Anyone Else's Kid Doing This For Homework?

[neems 2,406]

There are no books on the shelves of British libraries that invoke or insight racial hatred or religious hatred. You claimed people including Mr Westwood were arrested for quoting in his case from Churchills book he was arrested for failing to comply with a section 27 dispersal request I said it could be their language, demeanour or the acts of incitement or public order offences he was arrested for you prove your claim its not for me to prove it for you. There is no intent or incitement to commit a criminal Axct in the Bible or Churchhills book so your wrong about arrest for reading themin public. The very same Section 27 Act is used by police in Lincolnshire, Cambridge and Norfolk to disperse and stop Hare coursers from entering the Counties for up to 48 hours no offence has to have taken place to invoke section 27 the offence is choosing to fail to ACT UPON THE ORDER.

 

'A Hampshire police spokesman said: 'A 50-year-old man from Dorset was arrested outside Winchester Guildhall at approximately 2.30pm on Saturday, April 26 after he failed to comply with a section 27 dispersal order.

 

'The dispersal order was issued following complaints from members of the public about the man's behaviour.'

 

 

But then...

 

 

'He was further arrested on suspicion of religious/racial harassment.'

So he WAS arrested for quoting a book,glad that's cleared up

 

I'm fairly sure the Koran teaches to tax non muslims and kill gays,the Talmud certainly teaches to look down on and feck over non-Jews (human cattle) at every opportunity and ultimately enslave us all.

 

All of that constitutes hate speech in the UK and none of it is exempt legally,but unlike you and them I'm not part of a protected class,so I can't express anything similar in favour of my own group without getting arrested.

[neems 2,406]

Wasting your breath mate

 

I'm not trying to convince anyone mate.

 

DB's tenacious enough to find any weak point or inconsistency in a thought experiment here,which can only help iron things out for when it actually matters.

[Chicken_man 1,651]

The first topic my kid was learning in P1 was Hinduism and Sikhism in RE to give a wider overview

[desertbred 5,490]

 

There are no books on the shelves of British libraries that invoke or insight racial hatred or religious hatred. You claimed people including Mr Westwood were arrested for quoting in his case from Churchills book he was arrested for failing to comply with a section 27 dispersal request I said it could be their language, demeanour or the acts of incitement or public order offences he was arrested for you prove your claim its not for me to prove it for you. There is no intent or incitement to commit a criminal Axct in the Bible or Churchhills book so your wrong about arrest for reading themin public. The very same Section 27 Act is used by police in Lincolnshire, Cambridge and Norfolk to disperse and stop Hare coursers from entering the Counties for up to 48 hours no offence has to have taken place to invoke section 27 the offence is choosing to fail to ACT UPON THE ORDER.

 

'A Hampshire police spokesman said: 'A 50-year-old man from Dorset was arrested outside Winchester Guildhall at approximately 2.30pm on Saturday, April 26 after he failed to comply with a section 27 dispersal order.

 

'The dispersal order was issued following complaints from members of the public about the man's behaviour.'

 

 

But then...

 

 

'He was further arrested on suspicion of religious/racial harassment.'

So he WAS arrested for quoting a book,glad that's cleared up

 

I'm fairly sure the Koran teaches to tax non muslims and kill gays,the Talmud certainly teaches to look down on and feck over non-Jews (human cattle) at every opportunity and ultimately enslave us all.

 

All of that constitutes hate speech in the UK and none of it is exempt legally,but unlike you and them I'm not part of a protected class,so I can't express anything similar in favour of my own group without getting arrested.

 

It says futher arrested later on suspicion of religious/racial harrasment that was later in the day after statements ha been taken from members of the public many who had videod stuff on their phones about his speech and language being used "NO "where does it say for reading an excert from a book, so you have cleared nothing up. just emphasised my original contention on his original arrest for ignoring a section 27 Dispersal order. , You are trying to forward an unsustainable argument regarding arrested for quoting from the book that isnt the truth plain and simple. As for the Qran you say you are fairly sure! what it says I am 100% certain what it says and in what context things are written in the Qran so now you are trying to widen the scope of your original assertion from Churchill to encompass the Qran nothing to be gained. Yes there is a Tax levied on Non Muslims in an Islamic Republic it is for a specific purpose very similar to the Charge your Government is trying to introduce to make NHS tourists pay for treatment or services they receive except Islam is in advance on the matter by 1400 years. ATB

Edited April 27, 2017 by desertbred

[neems 2,406]

Can you show me what he was arrested for if not that quote?

