Election Time..????

[WILF 46,552]

Obviously it's an impossible dream but I would like to see Westminster purged of all the political class altogether.......for one term I'd like to see voting suspended and instead people from local communities randomly selected.

Local volunteers

School governors

Youth leaders

Union representatives

Business owners (small and large)

Shop keepers

Teachers

Police officers

 

Just all put in a hat and 600 pulled out at random, no party politics.......just ordinary folk, many of who are already giving their time for free to try and improve their communities.

Get rid of the utter charlatans we already have and give it to genuine people to try and do the job in the best interests of ordinary folk, not always cocking an eye to the next election.

 

It won't ever happen of course but I just don't see any other way to drain the poison from the abscess of politics.

[tilimangro 1,013]

I'm with you 100% on that wilf

This system is self serving and corrupt as heck

[DIDO.1 22,548]

I don't trust may with brexit or immigration BUT in this election all the other options are openly pro immigration and anti brexit.

 

It's the only option....If they fck it up then we can complain....You can't let labour and SNP decide the direction of the the UK which any vote other than conservative is doing. I'd like to see ukip hang around in the labour areas and getting 2nd places

[arcticgun 4,548]

well said Wilf, to simply accept what we currently served up in both its distasteful packages then we deserve no more as a people than the scraps we served up to keep us limping along, its sickening that in an age where we can see right through the lies and smokescreens that we don't simply ay enough is enough and get shot of them, they are only serving their real masters and have no interest in what benefits us the masses, its all a massive con trick, and the same peole profit no matter who wins and we all keep on loosing

 

Don't Vote on the day they want you too not for any of the ones that have boxes on the forms they are all the same left and right they simply playing divide and conquer, spreading fear and hatered all over the globe, and all so some of thee richest people on earth can gain more money and pleasure, cos too them its simply a large game, along with not voting down tools for a few weeks dry the income up and then watch just how quick they all loose interest in doing the best for us

[arcticgun 4,548]

Just hope the worst case scenario does not happen a coalition of labour and the lib dems then we would be f****d good and proper .Corbyn is going to get destroyed like Micheal Foot did.

it wont happen labour don't want too win, there is no money left too give away for free, they ill sit back and wait until the conservatives have stockpiled a few quid then mount a series challenge informing the public of said surplus and promising too give it all too them in return for votes, have we not been here before, last time they allowed a war criminal too lead them and took us into a whole new level of poverty and fear day to day,

[WILF 46,552]

 

Just hope the worst case scenario does not happen a coalition of labour and the lib dems then we would be f****d good and proper .Corbyn is going to get destroyed like Micheal Foot did.

 

it wont happen labour don't want too win, there is no money left too give away for free, they ill sit back and wait until the conservatives have stockpiled a few quid then mount a series challenge informing the public of said surplus and promising too give it all too them in return for votes, have we not been here before, last time they allowed a war criminal too lead them and took us into a whole new level of poverty and fear day to day,

They may wait a long time, the £1.7 trillion we have pissed away don't actually exist yet never mind real money to stock pile mate

[BGD 6,431]

Labour actually borrow less and pay back more than the Conservatives though?

 

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/03/13/the-conservatives-have-been-the-biggest-borrowers-over-the-last-70-years/

 

[Born Hunter 17,751]

Now that's interesting............. but is it meaningful?

 

Surely the data needs to be presented in terms of % of GDP rather than simply Pounds Sterling (even normalised)? A Million quid loan isn't so big if you are on a Billion quid salary. But if you're on a 10M salary, then a loan of half a Million would be much bigger relatively. Yet the stats shown would not represent that.

 

Data from '46...... would the War borrowing and rebuilding of the country not have affected the result in the same way the GFC did? Hence why the author took the GFC into account.

Edited April 24, 2017 by Born Hunter

[BGD 6,431]

It's meaningful in the sense that Labour have obviously dropped the ball on messaging if they've allowed themselves to be branded the party of economic irresponsibility when the numbers seem to show the opposite to be the case.

 

I doubt either of the points you raised would make a huge difference to the overall picture but if you feel like crunching the numbers I'd be interested to see the results.

Edited April 24, 2017 by BGD

[arcticgun 4,548]

Labour actually borrow less and pay back more than the Conservatives though?

 

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/03/13/the-conservatives-have-been-the-biggest-borrowers-over-the-last-70-years/

 

I wouldn't be splitting hairs on who the worst and best out of the two of them, fact is they both serve the same peoples interests and its not the publics, both have failed for decades and decades neither have ever learned fro their past mistakes, both contain people of poor character and little integrity, most of them weren't even at the top of their classes in the elite universities, if any of them was really that clever surely they would be working in industry or something worthwhile, not conning the public into playing the same old same old yet again, even they must be truly amazed at just how long they have got away it all, and here we go again real soon eh

[Paulnix 426]

The problem with Murphy is that he isn't exactly independent and you know what they say about statistics....

[BGD 6,431]

What part of his analysis or methodology do you disagree with?

 

His sources are right there at the bottom of the article so you can go look at the raw numbers yourself if you're worried about some kind of partisan trickery.

[Paulnix 426]

I don't doubt his sources or raw numbers could be correct, just the fact is that people compiling statistics pick out the bits what they want them to show and leave out the bits they don't, that is their job, plus the fact that his own profession discredit his work doesn't help his credentials though he must hurt him more to think Labour doesn't rate him either.

[Nik_B 3,790]

I don't doubt his sources or raw numbers could be correct, just the fact is that people compiling statistics pick out the bits what they want them to show and leave out the bits they don't, that is their job, plus the fact that his own profession discredit his work doesn't help his credentials though he must hurt him more to think Labour doesn't rate him either.

 

Like removing the financial crisis from his data....ouch!

[BGD 6,431]

 

 

I don't doubt his sources or raw numbers could be correct, just the fact is that people compiling statistics pick out the bits what they want them to show and leave out the bits they don't, that is their job, plus the fact that his own profession discredit his work doesn't help his credentials though he must hurt him more to think Labour doesn't rate him either.

Like removing the financial crisis from his data....ouch!

Did you even read the article? He showed figures both including and excluding the financial crisis to show the effect it had.

 

 

Including

 

Excluding

 

As you can see Labour borrowed less whether you include the financial crisis or not.