Election Time..????

[Born Hunter 17,798]

 

 

I think if you voted out on brexit then conservative is the only way to vote for this one.. Brexit is far bigger than this and if the majority of the country get behind may anything is possible.

Do you still do that if your MP is Ken Clarke? Not sure if he's the rushcliffe tory candidate as he said he was going to retire at the end of this current term and not stand for reelection. But that was assuming a normal term.

There is that lol its annoying that you could possibly be giving a knob like Clark a vote but I think at this point in the game the advantages of a strong government with the will of the people behind it far out ways the little inconveniences like ken Road tax dodger Clark.

 

 

I'm not so sure. He will actively vote against anything that separates us from the EU. Frankly f**k him! If he's standing for the Tory's again he won't be getting my vote. He shit out when he went against the will of the country in his deluded sense of duty to his constituents. Or was that just a convenient excuse to stand by his beloved EU? MPs are supposed to be intelligent and yet he couldn't figure out that an act of direct democracy trumps that of representative democracy.

 

Right now, I'm saying f**k him but I'm open to persuasion....

[Born Hunter 17,798]

Update, the cunty wanker isn't standing!

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_United_Kingdom_general_election

 

[kanny 20,693]

May wants the majority as much to silence her own Euro sceptic back benchers as much as she want to silence pro Euro labour and lib Dems......as two bob rightly points out, most of the Tories wanted to stay in as well.

Don't think a victory for May is a victory for British democracy and independence......that couldn't be further from the truth

I know what your saying and believe me I don't like it anymore than you do but I do feel 1 strong government taking us through brexit would be better than a load of squabbling fractured parties. Once we get brexit out the way then would be the time to start building a strong opposition.. Thats how I'm seeing it anyway.

[tatsblisters 10,155]

Still carnt believe theirs the odd ex pitmen in my area that will still vote labour despite what they have done to the town of Rotherham and still dwelling on the pit strike and Maggie Thatcher ffs i wish these idiots would move on their a fekin embarasment to ordinary working class folk in wanting bozozs like corbyn abbot mcdonnel and thornberry running the country.

[WILF 47,402]

It's strange how stuff is engineered so that you don't really notice the pain, if everyone in the UK got the bill for what successive governments have mortgaged their lives for.......if that bill of £72 THOUSAND and rising landed on your door step tomorrow with a demand for payment (or it will be much bigger tomorrow) then every sane person would NOT bother to vote for more of the same on the 8th.

 

It's just nuts to keep endorsing these people imho

[Lenmcharristar 9,870]

Just think Tory majority, repeal

[Born Hunter 17,798]

It's strange how stuff is engineered so that you don't really notice the pain, if everyone in the UK got the bill for what successive governments have mortgaged their lives for.......if that bill of £72 THOUSAND and rising landed on your door step tomorrow with a demand for payment (or it will be much bigger tomorrow) then every sane person would NOT bother to vote for more of the same on the 8th.

 

It's just nuts to keep endorsing these people imho

 

You're right Wilf, but mention chopping the NHS, pensions, welfare or whatever and everyone has a f***ing breakdown! So the politicians pretend that that debt isn't real and that all these wonderful gifts can be given freely, or that some rich fellas will pay for it in taxes.

 

What do you do with that situation, just say "nah, I'm not playing anymore"? Frankly I believe you just have to get on with it and accept that until there's a bit of pain there will not be the political will in the people to start making hard decisions. Simply not playing is fine, but all you're doing is letting everyone else decide your fate. If all that matters to you is the debt then I guess no choice is going to affect you in a meaningful way so why waste 20mins of your Thursday at the ballot, I get that much.

[WILF 47,402]

Good post Born, I just think at a time when lots of people say "we want a change in politics" then it don't make any sense to me to then vote for exactly what you have been getting.

The only thing people have not tried is to actually not bother to vote en masse........I'd like to see it just once, remove their mandate......remove any kind of approval.

 

What happens then?........everyone in the world will know they have no mandate to act

Maybe just saying "I'm not playing any more" is exactly what people need to do.........because keep allowing yourself to get f****d in the arse by popular consent is bonkers imho

[neems 2,406]

Good post Born, I just think at a time when lots of people say "we want a change in politics" then it don't make any sense to me to then vote for exactly what you have been getting.

