Lidle Find

[king 11,972]

Can't you press pause on the best part of the video and take a picture then put it up Greyman.

[DogMan85 722]

 

 

 

 

 

You'd have thought our own Foxhounds would have put a few up but strangely no.....

You'd have thought but then although they are basically right for the job in practice I could be persuaded that they would avoid such a foreign beasty. Now, those Biggerstaff hounds are born and bred Cougar/African Leopard hounds, those fuckers aren't bred to shy away from such quarry. From what I've seen of them on social media, they're as serious about hound work and hunting as anyone!

"For us it begins and ends with the hounds. They are our life and our passion. Our breeding program is simple- best to the best. If a dog wont put his nose down or doesnt have the heart and grit to hunt day after day they dont make the cut, no matter how pretty they are. We do not raise registered hounds we raise working hounds. These are not show dogs they are hard working trained professionals who have made our living for the last 15 years."

 

Any hounds that work in Zim' get my respect.

I don't even necessarily mean if they tried to work it, surely there's a great chance they would have put one up whilst in pursuit of fox. I can accept that a few might have escaped or been released some years back but I just don't believe we have a population of now wild cats roaming our lands.

I suppose you got to ask yourself, what is acceptable as being a big cat. Will one of those jungle cats suffice? Not exactly a beast is it! Maybe a lynx, or has it gotta a be a Leopard?

I suppose the first two ain't exactly "that shocking discovery" that will leave us all dumbfounded. The first two are seen as much more of a possibility, ain't they.

Even when it comes to finding a mate and breeding. Chances are slim ain't they. But those jungle cats. Would they happily breed with a feral? If so, could some of the offspring come out pure black? A black cat, noticeably bigger than your normal moggy.

To the normal Joe soap, if he saw one. What would he think it was?

To me, this seems very plausible. Leopards etc, I'm not so convinced, but I'd like nothing more than to be proven wrong.

If you want to get really technical even a Cougar doesn't cut it as a Big Cat.

You've said that a few times on this thread now, are you covering yourself?......."ah well, it wasn't technically a big cat, I was right all along........." Haha....

No, if it's a Cougar I will accept it. Bet it isn't though..... ?

[mackem 26,863]

 

But then you've got to think of this, these animals woul have been tamed. They would not be fearful of humans so why was non discovered by people out walking?

I've been in contact with a 3/4 grown cheetah that was hand reared, but still very unpredictable & scary at that age!

 

I sort of handled a 6 month old lion cub the other week,wouldnt like to have pissed it off,and the same day I stroked some 11 month old tigers which could have done serious damage if they werent in a good mood,small wonder some people suddenly found they had bought more than they could handle

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Stroking pussys is fraut with danger mate .

[peterhunter86 8,627]

 

 

 

 

You'd have thought our own Foxhounds would have put a few up but strangely no.....

You'd have thought but then although they are basically right for the job in practice I could be persuaded that they would avoid such a foreign beasty. Now, those Biggerstaff hounds are born and bred Cougar/African Leopard hounds, those fuckers aren't bred to shy away from such quarry. From what I've seen of them on social media, they're as serious about hound work and hunting as anyone!

"For us it begins and ends with the hounds. They are our life and our passion. Our breeding program is simple- best to the best. If a dog wont put his nose down or doesnt have the heart and grit to hunt day after day they dont make the cut, no matter how pretty they are. We do not raise registered hounds we raise working hounds. These are not show dogs they are hard working trained professionals who have made our living for the last 15 years."

 

Any hounds that work in Zim' get my respect.

I don't even mean if they tried to work it, surely there's a great chance they would have put one up whilst in pursuit of fox. I can accept that a few might have escaped or been released some years back but I just don't believe we have a population of now wild cats roaming our lands.

How do you they haven't?

I couldn't possibly tell either way.........too many packs, too many hounds, too many days to even begin to fathom what has happened on every hunting day & what stories have been told for the last 20 years.

I don't want stories I want strong evidence to support the claims. If I knew of an area where a Big Cat was and my intentions were to confirm it I'd be buying the equipment to do so. Near enough every camera now is HD and plenty are 4K, these gadgets are not even expensive anymore. Walking the land with an old 1 MP camera just don't cut it I'm afraid and is nothing but a cop-out IMO.

 

 

theres more evidence of big cats been out there than there is of you been at that racecourse.

[Accip74 7,112]

 

 

But then you've got to think of this, these animals woul have been tamed. They would not be fearful of humans so why was non discovered by people out walking?

 

I've been in contact with a 3/4 grown cheetah that was hand reared, but still very unpredictable & scary at that age!

