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[Greyman 28,507]

So nessie might not be a myth after all lol

I saw it once but don't want the fuss so I didn't tell anyone.......

yes on your telly were you get all your facts from cheers

Can you show me any facts you've collected over the years then, serious question?

I,m not a very technical type I,m sorry, I,ve bought a gadget to put the pictures on my iPad so I can share them easier, but as its not made by Apple the iPad seems to be rejecting it so at the moment it's a know, but if you are interested and have a tenner to spare this is a pretty good read,with a few good pictures, lastly most of the people I have met that collect data and evidence on this subject are far more intellectual and academic than me, IE biologists, university professors, photography experts and the like, my only strength in it all is the fact I,m out there and doing it, I put my cameras were I want to when I want to a bit like poaching pictures, of the seven cameras I,m running at the moment only one is on land I have permission to be, the academics can't do this as the risk to there reputation and funding is to great, if and when I get anything I send it to them for analysis as they have the resources and skills to do this, it seems to work out OK for everyone concerned and before long I think an overwhelming case will be brought forward and then maybe it will be presented to the rest of the world, like I said from the start all I set out to do was prove it to myself, here's a little taster so you don't think I'm all shit, the deer is a typical cat kill killed stripped out and eaten in one sitting, the paw print with the phone is one I took the other two are taken inside a puma cage so there can be know confusion make of it what you will, but I,m sure if you live a full and active life you will get to see one as the numbers are getting greater every year as is the equipment we have to see them with I,m really off now cheers

If you knew about tracks you would know those are of dog.

sadly I do can you spot the difference this is a very big dog two of the ones I just showed you were taken inside a puma s cage I don't think there was a dog in there with them sorry mate but you just are never going to accept it are you so I,ll save my breath

The one with the phone is a dog track pal, I can get technical if you like.

you will probably mention it has its claws out and cats keep there claws in when walking, that's true unless walking in mud or ice or other slippery surfaces, if you zoom right in you will see three lobes on the back of the rear pad a dog only has two, if you look down the claw marks they are straight down spikes unlike a dog and the easiest one in the world is that a cats foot is wider than it is long were as a dogs is longer than it is wide but please do go all technical on me, as I,m now beginning to loose the will to live

 

Greyman is your evidence enough for you to know exactly what species it is?

I done a quick google search earlier & the first thing that came up was a Lynx caught in 2001 & donated to a zoo. They think that may of been around for several years north of London. So the likely hood of lynx being out there at least, seems quite reasonable.

definately not a Lynx though there are a few of them round here I had one reported to me a few weeks ago by a guy out lamping another one a friend of mine saw climbing down a cliff in a quarry when he flicked a lamp on at night as it was stuck on a cliff face it could not run off sadly this was almost 30 years ago and he had no means of recording it because it took about 20 mins to make its way down to the bottom the one I have has a full tail as long as it's body and looks sandy brown in colour so probably puma, unless we go down the road of feline hybrids which are quite common, Scottish wildcats and domestic moggies or ligers are just two examples of that

No, big cats like the Puma have a pronounced front toe which is further forward than the other, they are not really aligned like a dogs. You can determine which paw print you are looking at this by looking at the two front toes.http://www.bear-tracker.com/caninevsfeline.html

mate reproducing an old bit of literature like that is,nt really going technical on my ass is it, if the cat was walking in a straight line on perfect ground you may have a slight chance but if it had just jumped a muddy puddle pursuing deer there's a very slight chance it may not land in perfect alignment sorry but I have to stop now for real, just to throw a spanner in the works last year I was one of a few people in England to see a bearded vulture flying along the Severn estuary near aust I have know photos and no witnesses so did I see it or not???

 

So now you're making the wild claim that the cat was in pursuit of deer and had jumped a muddy puddle, I can post tons of pics of Cougars, Leopards etc with their toes set forward if you need me to?

