What Adds More Drive Into A Lurcher Beddy Or Collie?

[THE STIFFMEISTER 15,947]

Perhaps I'm putting this across wrong

 

Whenever I've seen a malnous get excited, the last thing I've ever thought was I'll put that over a greyhound

 

The live bite required a beating so hard to let go that it passed blood

 

And when in a live contact , the dog panicked and attached its handler

 

Scarcely a good start!!!!

[C.green 3,231]

them malis and herders might look good on a Saturday morning when training at a club or whatever remember you gotta live with the fuckers 6 other days of the week.

Edited April 16, 2017 by C.green

[jiggy 3,209]

If the malinios is brought up in a situation and environment based around training it to be an attack dog then that's going to be a different dog than one that's only 50% or less malinois blood brought up in a well socialised environment and taught not to hang out of people. They are intelligent dogs and know what they can and can't do. As for been in the wrong hands and the dog been isolated then try getting in beside the collie in the tractor of a farmer who lives in the mountain on his own and comes to town once a week for his shopping and him or the dog sees nobody in between.There is nothing safe about them cuddly collies when reared wrong.

[tank34 2,344]

If was no ban I would look at beddy bull greyhound or beddy Wheaton greyhound, there's just something about the beddy greyhound I like , I've an old beddy whippet he was game in this days I lose a beddy greyhound she was one hell of a bitch could hunt up like a hound found an put some game to bed with her Rip blue , lv two young beddy greyhounds on now done well so fare

[DogMan85 722]

Can someone post pics of these Bedlingtons used for breeding purposes?

[THE STIFFMEISTER 15,947]

them malis and herders might look good on a Saturday morning when training at a club or whatever remember you gotta live with the fuckers 6 other days of the week.

 

Nail on the head my friend

[WILF 46,851]

Maybe I have missed the point so excuse me if it's a silly question, by "drive" I take it you men aggression towards live quarry and a desire to master that quarry, but why would Mal or Beddy be the first thing that springs to mind?

[desertbred 5,490]

Experimenting with all kinds of questionable breeds does no favours to any one or the dogs them selves. Unknown crosses ending up in the hands of inexperienced owners are accidents waiting to happen, Dogs from breeds used for similar purposes are far more likely to gel and click than something cobbled together because it looks the part or looks like a status symbol on a big chain. The pounds are full of failed experiments even dogs from similar lines are no guarantee , tried and time tested usually gives desired results and that after years of study and graft .

Edited April 16, 2017 by desertbred

[barkers 10]

 

 

 

Totally different temperaments

I've never seen bull crosses destroyed as they physically cannot handle change of ownership

I wouldn't like to see a mal cross after a year and a half of rudimentary training and two walks a day

i dont really know what ur trying to say,is it ur saying that dutch and maile crosses cant handle the change of ownership.if so i never meintioned that.

Sorry just seen this , not sure what mals etc people have or what wonderous skills they own at training but 3 times I have seen dogs being shot for being man biters or untrustworthy around new handlers

Each one was a pure bred mal and these were not isolated occurrences , they are put down a lot more regular than you would believe,

Personally I think adding a breed Like to the lurcher roundabout is a ticking bomb

. The same was said about pits and there xes like most all types they fall in to wrong hands plus bad breeding fecking poor temperaments evironment etc. And I'll tell thee fa nought when breeding f1s of any type the othe half has big say in the outcome. You have seen animals shot etc,so have I pits xes etc,training any animal his a must and yes some see training there jukels the rude mines of field work only there objective that's there peogative, others prefer abit more controll etc if the animal possesses the acquired level of iq to achieve these levels ,and fa the matter if where one puts down there bones a estate a field a mountain has no bearing on the matter.only a fool would judge a man a woman on there ability with there jukels no matter where he from I'll stick to what I know and that be from experience etc those that Cana do a high drive type keep a fecking whippet or has some do a doldrums fecking slouch that only moves when the lead or food bowls presented Never judge all by a select few ,I have a alsation bitch xs grey that took me by the thigh when around ten mths old she still with me now trained to a decent level if I had shot her more fool would I have been a good handler sees the route of the moment and sorts the problem and the reason for it ,the bitch has special qualities I rank highly in a canine and one don't come across to often.atbbunnys.

 

heard it all now a dog that had you by the thigh, but has special qualities you rank highly.

[WILF 46,851]

I can't understand what "drive" a dog needs to master a rabbit or any other non biting critter ?..........if any dog decides to pick and chose its runs when sent to its quarry then it's a wanker plain and simple......the only thing you need to add to that is some lead.

 

If you are talking about quarry with teeth that's capable of giving some back then I'm afraid nobody ever took a Beddy , a collie or a Mal to the scratch line.

 

I just don't really understand the question........as Desertbred said, there are tried and tested things out there.......why piss about for the sake of pissing about just because you have an emotional attachment to old Gip or Tess or Fido or whatever ?

Edited April 16, 2017 by WILF

[WILF 46,851]

Just to add, if anyone thinks that a human aggressive dog equates to bottle when faced with another creature that is proving a test then they are, imho, talking bollocks I'm afraid.

 

The dog with the biggest heart I ever saw was a little 13lb animal that would throw itself into the fray to the point of death with critters 4 times its size......that dog never once curled a lip to a human being or even another dog......even when being patched.

 

Man aggressive dogs are curs in my limited experience when faced with another big set of teeth.

[desertbred 5,490]

Experimenting is not the way forward One old Running guy said to me You wouldnt take a Transit van to the Le Mans 24 hour rally.

Edited April 16, 2017 by desertbred

[FUJI 17,324]

Had a Beddy Greyhound,great at catching bunnies,stalked worse than any collie x I've ever seen,even on Roe,yapped when overmatched on hares,retrieved her catch to within a few feet then spat out her prize only to watch it run away!! Had another that was a brilliant rabbiter only about 22 tts,retrieved straight to hand & everything was dead & munched to pulp,not much went to the game dealer anyways,would run through fire to make a catch..I've seen & owned two different types,they maybe looked similar but that was it..One had the heart of the Tinman off the Wizard of Oz lol the other was a little demon of a dog ?

[DogMan85 722]

I don't see drive as the same as grit, you should get plenty of drive out of a Greyhound. Let's be honest finding a game Lurcher would be like looking for Rocking Horse shit.

[green dragon 701]

Experimenting is not the way forward One old Running guy said to me You wouldnt take a Transit van to the Le Mans 24 hour rally.

Ford did give it go tho lol

Edited April 16, 2017 by green dragon