I sort of handled a 6 month old lion cub the other week,wouldnt like to have pissed it off,and the same day I stroked some 11 month old tigers which could have done serious damage if they werent in a good mood,small wonder some people suddenly found they had bought more than they could handle

Well that tops my Cheetah story :-)

 

Rather you than me mate.......I don't trust those things.

 

My ex helped hand rear that cheetah & I'd been around it quite a bit, but the last time....I had to back out of the enclosure sharpish! & that was it for me...haha

Edited April 28, 2017 by Accip74

[DogMan85 722]

 

 

 

 

 

You'd have thought our own Foxhounds would have put a few up but strangely no.....

You'd have thought but then although they are basically right for the job in practice I could be persuaded that they would avoid such a foreign beasty. Now, those Biggerstaff hounds are born and bred Cougar/African Leopard hounds, those fuckers aren't bred to shy away from such quarry. From what I've seen of them on social media, they're as serious about hound work and hunting as anyone!

"For us it begins and ends with the hounds. They are our life and our passion. Our breeding program is simple- best to the best. If a dog wont put his nose down or doesnt have the heart and grit to hunt day after day they dont make the cut, no matter how pretty they are. We do not raise registered hounds we raise working hounds. These are not show dogs they are hard working trained professionals who have made our living for the last 15 years."

 

Any hounds that work in Zim' get my respect.

I don't even mean if they tried to work it, surely there's a great chance they would have put one up whilst in pursuit of fox. I can accept that a few might have escaped or been released some years back but I just don't believe we have a population of now wild cats roaming our lands.

How do you they haven't?

I couldn't possibly tell either way.........too many packs, too many hounds, too many days to even begin to fathom what has happened on every hunting day & what stories have been told for the last 20 years.

I don't want stories I want strong evidence to support the claims. If I knew of an area where a Big Cat was and my intentions were to confirm it I'd be buying the equipment to do so. Near enough every camera now is HD and plenty are 4K, these gadgets are not even expensive anymore. Walking the land with an old 1 MP camera just don't cut it I'm afraid and is nothing but a cop-out IMO.

theres more evidence of big cats been out there than there is of you been at that racecourse.

If I wanted your opinion I'll throw you a banana.......

[stumfelter 3,034]

 

 

 

 

 

You'd have thought our own Foxhounds would have put a few up but strangely no.....

You'd have thought but then although they are basically right for the job in practice I could be persuaded that they would avoid such a foreign beasty. Now, those Biggerstaff hounds are born and bred Cougar/African Leopard hounds, those fuckers aren't bred to shy away from such quarry. From what I've seen of them on social media, they're as serious about hound work and hunting as anyone!

"For us it begins and ends with the hounds. They are our life and our passion. Our breeding program is simple- best to the best. If a dog wont put his nose down or doesnt have the heart and grit to hunt day after day they dont make the cut, no matter how pretty they are. We do not raise registered hounds we raise working hounds. These are not show dogs they are hard working trained professionals who have made our living for the last 15 years."

 

Any hounds that work in Zim' get my respect.

I don't even mean if they tried to work it, surely there's a great chance they would have put one up whilst in pursuit of fox. I can accept that a few might have escaped or been released some years back but I just don't believe we have a population of now wild cats roaming our lands.

How do you they haven't?

I couldn't possibly tell either way.........too many packs, too many hounds, too many days to even begin to fathom what has happened on every hunting day & what stories have been told for the last 20 years.

I don't want stories I want strong evidence to support the claims. If I knew of an area where a Big Cat was and my intentions were to confirm it I'd be buying the equipment to do so. Near enough every camera now is HD and plenty are 4K, these gadgets are not even expensive anymore. Walking the land with an old 1 MP camera just don't cut it I'm afraid and is nothing but a cop-out IMO.

theres more evidence of big cats been out there than there is of you been at that racecourse.

All the technology available today and all we got was a grainy picture of a rail, if I was driving a good way to pummel somebody into oblivion I'd want an HD or 4K camera because there not even expensive anymore. Edited April 28, 2017 by stumfelter

[DogMan85 722]

 

 

 

 

 

 

You'd have thought our own Foxhounds would have put a few up but strangely no.....

You'd have thought but then although they are basically right for the job in practice I could be persuaded that they would avoid such a foreign beasty. Now, those Biggerstaff hounds are born and bred Cougar/African Leopard hounds, those fuckers aren't bred to shy away from such quarry. From what I've seen of them on social media, they're as serious about hound work and hunting as anyone!

"For us it begins and ends with the hounds. They are our life and our passion. Our breeding program is simple- best to the best. If a dog wont put his nose down or doesnt have the heart and grit to hunt day after day they dont make the cut, no matter how pretty they are. We do not raise registered hounds we raise working hounds. These are not show dogs they are hard working trained professionals who have made our living for the last 15 years."

 

Any hounds that work in Zim' get my respect.

