Alls good here lad. Nice to hear from you. Was down your way few weeks ago for a few jars. Had some mighty craic. Hope alls good your end?

[mnnewry 35]

My first Lakeland a while ago now, some fox dog, never had or witnessed better,

[mnnewry 35]

Edited August 6, 2017 by mnnewry

[mnnewry 35]

As there has been a few discussions about the Tandagree show, I won working Lakeland and overall working terrier with that dog above - not sure, Neil but you might have been judging, was about mid 90's

[neil cooney 10,416]

As there has been a few discussions about the Tandagree show, I won working Lakeland and overall working terrier with that dog above - not sure, Neil but you might have been judging, was about mid 90's

No, I judged lurchers twice and the Wheatens once in Tandragee in the earlys 00s.

I would love to have seen the Lakeland class in Tandragee back when you say as Ireland was full of good Lakeland terriers then.

Even though there was plenty of show type Lakies back then when the little wee man in the North was running loads of shows and he used to make sure he ran one the same day someone else had theres, just to take away from them. It would mean Tandragee had the workers.

[mnnewry 35]

Tandragee was great, one of the earlier shows in the year, memories of that show that stick out for me was the strong dog class and the lurcher jumping, I remember a chocolate/ liver collie xthe heights he was scaling was unreal. A pile of us headed up from Newry, had a great day out, then back home to the pub for far too much drink, good craic tho,

[Dabhand 887]

My Mate judged the terriers there years ago I'll find out the exact year

he said he hasn't seen so many dogs in each class since

the black bitch class was the biggest