The only thing people have not tried is to actually not bother to vote en masse........I'd like to see it just once, remove their mandate......remove any kind of approval.

 

What happens then?........everyone in the world will know they have no mandate to act

Maybe just saying "I'm not playing any more" is exactly what people need to do.........because keep allowing yourself to get f****d in the arse by popular consent is bonkers imho

 

What about all the mindless labour supporters?

I'm sure most of them CANNOT think,you literally cannot get through to them,they'll vote the same way no matter what,no matter what the bigger picture is or what is in their interest.

 

I think going for the least worst option is always better than throwing your teddy and hoping for the best!

[WILF 47,402]

I don't agree neems, I think sometimes in life you have to make a point and f**k any personal pain it may cause........and in this instance your life will continue to get worse, more money will get extorted out of you to pay for it so in truth what could possibly be worse?

At least you will have the peace of mind knowing you never voted for or endorsed any of it mate.

[WILF 47,402]

As an aside, if anyone thinks this election is about Brexit then I will say this......you don't actually beleive you will end up with a deal that suits people better than it suits politicians and their corporate backers do you?

I mean, no one is silly enough to beleive that are they?

[Born Hunter 17,798]

Good post Born, I just think at a time when lots of people say "we want a change in politics" then it don't make any sense to me to then vote for exactly what you have been getting.

The only thing people have not tried is to actually not bother to vote en masse........I'd like to see it just once, remove their mandate......remove any kind of approval.

 

What happens then?........everyone in the world will know they have no mandate to act

Maybe just saying "I'm not playing any more" is exactly what people need to do.........because keep allowing yourself to get f****d in the arse by popular consent is bonkers imho

 

Recently Wilf, it's dawned on me how uncommon my own politics are and have contemplated exactly the same as you right there because "what's the f***ing point, no b*****d will ever agree with me!". LOL

 

So I'm left with voting based on the few things that can be affected by the politics of this country.

 

I've just accepted that what we have now we're keeping until the day folks start feeling the pain from all that shite that is being swept under the carpet.

 

I said it before the referendum, possibly before the last election. If we are to leave the EU then of the choices we have I believe the Tories will do the best job of it. They'll feather their own pockets I'm sure but so long as they're business minded, not social justice minded, the country will be the better for it IMO. And I'll at least have another five years not worrying about being legislated against further as a hunter/gun owner.

 

Truth be told, my politics are radically different to any party on the ballot!

[kanny 20,693]

I don't agree neems, I think sometimes in life you have to make a point and f**k any personal pain it may cause........and in this instance your life will continue to get worse, more money will get extorted out of you to pay for it so in truth what could possibly be worse?

At least you will have the peace of mind knowing you never voted for or endorsed any of it mate.

Problem is wilf everybody thinks different if only it was so simple. Whilst we are all taking the moral high ground I those who think differently would be undermining us if we don't vote then you will the greens or some other shite in power... Its catch 22

[WILF 47,402]

I get that Born, I really do but imho the facts no longer stand up to the Conservative party being the party of letting people get on, low tax, smaller government etc.

I see absolutely no difference between them and new labour at all.

 

It's big tax, more legislation, more rules......ask any self employed bloke who owns a van around the London area if they feel better off under the Tories?

People are getting the shit ripped out of them every bit as bad as any socialist government.......they have no choice, £1.7 TRILLION in the hole and rising.

There's two ways out of that, default or make it that people are just working for the state their whole life.

[neems 2,406]

I don't agree neems, I think sometimes in life you have to make a point and f**k any personal pain it may cause........and in this instance your life will continue to get worse, more money will get extorted out of you to pay for it so in truth what could possibly be worse?

At least you will have the peace of mind knowing you never voted for or endorsed any of it mate.

 

 

Literally everything would get worse including immigration,taxation and national debt,because if 90% of people agreed on this labour voters would be the 10% and they'd win!

If the turn out was tiny,the winners would still win and no-one would care,or at least nothing would be changed for the better.

 

If you can't do the best thing,then the second best or failing that the third best and so on is the only option imo.