I don't even mean if they tried to work it, surely there's a great chance they would have put one up whilst in pursuit of fox. I can accept that a few might have escaped or been released some years back but I just don't believe we have a population of now wild cats roaming our lands.

How do you they haven't?

I couldn't possibly tell either way.........too many packs, too many hounds, too many days to even begin to fathom what has happened on every hunting day & what stories have been told for the last 20 years.

I don't want stories I want strong evidence to support the claims. If I knew of an area where a Big Cat was and my intentions were to confirm it I'd be buying the equipment to do so. Near enough every camera now is HD and plenty are 4K, these gadgets are not even expensive anymore. Walking the land with an old 1 MP camera just don't cut it I'm afraid and is nothing but a cop-out IMO.

theres more evidence of big cats been out there than there is of you been at that racecourse.

All the technology available today and all we got was a grainy picture of a rail, if I was driving a good way to pummel somebody into oblivion I'd want an HD or 4K camera because there not even expensive anymore.

You can't even afford a brain let alone a 4K Camera....... ?

[peterhunter86 8,627]

But hes right dm you should of brought a good camera for all we know you could of captured a big cat behind that rail and we cant see it because of the crap camera.

[DogMan85 722]

But hes right dm you should of brought a good camera for all we know you could of captured a big cat behind that rail and we cant see it because of the crap camera.

Samsung S7 pal, UHD.......

[beast 1,884]

I bought the "Cat Country" book off the back of this discussion and read through it yesterday. Obviously dated, but given that it focuses on the 70s into early 80s, I'd say a lot of the sightings could be genuine as that would have been the period some cats would have been turfed out following the legislative changes. Not very relevant nearly 40 years later though.

 

Having said that, some of the locations near Inverness are known to me and a good friend lives in Cannich where the puma was cage trapped. Not much in the way of genuine sightings up that was now by all accounts.

 

The book is a nice throw back to a genuinely interesting era if anyone is looking for a read (ignoring the rubbish about the possibility of a native race of cats living undetected in the UK).

 

Novice

Could you put up a picture from that book please. The one where the tabby looking creature is up on its back legs and the domestic cat standing up as a comparison? That is the picture in all the years since I read that book which keeps coming back to me as being very hard to explain

[beast 1,884]

 

 

 

 

Anyone else ever seen wild wallabies in the UK? There was a small colony of them in Derbyshire (I think) that had escaped from a zoo. I saw them as a kid with Scouts.

 

If that can happen I wouldn't be surprised the same thing could have happened with big cats.

Theres some great footage of youtube showing wallabies all over the UK,crystal clear film leaving no boudt whatsoever they live,survive maybe even thrive in the UK,sadly no such irrefutable evidence of cats,any grainy long distance or shaky footage/pics is always a little ambiguous.

any body ever go to whippsnade wildlife park,,,near luton,,,,,i was there quite regular a few years ago,,,,,,where you drive in there is just a barrier like on a car park,,,no cattle grid or anything,,loads of wallaby in there,,,,and i dare say loads round about,,,,i bet theres a few other bits and bobs local ,,possibly Mara as well.....incidently i know someone that has had a Mara with a dog ,,,,but somewhere else in the country

I know Whipsnade and the surrounding area very well some great walks like Ivinghoe and Ashridge get nearby. There are certainly escapees for example the local golf course has a few resident wallabies but even though they are half tame and dozens of golfers go through there every day they rarely see them. I have seen Mara roundabouts and also water deer though these may be genuine wild stock or escapees it's impossible to tell. Edited April 28, 2017 by beast

[novice 25]

 

I bought the "Cat Country" book off the back of this discussion and read through it yesterday. Obviously dated, but given that it focuses on the 70s into early 80s, I'd say a lot of the sightings could be genuine as that would have been the period some cats would have been turfed out following the legislative changes. Not very relevant nearly 40 years later though.

 

Having said that, some of the locations near Inverness are known to me and a good friend lives in Cannich where the puma was cage trapped. Not much in the way of genuine sightings up that was now by all accounts.

 

The book is a nice throw back to a genuinely interesting era if anyone is looking for a read (ignoring the rubbish about the possibility of a native race of cats living undetected in the UK).

 

Novice

Could you put up a picture from that book please. The one where the tabby looking creature is up on its back legs and the domestic cat standing up as a comparison? That is the picture in all the years since I read that book which keeps coming back to me as being very hard to explain

Will try when I get a min. Felt that pic was just a large adult feral rather than a juvenile anything else TBH.

 

Novice

[tilimangro 1,013]

Apart from the paw prints I didnt feel her pics were conclusive

I liked her ideas that it may be a new species

There's a Japanese species of wild cat only discovered in 1965

There was a cat videod near me in 2003 that they attributed to Iberian lynx or something