Lidle Find

[lanesra 3,994]

 

 

just reading wiki,,,,and they are either black leopards or black jaguar ,,,,reading on it appears there are good populations of black leopards in some regions of the world...it also says there are no black puma,,,none have ever been recorded

 

wich begs a few questions,,,,asuming the black cats that are being reported are leopards,,,cos there the most common between jaguar and leopard,,,,wouldnt most of there kills be up trees??

 

or is the tree stashing ,,just african savana leopards that do it ,,protecting food from other big cats...genuin question??,,,a bit more reading i think

 

wow I,ve done a load to the scrap yard and a rubbish clearance this morning and it's still going, most of the black cats are melonistic leopards and yes a few deer up in the fork of a tree are found each year as are some killed and then buried which seems more of a puma trate, one of the best reports was from exmoor of a half eaten red deer up a tree, now that takes some shifting, wildlife parks often seem to get targeted as well have had a few reports of animals being killed and eaten inside there enclosure including a fully grown ostrich and a few have reported finding pug marks in the plant beds around the outside of the cat cages, summer time is now the worse time for sightings but September seems a really hot month especially for big kills, I think possibly they eat more smaller stuff in the summer with the abundance of baby animals in the woods, it's a puzzle I have to put together as I go because they don't exist so there are few books and no information, anyone else fancy a go the book I showed earlier has been a great help but there are still a lot of grey areas because the cats are in an alien environment to so they don't react excactly the same as on home turf anyway off out again for another rubbish job

dont know why your supprised its still going,,,its an intresting subject..

cracking thread , not everyone agreeing but at least civilised and interesting , I was told there wasn't a certain species where I am yet me and a mate spent a while looking for the said species & found , there's still some who couldn't find them so I'd never say never about big cats but like some have said unless you see them with your own eyes you'll always have doubts .

[TOMO 26,231]

just tried to pm you lanesra but your box is full

Edited April 20, 2017 by TOMO

[Greyman 28,508]

Can i just ask if ye put things which are a kbown size,like a metre stick for instance in view of camera traps?? I thinking bout setting a few haha

if you take the photo that started all this as a report IE the woman never went to the paper but contacted a group, they would enhance the photos as best as possible and take measurements between the ears ,along the back ,floor to shoulder etc then they would accertane were the photo was taken from and stick a cardboard cut out in its place and take more photo,s which will be overlaid on the original but then all you can do is give it a percentage of probability as there are no hard and fast rules, I usually try and put my cameras near a fence line or some other solid object for size comparisons, later in the year I,m going to try putting a road kill deer near my cameras to see if I can get something to feed in front the camera also if it's as big as the deer it could,nt really be a moggy, the biggest obstacle in all of this is the government and police disposing of much of the evidence if they were willing to admit it the mystery would be solved quick time

[Accip74 7,112]

I've had a read a few found in scotland and captured alive. None were black cats though. Escaped pets or zoo animals they reckon. One was spotted a few times over years and caught live years later. So it just shows they can be elusive. Very interesting topic.

Yes these do seem to be fact. So is it so unbelievable others remain at large?

[Greyman 28,508]

Grey man I'm in Wiltshire just up the road from you so if I could find the time I could have a look at the footage. Cheers

if you would like a peek and be the thl adjudicator I would be quite happy to meet up with you I collect scrap metal for part of my living so a trip to Wiltshire won't be a problem I also go fishing from time to time near the Caine hill flight on the k and A if your near there, if you would rather contact me through pm so as not to give your location away please feel free cheers

[Greyman 28,508]

 

I've had a read a few found in scotland and captured alive. None were black cats though. Escaped pets or zoo animals they reckon. One was spotted a few times over years and caught live years later. So it just shows they can be elusive. Very interesting topic.

Yes these do seem to be fact. So is it so unbelievable others remain at large?

I actually believe that if someone was willing to pay me for my time I could catch a live one but it would take all of your time releasing fox,s and badgers from your traps so it would have to be a full time job, also there is a big issue with smell, I rub horse shit in my hands and shoes when I go to my cameras, but it still takes a while for normal wildlife to accept it, the infa red illuminater is meant to be invisible to animals but I have seen to many animals react to them to believe that, I,ve had two cameras set at low level actually ripped off the post by badgers and deer do react to the light, it's best to set them a bit higher up facing down, and the longer you can leave them alone the better

[Lab 10,979]

 

 

I've had a read a few found in scotland and captured alive. None were black cats though. Escaped pets or zoo animals they reckon. One was spotted a few times over years and caught live years later. So it just shows they can be elusive. Very interesting topic.