He says he was arrested for the quote,and I didn't see anything else controversial in his speech.

 

Like I said,if you can show me any piece of legislation that exempts hate speech if it's quoted from a book,I'll accept that.

It's not the case though.

You can discriminate against homosexuals legally,you can disassociate with them ,you can even suggest the death penalty is justified for them etc

These have all been done here in the UK,by Muslims,without reproach.

 

If a white atheist or christian suggested any of those things publicly they'd be arrested,there have been groups labelled terrorist groups and banned for far less extreme views.

[desertbred 5,490]

Can you show me what he was arrested for if not that quote?

He says he was arrested for the quote,and I didn't see anything else controversial in his speech.

 

Like I said,if you can show me any piece of legislation that exempts hate speech if it's quoted from a book,I'll accept that.

It's not the case though.

You can discriminate against homosexuals legally,you can disassociate with them ,you can even suggest the death penalty is justified for them etc

These have all been done here in the UK,by Muslims,without reproach.

 

If a white atheist or christian suggested any of those things publicly they'd be arrested,there have been groups labelled terrorist groups and banned for far less extreme views.

Under Shariat law the Death penalty for Homosexuality is a penalty it is a law under Shariat, which only applies in a Islamic system. If you advocate killing a Homosexual in the UK the law is quite clear irrespective of if you are rainbow coloured, white Christian or Muslim so its not correct to say you can discriminate here legally is it ? Your interpretation of law and fact are wrong. As for Weston he says he was quoting from the book , well he would wouldnt he! He is on Police bail. Is he such an idiot to make admissions in a statement to a Media outlet. The Woman who complained originally about his language and its content had a completely different recollection of what was said to his .So after some enquiries he was later accused of the race/religious incitement. its not rocket science you dont admit liability if you intend to fight a case do you?.

Edited April 27, 2017 by desertbred

[neems 2,406]

 

Can you show me what he was arrested for if not that quote?

He says he was arrested for the quote,and I didn't see anything else controversial in his speech.

 

Like I said,if you can show me any piece of legislation that exempts hate speech if it's quoted from a book,I'll accept that.

It's not the case though.

You can discriminate against homosexuals legally,you can disassociate with them ,you can even suggest the death penalty is justified for them etc

These have all been done here in the UK,by Muslims,without reproach.

 

If a white atheist or christian suggested any of those things publicly they'd be arrested,there have been groups labelled terrorist groups and banned for far less extreme views.

Under Shariat law the Death penalty for Homosexuality is a penalty it is a law under Shariat, which only applies in a Islamic system. If you advocate killing a Homosexual in the UK the law is quite clear irrespective of if you a rainbow coloured white Christian or Muslim so its not correct to say you candiscriminate here legally is it your interpretation of law and fact are wrong. As for Weston he says he wa quoting from the book , well he would wouldnt he he is on Police bail is he such an idiot to make admissions in astatementtoa media outlet. The Woman who complained originally had a completely different recollection of what was said to hisso he was lateraccused of the racereligious incitement. itsnot rocket science you dont admitliabilityifyointendto fight acase do you?

 

 

And yet Muslims DO in fact get away with saying and doing these things openly here,while whites get arrested for far less.

Because you are a protected class here,as are all non-whites,under the law Muslims could be arrested for these things,but they never are.

 

Can you show me what he said that he got arrested for then,if not that quote?

Or where in any piece of legislation,hate speech isn't hate speech if it's written in a book?

[WILF 46,646]

Hate speech.......what a crock of shit.

Who gets to decide what that is?...........its one of those complete bollocks of a law to cover whatever they want it to cover.

