Lidle Find

[gnasher16 30,265]

 

 

I've proven it to myself with out doubt why would I want to put my self through all the shit,

For the same reason you have written literally thousands of words on this topic about it......passion for the subject !.......its human nature to want to be right about something your passionate about but unfortunately that desire to be right creates bias........don't get me wrong i admire folk who pursue the truth and you seem to be doing a great job but the whole " im not telling " thing is where it all falls down i mean what is there a prize at the end or something and that's why you wont tell/show ..... its a smashing little hobby to have but i think thats all it really seems to be........a hobby.

To be fair he has said he's shown at least 20 people? Which if true, is not such a big secret. I can understand not going 'public' as it were, I doubt I would like public scrutiny myself.

 

Why ....i mean what better place to share such an interesting discovery than amongst folk with a common interest in the countryside .....or like i say is there an individual prize/reward to be gained from such " evidence " ?..........i mean its not like finding Shergar i can understand keeping a low one on that and with every respect the chap Greyman is starting to get a bit arsey and defensive with people which just isnt necessary when you have factual evidence.

Edited April 19, 2017 by gnasher16

[DogMan85 722]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So nessie might not be a myth after all lol

I saw it once but don't want the fuss so I didn't tell anyone.......

yes on your telly were you get all your facts from cheers

Can you show me any facts you've collected over the years then, serious question?

I,m not a very technical type I,m sorry, I,ve bought a gadget to put the pictures on my iPad so I can share them easier, but as its not made by Apple the iPad seems to be rejecting it so at the moment it's a know, but if you are interested and have a tenner to spare this is a pretty good read,with a few good pictures, lastly most of the people I have met that collect data and evidence on this subject are far more intellectual and academic than me, IE biologists, university professors, photography experts and the like, my only strength in it all is the fact I,m out there and doing it, I put my cameras were I want to when I want to a bit like poaching pictures, of the seven cameras I,m running at the moment only one is on land I have permission to be, the academics can't do this as the risk to there reputation and funding is to great, if and when I get anything I send it to them for analysis as they have the resources and skills to do this, it seems to work out OK for everyone concerned and before long I think an overwhelming case will be brought forward and then maybe it will be presented to the rest of the world, like I said from the start all I set out to do was prove it to myself, here's a little taster so you don't think I'm all shit, the deer is a typical cat kill killed stripped out and eaten in one sitting, the paw print with the phone is one I took the other two are taken inside a puma cage so there can be know confusion make of it what you will, but I,m sure if you live a full and active life you will get to see one as the numbers are getting greater every year as is the equipment we have to see them with I,m really off now cheers

If you knew about tracks you would know those are of dog.

sadly I do can you spot the difference this is a very big dog two of the ones I just showed you were taken inside a puma s cage I don't think there was a dog in there with them sorry mate but you just are never going to accept it are you so I,ll save my breath

The one with the phone is a dog track pal, I can get technical if you like.

you will probably mention it has its claws out and cats keep there claws in when walking, that's true unless walking in mud or ice or other slippery surfaces, if you zoom right in you will see three lobes on the back of the rear pad a dog only has two, if you look down the claw marks they are straight down spikes unlike a dog and the easiest one in the world is that a cats foot is wider than it is long were as a dogs is longer than it is wide but please do go all technical on me, as I,m now beginning to loose the will to live

Greyman is your evidence enough for you to know exactly what species it is?

I done a quick google search earlier & the first thing that came up was a Lynx caught in 2001 & donated to a zoo. They think that may of been around for several years north of London. So the likely hood of lynx being out there at least, seems quite reasonable.

definately not a Lynx though there are a few of them round here I had one reported to me a few weeks ago by a guy out lamping another one a friend of mine saw climbing down a cliff in a quarry when he flicked a lamp on at night as it was stuck on a cliff face it could not run off sadly this was almost 30 years ago and he had no means of recording it because it took about 20 mins to make its way down to the bottom the one I have has a full tail as long as it's body and looks sandy brown in colour so probably puma, unless we go down the road of feline hybrids which are quite common, Scottish wildcats and domestic moggies or ligers are just two examples of that

No, big cats like the Puma have a pronounced front toe which is further forward than the other, they are not really aligned like a dogs. You can determine which paw print you are looking at this by looking at the two front toes.