 

Listen man I'm a massive fan of Big Cats myself, as a youngster instead of playing with Lego I had my head in the books of predator books which were mainly of Big Cats and Sharks.

being as your the biggest big cat fan but the strongest disbeliever I have ever met I will make this one off offer to you I live in Bristol right alongside the m5 motorway, I don't have a clue were you are but if you are ever in the area let me know I will meet up with you and show you my video, if you think that what your looking at is the same as all the other people that have seen it you will understand in full why I am so reluctant to allow it in to the public domain but don't turn up in the 4x4 loaded with lads and lurchers or I,ll walk on by will that do it for you?

[DogMan85 722]

 

 

Id laugh my cock off if gm puts up a pic-still wouldn't be enough for some folk lol-I understand why he don't want too-picked apart by the non believers.over the yrs I've heard plenty say that this and that can't be done...only to prove it in front of them lol.have faith .atb dc

So why don't he do it then? It really is that simple. If I was trying to prove their existence over here and had the evidence and photos I'd prove it.

your the type that would enjoy the pat on the back lol-not everyone's looking for 5 mins of fame .atb dc

What a cop-out, he's doing it for a hobby and telling everyone about it so the least he can do is show us the goods. ?

[DogMan85 722]

 

So nessie might not be a myth after all lol

I saw it once but don't want the fuss so I didn't tell anyone.......

yes on your telly were you get all your facts from cheers

Can you show me any facts you've collected over the years then, serious question?

I,m not a very technical type I,m sorry, I,ve bought a gadget to put the pictures on my iPad so I can share them easier, but as its not made by Apple the iPad seems to be rejecting it so at the moment it's a know, but if you are interested and have a tenner to spare this is a pretty good read,with a few good pictures, lastly most of the people I have met that collect data and evidence on this subject are far more intellectual and academic than me, IE biologists, university professors, photography experts and the like, my only strength in it all is the fact I,m out there and doing it, I put my cameras were I want to when I want to a bit like poaching pictures, of the seven cameras I,m running at the moment only one is on land I have permission to be, the academics can't do this as the risk to there reputation and funding is to great, if and when I get anything I send it to them for analysis as they have the resources and skills to do this, it seems to work out OK for everyone concerned and before long I think an overwhelming case will be brought forward and then maybe it will be presented to the rest of the world, like I said from the start all I set out to do was prove it to myself, here's a little taster so you don't think I'm all shit, the deer is a typical cat kill killed stripped out and eaten in one sitting, the paw print with the phone is one I took the other two are taken inside a puma cage so there can be know confusion make of it what you will, but I,m sure if you live a full and active life you will get to see one as the numbers are getting greater every year as is the equipment we have to see them with I,m really off now cheers

If you knew about tracks you would know those are of dog.

sadly I do can you spot the difference this is a very big dog two of the ones I just showed you were taken inside a puma s cage I don't think there was a dog in there with them sorry mate but you just are never going to accept it are you so I,ll save my breath

The one with the phone is a dog track pal, I can get technical if you like.

you will probably mention it has its claws out and cats keep there claws in when walking, that's true unless walking in mud or ice or other slippery surfaces, if you zoom right in you will see three lobes on the back of the rear pad a dog only has two, if you look down the claw marks they are straight down spikes unlike a dog and the easiest one in the world is that a cats foot is wider than it is long were as a dogs is longer than it is wide but please do go all technical on me, as I,m now beginning to loose the will to live

 

Greyman is your evidence enough for you to know exactly what species it is?

I done a quick google search earlier & the first thing that came up was a Lynx caught in 2001 & donated to a zoo. They think that may of been around for several years north of London. So the likely hood of lynx being out there at least, seems quite reasonable.

definately not a Lynx though there are a few of them round here I had one reported to me a few weeks ago by a guy out lamping another one a friend of mine saw climbing down a cliff in a quarry when he flicked a lamp on at night as it was stuck on a cliff face it could not run off sadly this was almost 30 years ago and he had no means of recording it because it took about 20 mins to make its way down to the bottom the one I have has a full tail as long as it's body and looks sandy brown in colour so probably puma, unless we go down the road of feline hybrids which are quite common, Scottish wildcats and domestic moggies or ligers are just two examples of that

No, big cats like the Puma have a pronounced front toe which is further forward than the other, they are not really aligned like a dogs. You can determine which paw print you are looking at this by looking at the two front toes.http://www.bear-tracker.com/caninevsfeline.html

mate reproducing an old bit of literature like that is,nt really going technical on my ass is it, if the cat was walking in a straight line on perfect ground you may have a slight chance but if it had just jumped a muddy puddle pursuing deer there's a very slight chance it may not land in perfect alignment sorry but I have to stop now for real, just to throw a spanner in the works last year I was one of a few people in England to see a bearded vulture flying along the Severn estuary near aust I have know photos and no witnesses so did I see it or not???