[desertbred 5,490]

I say Rapists and child murderers and groomers should be hung or executed by firing Squad yet ther is no death penalty here am I allowed to say that because I am Muslim? Will you be atrrested for saying it because your Christian or Athiest absolute tripe . Your arguments and suppositions dont bare scrutiny. Show me where I have said hate speach isnt hate speach because its written in a book? I said you wont find any incitement to racial or religious hatred in a published book on the shelves in the British library your the one trying to portray Churchill in that light. Wilf fortunately for you i dont Draft or implement your British laws you Plastic Paddy

Edited April 27, 2017 by desertbred

[neems 2,406]

I say Rapists and child murderers and groomers should be hung or executed by firing Squad yet ther is no death penalty here am I allowed to say that because I am Muslim? Will you be atrrested for saying it because your Christian or Athiest absolute tripe . Your arguments and suppositions dont bare scrutiny. Show me where I have said hate speach isnt hate speach because its written in a book? I said you wont find any incitement to racial or religious hatred in a published book on the shelves in the British library your the one trying to portray Churchill in that light. Wilf fortunately for you i dont Draft or implement your British laws you Plastic Paddy

 

You're allowed to say that because groomers and paedophiles aren't protected by hate speech laws (yet).

 

You're making claims you can't back up and completely illogical suppositions,if saying (in a perfect world) gays should be killed isn't hatred based on sexual orientation,I don't know what is.

I'm not trying to portray Churchill in any light,I'm saying Weston was arrested because he quoted Churchill's book,which all evidence says he was.

 

You wrote this

 

You cannot be arrested for quoting a passage from a published book Arrests are made under public orde rlegislation where your intention is to cause stress or anxiety or to intimidate using derogatory language or terms with the intention to cause alarm distress or fear to others

 

So yes,you did say books are exempt.

[stumfelter 3,034]

 

 

There are no books on the shelves of British libraries that invoke or insight racial hatred or religious hatred. You claimed people including Mr Westwood were arrested for quoting in his case from Churchills book he was arrested for failing to comply with a section 27 dispersal request I said it could be their language, demeanour or the acts of incitement or public order offences he was arrested for you prove your claim its not for me to prove it for you. There is no intent or incitement to commit a criminal Axct in the Bible or Churchhills book so your wrong about arrest for reading themin public. The very same Section 27 Act is used by police in Lincolnshire, Cambridge and Norfolk to disperse and stop Hare coursers from entering the Counties for up to 48 hours no offence has to have taken place to invoke section 27 the offence is choosing to fail to ACT UPON THE ORDER.

 

'A Hampshire police spokesman said: 'A 50-year-old man from Dorset was arrested outside Winchester Guildhall at approximately 2.30pm on Saturday, April 26 after he failed to comply with a section 27 dispersal order.

 

'The dispersal order was issued following complaints from members of the public about the man's behaviour.'

 

 

But then...

 

 

'He was further arrested on suspicion of religious/racial harassment.'

So he WAS arrested for quoting a book,glad that's cleared up

 

I'm fairly sure the Koran teaches to tax non muslims and kill gays,the Talmud certainly teaches to look down on and feck over non-Jews (human cattle) at every opportunity and ultimately enslave us all.

 

All of that constitutes hate speech in the UK and none of it is exempt legally,but unlike you and them I'm not part of a protected class,so I can't express anything similar in favour of my own group without getting arrested.

It says futher arrested later on suspicion of religious/racial harrasment that was later in the day after statements ha been taken from members of the public many who had videod stuff on their phones about his speech and language being used "NO "where does it say for reading an excert from a book, so you have cleared nothing up. just emphasised my original contention on his original arrest for ignoring a section 27 Dispersal order. , You are trying to forward an unsustainable argument regarding arrested for quoting from the book that isnt the truth plain and simple. As for the Qran you say you are fairly sure! what it says I am 100% certain what it says and in what context things are written in the Qran so now you are trying to widen the scope of your original assertion from Churchill to encompass the Qran nothing to be gained. Yes there is a Tax levied on Non Muslims in an Islamic Republic it is for a specific purpose very similar to the Charge your Government is trying to introduce to make NHS tourists pay for treatment or services they receive except Islam is in advance on the matter by 1400 years. ATB

I've not come on to argue but one thing you said set me thinking DB, so a non Muslim living in a Muslim country has to pay a tax just for not being a muslim? Is this enforced and if so in which countries?