Yes these do seem to be fact. So is it so unbelievable others remain at large?

I actually believe that if someone was willing to pay me for my time I could catch a live one but it would take all of your time releasing fox,s and badgers from your traps so it would have to be a full time job, also there is a big issue with smell, I rub horse shit in my hands and shoes when I go to my cameras, but it still takes a while for normal wildlife to accept it, the infa red illuminater is meant to be invisible to animals but I have seen to many animals react to them to believe that, I,ve had two cameras set at low level actually ripped off the post by badgers and deer do react to the light, it's best to set them a bit higher up facing down, and the longer you can leave them alone the better

I feel like I'm being a bit cheeky here mate but it's through genuine interest. Why do you think you could catch one and in all the years you've been doing this now you can't even get a photo that would prove 100% that some form of big cats are in the U.K.

Now I know that foxes, deer and badgers are very easy to follow on a day to day pattern. Most of them will follow the same path, roughly same times each day. Especially if there is a handy food source available.

Now I know that these types of cats don't need to kill the animal to eat it....so why can't you rope up maybe half a deer, out the way of anything that's going to eat it and point your camera directly at the bait and see what you get on camera.

I keep saying it but I'd happily be wrong to think we have some form of big cats living and 'breeding' in the uk. That would blow my mind.

[Greyman 28,508]

Greyman, your not Frank Tunbridge by any chance are you

 

know mate I,m not but I have met him and have to admire the amount of shit he,s willing to take by speaking to local radio stations and news papers, the guy has spent more years than some have been alive searching the country, for much of that time he was handicapped by the gear he was using like trail cameras with 35mm film and a trigger time that allows most animals to pass by before the picture is taken except sloths the advance in technology will be the undoing of this mystery and as I said a few pages ago, I think as thermal imagine equipment comes down in price we will all get to see one, another thing I think that has hampered people like frank is there willingness to travel all over the country following up leads, were as I have focused on one area that I new they are, it's a woodland covering around 15 miles from end to end, I know of several sites near me that have had enough cat sightings to make them viable and possibly easier than the wood I,m searching but the longer I spend there the more I learn about it and I won't be moving on until I get the proof I,m after, I also travel the main roads that cross the wood two or three times a week in the hope I may find a road kill as a body would be hard to deny though they just role out the normal excuse that it was an escapee, even though no one has reported loosing one, if anyone knows people that carry out deer surveys for the forestry people they are good people to speak to as they use decent thermal imaging and many have come forward about feline shapes they see in the dark, I take it you are a Gloucestershire resident? By some of your replys

[onion jonny 526]

a long time ago a woman came up to the north of scotland to do a search for big cats she didnt find any but found the remains or at least some parts of a carcase she took it to a museum as she and others thought it was the skull of a puma but it turned out to be just a cat , she then got gamekeepers to bring anybodies they found to her and she and others claim to have found a cat thats bigger than your average moggie she was given two kittens that a keeper came across and she had to keep then in an enclosure because they were wild, theres a book she wrote called kells cats or something like that, ps, i think she was a bit nutty.

[Greyman 28,508]

 

 

 

I've had a read a few found in scotland and captured alive. None were black cats though. Escaped pets or zoo animals they reckon. One was spotted a few times over years and caught live years later. So it just shows they can be elusive. Very interesting topic.

Yes these do seem to be fact. So is it so unbelievable others remain at large?

I actually believe that if someone was willing to pay me for my time I could catch a live one but it would take all of your time releasing fox,s and badgers from your traps so it would have to be a full time job, also there is a big issue with smell, I rub horse shit in my hands and shoes when I go to my cameras, but it still takes a while for normal wildlife to accept it, the infa red illuminater is meant to be invisible to animals but I have seen to many animals react to them to believe that, I,ve had two cameras set at low level actually ripped off the post by badgers and deer do react to the light, it's best to set them a bit higher up facing down, and the longer you can leave them alone the better

I feel like I'm being a bit cheeky here mate but it's through genuine interest. Why do you think you could catch one and in all the years you've been doing this now you can't even get a photo that would prove 100% that some form of big cats are in the U.K.