 

http://www.bear-tracker.com/caninevsfeline.html

Edited April 19, 2017 by DogMan85

[Greyman 28,817]

I've proven it to myself with out doubt why would I want to put my self through all the shit,

For the same reason you have written literally thousands of words on this topic about it......passion for the subject !.......its human nature to want to be right about something your passionate about but unfortunately that desire to be right creates bias........don't get me wrong i admire folk who pursue the truth and you seem to be doing a great job but the whole " im not telling " thing is where it all falls down i mean what is there a prize at the end or something and that's why you wont tell/show ..... its a smashing little hobby to have but i think thats all it really seems to be........a hobby.[/quote) you are right gnasher it is just a hobby, I,ve said it before but I have hunted cooked and killed pretty much every living thing in the uk, most of what I,ve done in the past is now very illegal, but I was out there when badger digging was a Sunday morning sport, fox pelts were worth £25 a pop and if I walked down the street with my gun on my back the old folk would ask me for a rabbit on my way back, I have no interest in driving round in a 4x4 throwing dogs out the window or stood on the back with NV shooting anything that moves all the skil is gone and most people seem to be interested in gaining there five minutes of fame by sticking there life online for some short term adulation, I struggle with myself just chatting on here so now I have a bit more time in my life I needed a hobby and a challenge that would keep me interested so this is now what I do, and if one day it is accepted I may even be able to get work being paid for something I love doing who knows

[kanny 20,667]

Are these cameras OK then?... There's A lidl just across from where I work I might have a look at dinner.

been waiting for a answer ^ Bloody sold out now ...it's your fault dogman you had to mention big cats dint ya! Lol

[Greyman 28,817]

So nessie might not be a myth after all lol

I saw it once but don't want the fuss so I didn't tell anyone.......

yes on your telly were you get all your facts from cheers

Can you show me any facts you've collected over the years then, serious question?

I,m not a very technical type I,m sorry, I,ve bought a gadget to put the pictures on my iPad so I can share them easier, but as its not made by Apple the iPad seems to be rejecting it so at the moment it's a know, but if you are interested and have a tenner to spare this is a pretty good read,with a few good pictures, lastly most of the people I have met that collect data and evidence on this subject are far more intellectual and academic than me, IE biologists, university professors, photography experts and the like, my only strength in it all is the fact I,m out there and doing it, I put my cameras were I want to when I want to a bit like poaching pictures, of the seven cameras I,m running at the moment only one is on land I have permission to be, the academics can't do this as the risk to there reputation and funding is to great, if and when I get anything I send it to them for analysis as they have the resources and skills to do this, it seems to work out OK for everyone concerned and before long I think an overwhelming case will be brought forward and then maybe it will be presented to the rest of the world, like I said from the start all I set out to do was prove it to myself, here's a little taster so you don't think I'm all shit, the deer is a typical cat kill killed stripped out and eaten in one sitting, the paw print with the phone is one I took the other two are taken inside a puma cage so there can be know confusion make of it what you will, but I,m sure if you live a full and active life you will get to see one as the numbers are getting greater every year as is the equipment we have to see them with I,m really off now cheers

If you knew about tracks you would know those are of dog.

sadly I do can you spot the difference this is a very big dog two of the ones I just showed you were taken inside a puma s cage I don't think there was a dog in there with them sorry mate but you just are never going to accept it are you so I,ll save my breath

The one with the phone is a dog track pal, I can get technical if you like.

you will probably mention it has its claws out and cats keep there claws in when walking, that's true unless walking in mud or ice or other slippery surfaces, if you zoom right in you will see three lobes on the back of the rear pad a dog only has two, if you look down the claw marks they are straight down spikes unlike a dog and the easiest one in the world is that a cats foot is wider than it is long were as a dogs is longer than it is wide but please do go all technical on me, as I,m now beginning to loose the will to live

 

Greyman is your evidence enough for you to know exactly what species it is?