 

So now you're making the wild claim that the cat was in pursuit of deer and had jumped a muddy puddle, I can post tons of pics of Cougars, Leopards etc with their toes set forward if you need me to?

 

Listen man I'm a massive fan of Big Cats myself, as a youngster instead of playing with Lego I had my head in the books of predator books which were mainly of Big Cats and Sharks.

being as your the biggest big cat fan but the strongest disbeliever I have ever met I will make this one off offer to you I live in Bristol right alongside the m5 motorway, I don't have a clue were you are but if you are ever in the area let me know I will meet up with you and show you my video, if you think that what your looking at is the same as all the other people that have seen it you will understand in full why I am so reluctant to allow it in to the public domain but don't turn up in the 4x4 loaded with lads and lurchers or I,ll walk on by will that do it for you?

 

Can you send me the video via PM or on my phone? I won't show anyone else you have my word and I'll give you my honest opinion.

[socks 32,253]

Well I am on greymans side I've been in the countryside and seen and experienced enough and talked to enough genuine folk to make me believe there are indeed big cats out there .......

[kanny 20,618]

 

 

 

 

Id laugh my cock off if gm puts up a pic-still wouldn't be enough for some folk lol-I understand why he don't want too-picked apart by the non believers.over the yrs I've heard plenty say that this and that can't be done...only to prove it in front of them lol.have faith .atb dc

So why don't he do it then? It really is that simple. If I was trying to prove their existence over here and had the evidence and photos I'd prove it.

your the type that would enjoy the pat on the back lol-not everyone's looking for 5 mins of fame .atb dc

What a cop-out, he's doing it for a hobby and telling everyone about it so the least he can do is show us the goods. ?

Chill out man ....greyman is not hurting anyone maybe he just wants to publish his own findings in his own time and for the record and I've said this before I've seen a big ish black cat definitely not a Moggie but not a panther either something in between I watched it through night vision walk its way up a hedgerow its back brushed against a Briar that was above my knee when I checked it after it had gone.

[Lab 10,979]

I've never wanted to see a video so much in my life now. That's your pad video put back to 2nd place now Dogman...???

[DogMan85 722]

 

 

 

 

 

Id laugh my cock off if gm puts up a pic-still wouldn't be enough for some folk lol-I understand why he don't want too-picked apart by the non believers.over the yrs I've heard plenty say that this and that can't be done...only to prove it in front of them lol.have faith .atb dc

So why don't he do it then? It really is that simple. If I was trying to prove their existence over here and had the evidence and photos I'd prove it.

your the type that would enjoy the pat on the back lol-not everyone's looking for 5 mins of fame .atb dc

What a cop-out, he's doing it for a hobby and telling everyone about it so the least he can do is show us the goods. ?

Chill out man greyman is not hurting anyone maybe he just wants to publish his own findings in his own time and for the record and I've said this before I've seen a big ish black cat definitely not a Moggie but not a panther either something in between I watched it through night vision walk its way up a hedgerow its back brushed against a Briar that was above my knee when I checked it after it had gone.

I'm not getting on at him, I admire him for what he's doing tbh but the way he's going about things leaves me in big doubt of his authenticity.

[Daniel cain 45,558]

Why would anyone come on here and dig themselves a big hole by telling porkies fred? .atb dc

[DogMan85 722]

Why would anyone come on here and dig themselves a big hole by telling porkies fred? .atb dc

It's an everyday occurrence Frank don't give me that..... ??