[scothunter 12,609]

Dunno about paying a tax, but they need their f***ing head looked at!

[desertbred 5,490]

 

 

 

There are no books on the shelves of British libraries that invoke or insight racial hatred or religious hatred. You claimed people including Mr Westwood were arrested for quoting in his case from Churchills book he was arrested for failing to comply with a section 27 dispersal request I said it could be their language, demeanour or the acts of incitement or public order offences he was arrested for you prove your claim its not for me to prove it for you. There is no intent or incitement to commit a criminal Axct in the Bible or Churchhills book so your wrong about arrest for reading themin public. The very same Section 27 Act is used by police in Lincolnshire, Cambridge and Norfolk to disperse and stop Hare coursers from entering the Counties for up to 48 hours no offence has to have taken place to invoke section 27 the offence is choosing to fail to ACT UPON THE ORDER.

'A Hampshire police spokesman said: 'A 50-year-old man from Dorset was arrested outside Winchester Guildhall at approximately 2.30pm on Saturday, April 26 after he failed to comply with a section 27 dispersal order.

 

'The dispersal order was issued following complaints from members of the public about the man's behaviour.'

 

 

But then...

 

 

'He was further arrested on suspicion of religious/racial harassment.'

So he WAS arrested for quoting a book,glad that's cleared up

 

I'm fairly sure the Koran teaches to tax non muslims and kill gays,the Talmud certainly teaches to look down on and feck over non-Jews (human cattle) at every opportunity and ultimately enslave us all.

 

All of that constitutes hate speech in the UK and none of it is exempt legally,but unlike you and them I'm not part of a protected class,so I can't express anything similar in favour of my own group without getting arrested.

It says futher arrested later on suspicion of religious/racial harrasment that was later in the day after statements ha been taken from members of the public many who had videod stuff on their phones about his speech and language being used "NO "where does it say for reading an excert from a book, so you have cleared nothing up. just emphasised my original contention on his original arrest for ignoring a section 27 Dispersal order. , You are trying to forward an unsustainable argument regarding arrested for quoting from the book that isnt the truth plain and simple. As for the Qran you say you are fairly sure! what it says I am 100% certain what it says and in what context things are written in the Qran so now you are trying to widen the scope of your original assertion from Churchill to encompass the Qran nothing to be gained. Yes there is a Tax levied on Non Muslims in an Islamic Republic it is for a specific purpose very similar to the Charge your Government is trying to introduce to make NHS tourists pay for treatment or services they receive except Islam is in advance on the matter by 1400 years. ATB

I've not come on to argue but one thing you said set me thinking DB, so a non Muslim living in a Muslim country has to pay a tax just for not being a muslim? Is this enforced and if so in which countries?

 

In Iran if you are a Non Muslim Citizen as you will not do national service etc so the tax is for/in lieu of service and for access to things like zakat(poor charity) As non Muslims are excused certain duties like annual zakat tax then they have to contribute to the National welfare pot if you like ,that is the non muslim tax not because they are not Muslim but in order to avail facilities you have to contribute in some way. I pay taxes here to avail of facilities so why not in a Muslim Country ?Saudia dont have the tax as you cannot be a Saudia Citizen unless you are a Saudia born Arab no concept of Naturalisation in Saudia or aquired Nationality that is a Saud Law not a Shariat Islamic Law.

Edited April 27, 2017 by desertbred

[stumfelter 3,034]

Thanks, doyou know if this applies in any other countries?

[desertbred 5,490]

Thanks, doyou know if this applies in any other countries

Most Countries are not islamic Republics so dont have the state law as Shariat Pakistan is a Republic but itS judicial system isPalistan Penal code based on British penal code from the Empire times so it is not a Shariat system and only a few Islamic Laws are incorporated. Saudia is a Monachy which in is it self isun islamic so there Lawis based on illegality from the outset. Deash claim to be an islamic state buttheir interpretation and actions prove they are not and very few Muslims recognise them as followers of Shariat Law. But Sunni and Shia accept the law is Shariah and it is mentioned in the Qran regarding the TaX paid by non Muslims.