I done a quick google search earlier & the first thing that came up was a Lynx caught in 2001 & donated to a zoo. They think that may of been around for several years north of London. So the likely hood of lynx being out there at least, seems quite reasonable.

definately not a Lynx though there are a few of them round here I had one reported to me a few weeks ago by a guy out lamping another one a friend of mine saw climbing down a cliff in a quarry when he flicked a lamp on at night as it was stuck on a cliff face it could not run off sadly this was almost 30 years ago and he had no means of recording it because it took about 20 mins to make its way down to the bottom the one I have has a full tail as long as it's body and looks sandy brown in colour so probably puma, unless we go down the road of feline hybrids which are quite common, Scottish wildcats and domestic moggies or ligers are just two examples of that

No, big cats like the Puma have a pronounced front toe which is further forward than the other, they are not really aligned like a dogs. You can determine which paw print you are looking at this by looking at the two front toes.http://www.bear-tracker.com/caninevsfeline.html

mate reproducing an old bit of literature like that is,nt really going technical on my ass is it, if the cat was walking in a straight line on perfect ground you may have a slight chance but if it had just jumped a muddy puddle pursuing deer there's a very slight chance it may not land in perfect alignment sorry but I have to stop now for real, just to throw a spanner in the works last year I was one of a few people in England to see a bearded vulture flying along the Severn estuary near aust I have know photos and no witnesses so did I see it or not???

[Greyman 28,817]

 

Are these cameras OK then?... There's A lidl just across from where I work I might have a look at dinner.

been waiting for a answer ^ Bloody sold out now ...it's your fault dogman you had to mention big cats dint ya! Lol

sorry mate yes they are pretty good, and yes you are right it is all dogmans fault Edited April 19, 2017 by Greyman

[Accip74 7,112]

 

 

 

I've proven it to myself with out doubt why would I want to put my self through all the shit,

 

For the same reason you have written literally thousands of words on this topic about it......passion for the subject !.......its human nature to want to be right about something your passionate about but unfortunately that desire to be right creates bias........don't get me wrong i admire folk who pursue the truth and you seem to be doing a great job but the whole " im not telling " thing is where it all falls down i mean what is there a prize at the end or something and that's why you wont tell/show ..... its a smashing little hobby to have but i think thats all it really seems to be........a hobby.

To be fair he has said he's shown at least 20 people? Which if true, is not such a big secret. I can understand not going 'public' as it were, I doubt I would like public scrutiny myself.

Why ....i mean what better place to share such an interesting discovery than amongst folk with a common interest in the countryside .....or like i say is there an individual prize/reward to be gained from such " evidence " ?..........i mean its not like finding Shergar i can understand keeping a low one on that and with every respect the chap Greyman is starting to get a bit arsey and defensive with people which just isnt necessary when you have factual evidence.

I can't imagine a trail cam picture would be enough for those who know better tbh, maybe I'm wrong? I personally wouldn't of said this much! But that's just me.....

 

Anyway, Greyman hasn't exactly been too vague on the subject, he claims to have trail cam evidence of a cat the size & proportion of a Puma, I think I've got that right?

So it boils down to this : You either believe him or you don't?

I'm going to take a punt & say I believe he's got something convincing, If I'm wrong or a mug for believing it, I can handle that....haha

[DogMan85 722]

 

 

So nessie might not be a myth after all lol

I saw it once but don't want the fuss so I didn't tell anyone.......

yes on your telly were you get all your facts from cheers

Can you show me any facts you've collected over the years then, serious question?

I,m not a very technical type I,m sorry, I,ve bought a gadget to put the pictures on my iPad so I can share them easier, but as its not made by Apple the iPad seems to be rejecting it so at the moment it's a know, but if you are interested and have a tenner to spare this is a pretty good read,with a few good pictures, lastly most of the people I have met that collect data and evidence on this subject are far more intellectual and academic than me, IE biologists, university professors, photography experts and the like, my only strength in it all is the fact I,m out there and doing it, I put my cameras were I want to when I want to a bit like poaching pictures, of the seven cameras I,m running at the moment only one is on land I have permission to be, the academics can't do this as the risk to there reputation and funding is to great, if and when I get anything I send it to them for analysis as they have the resources and skills to do this, it seems to work out OK for everyone concerned and before long I think an overwhelming case will be brought forward and then maybe it will be presented to the rest of the world, like I said from the start all I set out to do was prove it to myself, here's a little taster so you don't think I'm all shit, the deer is a typical cat kill killed stripped out and eaten in one sitting, the paw print with the phone is one I took the other two are taken inside a puma cage so there can be know confusion make of it what you will, but I,m sure if you live a full and active life you will get to see one as the numbers are getting greater every year as is the equipment we have to see them with I,m really off now cheers