Now I know that foxes, deer and badgers are very easy to follow on a day to day pattern. Most of them will follow the same path, roughly same times each day. Especially if there is a handy food source available.

Now I know that these types of cats don't need to kill the animal to eat it....so why can't you rope up maybe half a deer, out the way of anything that's going to eat it and point your camera directly at the bait and see what you get on camera.

I keep saying it but I'd happily be wrong to think we have some form of big cats living and 'breeding' in the uk. That would blow my mind.

not being cheeky at all mate it's a bold statement to make, I,ve always had a mild interest as there have always been lots of sightings and the beast of Bodmin and exmoor and so on in the southwest were I,ve always lived I,ve also spent many years carp fishing in places people don't normally carp fish like rivers and drains on the Somerset levels and canals all over the south and a lot of people have told me of big cats on the land around normally as a warning because I,m rough camping in the middle of no where then three years ago I found a deer on my normal walk that was killed and stripped to the bone leaving just a head and shoulder in tact though the face had bite marks in sadly I never carried a camera so took no pictures but new what had killed it as it was still soft and dripping with blood plus the long grass it was in kind of drew a picture of what had happened so I started buying odd cameras and getting them at chrimbo and bdays I was just sticking them everywhere and anywere in the hope of getting a picture, since January this year I have slowly been moving them all closer in on an area I thought they were using and I finally got a picture, but the knowledge through mostly mistakes with the odd little bit of success that I,ve gained leads me to believe that I know we're they are at certain times of the year so I think a baited trap would eventually lead to a capture but as I get no end of fox and badgers on the cameras I would obviously need to free them twice a day, I am planning on putting a deer carcass up in front of one but they are a long climb up a steep gorge and I'm not really meant to be there even without a deer on my back so that's were I am at the moment also the foliage is growing so fast the cameras keep getting covered and the more I touch them the more smell I leave which is another reason summer is the worse time for it I will probably go for a deer bait on one in September when all the solar powered ramblers feck off home and the land I,m filming on is shut up for the winter again as a camera in a bush is a bit more discreet than a deer strung up in a tree, I,ve had a great winter learning and it's a bit of a gutter summer is here in a way but I'm sure I,ll manage to enjoy it

[CushtyJook 1,097]

So is socks meeting to vouch the photo or not

[Greyman 28,508]

So is socks meeting to vouch the photo or not

just pm,d him he's a bit of a way but I will make the effort to go up when we both have a spare day hopefully within the next couple of weeks, you must have seen something or heard a few tales as you move around in simular areas to me mate and if you spent time near woodchester it's almost a local mascot up there the five valleys beast, I,ve probably seen more footage from around that area than anywere else, though the Forest of Dean is pretty rich for sightings but were the feck would you start looking in there cheers

[Greyman 28,508]

a long time ago a woman came up to the north of scotland to do a search for big cats she didnt find any but found the remains or at least some parts of a carcase she took it to a museum as she and others thought it was the skull of a puma but it turned out to be just a cat , she then got gamekeepers to bring anybodies they found to her and she and others claim to have found a cat thats bigger than your average moggie she was given two kittens that a keeper came across and she had to keep then in an enclosure because they were wild, theres a book she wrote called kells cats or something like that, ps, i think she was a bit nutty.

being a bit nuts is probably a good thing when your looking for a needle in a haystack

[lanesra 3,994]

just tried to pm you lanesra but your box is full

Just deleted a couple so it should be ok now mate .

[CushtyJook 1,097]

 

So is socks meeting to vouch the photo or not

just pm,d him he's a bit of a way but I will make the effort to go up when we both have a spare day hopefully within the next couple of weeks, you must have seen something or heard a few tales as you move around in simular areas to me mate and if you spent time near woodchester it's almost a local mascot up there the five valleys beast, I,ve probably seen more footage from around that area than anywere else, though the Forest of Dean is pretty rich for sightings but were the feck would you start looking in there cheers

I've seen a large black cat but put it down to domestic and that was no where near Stroud it was more almonsdbury litterly on the edge of a housing estate and slipped away very quietly but do I personally believe in big pumas jaguars no I don't I can tell you a few things about the deer at woodchester my lurcher at the time I stopped right by there for around three years and my dog would go out and kill deer overnight and come back with all sorts one night came back with a whole calfs leg and a roe fawn it was so quiet where I was it wasn't unusual to see badgers in the middle of the day I'm open to here about people like you who actively pursue them however and wouldn't be suprised either