[Greyman 28,507]

Well I am on greymans side I've been in the countryside and seen and experien ced enough and talked to enough genuine folk to make me believe there are indeed big cats out there .......[/quote) cheers socks appreciate that

[Greyman 28,507]

 

Why would anyone come on here and dig themselves a big hole by telling porkies fred? .atb dc

It's an everyday occurrence Frank don't give me that.....

but I have offered to show you the video in person why would I do that if I never had it, I just don't want it going online for the sake of my own piece and quiet and the protection of the creature in question, you say if you had proof you would whack it out everywhere, but how would you feel when some jumped up little trophy hunter turned up and killed it on the back of all your hard work and big mouth, I know what my reaction would be goodnight

[DogMan85 722]

 

 

Why would anyone come on here and dig themselves a big hole by telling porkies fred? .atb dc

It's an everyday occurrence Frank don't give me that.....

but I have offered to show you the video in person why would I do that if I never had it, I just don't want it going online for the sake of my own piece and quiet and the protection of the creature in question, you say if you had proof you would whack it out everywhere, but how would you feel when some jumped up little trophy hunter turned up and killed it on the back of all your hard work and big mouth, I know what my reaction would be goodnight

Showing someone a video doesn't tell them where it is though does it? Don't worry I don't need to know the location of this video mate.

 

Snapchat it me then pal, that way the video only plays for a few seconds and it deletes automatically.

[gnasher16 30,142]

Nobody has called the chap a liar i think folk have been quite civil to him all things considered.......i remember folk ripping that lad Frankie to bits on some of the God topics because he couldnt come up with " evidence " yet this chap Greyman has evidence but wont show it......it leaves a slightly bitter taste in the mouth when somebody makes such an important statement to other countryside enthusiasts but then claims he only wanted to prove it to himself........why say it then ? why not just be content with your own findings......i agree with the chap who said either put up or shut up it sounds harsh and ill tempered but its the standard ending to many controversial claims im afraid.

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[Greyman 28,507]

 

 

 

Why would anyone come on here and dig themselves a big hole by telling porkies fred? .atb dc

It's an everyday occurrence Frank don't give me that.....

but I have offered to show you the video in person why would I do that if I never had it, I just don't want it going online for the sake of my own piece and quiet and the protection of the creature in question, you say if you had proof you would whack it out everywhere, but how would you feel when some jumped up little trophy hunter turned up and killed it on the back of all your hard work and big mouth, I know what my reaction would be goodnight

Showing someone a video doesn't tell them where it is though does it? Don't worry I don't need to know the location of this video mate.

Snapchat it me then pal, that way the video only plays for a few seconds and it deletes automatically.

that is my phone in the photo next to the paw print do you really think I have a clue about snap chatting, but one thing I do know is that my kids often grab snapchats so they can show them again, I may be older and slower than I once was but I,m nobody,s fool mate so for that reason I,m out, night

[Tiercel 6,986]

Nobody has called the chap a liar i think folk have been quite civil to him all things considered.......i remember folk ripping that lad Frankie to bits on some of the God topics because he couldnt come up with " evidence " yet this chap Greyman has evidence but wont show it......it leaves a slightly bitter taste in the mouth when somebody makes such an important statement to other countryside enthusiasts but then claims he only wanted to prove it to himself........why say it then ? why not just be content with your own findings......i agree with the chap who said either put up or shut up it sounds harsh and ill tempered but its the standard ending to many controversial claims im afraid.

What a load of crap, Gnash you are normally well balanced, but this is way out. Read the thread again he was asked if he had any photo's, he did not volunteer the fact. The reason he gives for not posting the pictures is a valid reason, any picture that is posted on the net can be copied, except if you have right click disabled on the image, this site does not allow you to do that. So in fact what he would actually be doing would be giving away his intellectual rights to the picture, as who would pay for a picture that is free on the net?

 

Not ever seeing a "big cat" myself I am sceptical, but that does not mean that I disbelieve Greyman. He has the integrity that only age can bring. Myself I am willing to stay sceptical and wait for the pictures to be published. Even then I suspect I will still be sceptical as how can you trust photo's? Now if I seen them with my own eyes or on my camera that would be a different story, the same as it is for greyman.

 

TC