If you knew about tracks you would know those are of dog.

sadly I do can you spot the difference this is a very big dog two of the ones I just showed you were taken inside a puma s cage I don't think there was a dog in there with them sorry mate but you just are never going to accept it are you so I,ll save my breath

The one with the phone is a dog track pal, I can get technical if you like.

you will probably mention it has its claws out and cats keep there claws in when walking, that's true unless walking in mud or ice or other slippery surfaces, if you zoom right in you will see three lobes on the back of the rear pad a dog only has two, if you look down the claw marks they are straight down spikes unlike a dog and the easiest one in the world is that a cats foot is wider than it is long were as a dogs is longer than it is wide but please do go all technical on me, as I,m now beginning to loose the will to live

 

Greyman is your evidence enough for you to know exactly what species it is?

I done a quick google search earlier & the first thing that came up was a Lynx caught in 2001 & donated to a zoo. They think that may of been around for several years north of London. So the likely hood of lynx being out there at least, seems quite reasonable.

definately not a Lynx though there are a few of them round here I had one reported to me a few weeks ago by a guy out lamping another one a friend of mine saw climbing down a cliff in a quarry when he flicked a lamp on at night as it was stuck on a cliff face it could not run off sadly this was almost 30 years ago and he had no means of recording it because it took about 20 mins to make its way down to the bottom the one I have has a full tail as long as it's body and looks sandy brown in colour so probably puma, unless we go down the road of feline hybrids which are quite common, Scottish wildcats and domestic moggies or ligers are just two examples of that

No, big cats like the Puma have a pronounced front toe which is further forward than the other, they are not really aligned like a dogs. You can determine which paw print you are looking at this by looking at the two front toes.http://www.bear-tracker.com/caninevsfeline.html

mate reproducing an old bit of literature like that is,nt really going technical on my ass is it, if the cat was walking in a straight line on perfect ground you may have a slight chance but if it had just jumped a muddy puddle pursuing deer there's a very slight chance it may not land in perfect alignment sorry but I have to stop now for real, just to throw a spanner in the works last year I was one of a few people in England to see a bearded vulture flying along the Severn estuary near aust I have know photos and no witnesses so did I see it or not???

 

So now you're making the wild claim that the cat was in pursuit of deer and had jumped a muddy puddle, I can post tons of pics of Cougars, Leopards etc with their toes set forward if you need me to?

 

Listen man I'm a massive fan of Big Cats myself, as a youngster instead of playing with Lego I had my head in the books of predator books which were mainly of Big Cats and Sharks.

[Daniel cain 45,864]

Id laugh my cock off if gm puts up a pic-still wouldn't be enough for some folk lol-I understand why he don't want too-picked apart by the non believers.over the yrs I've heard plenty say that this and that can't be done...only to prove it in front of them lol.have faith .atb dc

[DogMan85 722]

Id laugh my cock off if gm puts up a pic-still wouldn't be enough for some folk lol-I understand why he don't want too-picked apart by the non believers.over the yrs I've heard plenty say that this and that can't be done...only to prove it in front of them lol.have faith .atb dc

So why don't he do it then? It really is that simple. If I was trying to prove their existence over here and had the evidence and photos I'd prove it. ?

[bell 3,606]

So nessie might not be a myth after all lol

I saw it once but don't want the fuss so I didn't tell anyone.......

yes on your telly were you get all your facts from cheers

Can you show me any facts you've collected over the years then, serious question?

I,m not a very technical type I,m sorry, I,ve bought a gadget to put the pictures on my iPad so I can share them easier, but as its not made by Apple the iPad seems to be rejecting it so at the moment it's a know, but if you are interested and have a tenner to spare this is a pretty good read,with a few good pictures, lastly most of the people I have met that collect data and evidence on this subject are far more intellectual and academic than me, IE biologists, university professors, photography experts and the like, my only strength in it all is the fact I,m out there and doing it, I put my cameras were I want to when I want to a bit like poaching pictures, of the seven cameras I,m running at the moment only one is on land I have permission to be, the academics can't do this as the risk to there reputation and funding is to great, if and when I get anything I send it to them for analysis as they have the resources and skills to do this, it seems to work out OK for everyone concerned and before long I think an overwhelming case will be brought forward and then maybe it will be presented to the rest of the world, like I said from the start all I set out to do was prove it to myself, here's a little taster so you don't think I'm all shit, the deer is a typical cat kill killed stripped out and eaten in one sitting, the paw print with the phone is one I took the other two are taken inside a puma cage so there can be know confusion make of it what you will, but I,m sure if you live a full and active life you will get to see one as the numbers are getting greater every year as is the equipment we have to see them with I,m really off now cheers

If you knew about tracks you would know those are of dog.

sadly I do can you spot the difference this is a very big dog two of the ones I just showed you were taken inside a puma s cage I don't think there was a dog in there with them sorry mate but you just are never going to accept it are you so I,ll save my breath

The one with the phone is a dog track pal, I can get technical if you like.

you will probably mention it has its claws out and cats keep there claws in when walking, that's true unless walking in mud or ice or other slippery surfaces, if you zoom right in you will see three lobes on the back of the rear pad a dog only has two, if you look down the claw marks they are straight down spikes unlike a dog and the easiest one in the world is that a cats foot is wider than it is long were as a dogs is longer than it is wide but please do go all technical on me, as I,m now beginning to loose the will to live

 

Greyman is your evidence enough for you to know exactly what species it is?I done a quick google search earlier & the first thing that came up was a Lynx caught in 2001 & donated to a zoo. They think that may of been around for several years north of London. So the likely hood of lynx being out there at least, seems quite reasonable.

definately not a Lynx though there are a few of them round here I had one reported to me a few weeks ago by a guy out lamping another one a friend of mine saw climbing down a cliff in a quarry when he flicked a lamp on at night as it was stuck on a cliff face it could not run off sadly this was almost 30 years ago and he had no means of recording it because it took about 20 mins to make its way down to the bottom the one I have has a full tail as long as it's body and looks sandy brown in colour so probably puma, unless we go down the road of feline hybrids which are quite common, Scottish wildcats and domestic moggies or ligers are just two examples of that

No, big cats like the Puma have a pronounced front toe which is further forward than the other, they are not really aligned like a dogs. You can determine which paw print you are looking at this by looking at the two front toes.http://www.bear-tracker.com/caninevsfeline.html

mate reproducing an old bit of literature like that is,nt really going technical on my ass is it, if the cat was walking in a straight line on perfect ground you may have a slight chance but if it had just jumped a muddy puddle pursuing deer there's a very slight chance it may not land in perfect alignment sorry but I have to stop now for real, just to throw a spanner in the works last year I was one of a few people in England to see a bearded vulture flying along the Severn estuary near aust I have know photos and no witnesses so did I see it or not???

The difference is Greyman My good mate Dale Kedward(works in vulture research lab) videod it. Go on google him and you will see that even though he was sworn to secrecy and against strong advice from Mi5, he broadcast the video for all to see. Yes Mr Kedward wasn't afraid of a bit of publicity or the panic that the country would be thrown into (mothers hurrying their children indoors lest the rare and ferocious bearded vulture carry them off)

So come on Greyman either put up or shut up.....just saying

[Accip74 7,112]

Id laugh my cock off if gm puts up a pic-still wouldn't be enough for some folk lol-I understand why he don't want too-picked apart by the non believers.over the yrs I've heard plenty say that this and that can't be done...only to prove it in front of them lol.have faith .atb dc

Its interesting what some folk find unbelievable or not, as the case may be. A mate I worked with took the piss out of me for 8 years when I said I had an open mind on this subject. The same guy believed he had a poltageist in his house!.....haha

[Daniel cain 45,864]

 

Id laugh my cock off if gm puts up a pic-still wouldn't be enough for some folk lol-I understand why he don't want too-picked apart by the non believers.over the yrs I've heard plenty say that this and that can't be done...only to prove it in front of them lol.have faith .atb dc

So why don't he do it then? It really is that simple. If I was trying to prove their existence over here and had the evidence and photos I'd prove it.

your the type that would enjoy the pat on the back lol-not everyone's looking for 5 mins of fame .atb dc

[kanny 20,667]

Of the back of this discussion just out of interest I googled big cats and came across this picture now granted its not conclusive but somthing else caught my eye ...wtf is that hovering in the valley ? UFO ALERT!!!...has anyone ever captured a UK alien on a trail cam ?

[Daniel cain 45,864]

I've seen a flying saucer...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I kicked the cnut at the dog when he pissed on my best boots lol.atb dc