Cz Or Savage?

[Jax13 251]

My wmr was full length (20 to 22" ish) and wasn't screw cut when I bought it. I dropped it back to 19 when it was threaded and to be honest there is no noticeable difference to the handling with or without the mod.

 

To be honest, if you can't use a mod then leave it full length, the shorter barrel comes into its own if your shooting out of hides / vehicles as with a mod your adding 5 to 6" to the end depending on your choice of mod so on a full barrel it can be a bit broomstick ish.

 

Don't really notice it on mine tbh, but if I get the urge I'll probably have it knocked back to 16" because it could do with a recrown at some point (forgot to take the mod off after being out in the cold one night like a dummy and noticed earlier it's just started with a bit of decay).

 

Buy it and shoot it. If you don't like it then get it chopped.

[Deker 3,478]

So, off to France next month and I can get a Savage mark II G ( with accu-trigger) for £320 or a CZ 455 (standard) for £370. Any opinions? The CZ455 can take a .17 hmr barrel (£150). CZ 452 still widely available for around £400.

 

Any advice welcome as it will be my first real rifle.

 

 

There is nothing really wrong with the Savage, but I just don't see it in the same conversation as the CZ.

 

The 452 has ceased production in all but farmer versions, as far as I'm aware, and that may well have stopped now, you will still find some NEW 452 about though, not sure why as they all tended to sell quite quickly.

 

Anyway, 455 would be my choice today but your post seems to be suggesting multi barrel for it, consider carefully before going down that route. Many options for simple/cheap trigger work on the CZ if you consider it is needed.

[Peadair 27]

 

So, off to France next month and I can get a Savage mark II G ( with accu-trigger) for £320 or a CZ 455 (standard) for £370. Any opinions? The CZ455 can take a .17 hmr barrel (£150). CZ 452 still widely available for around £400.

 

Any advice welcome as it will be my first real rifle.

 

 

There is nothing really wrong with the Savage, but I just don't see it in the same conversation as the CZ.

 

The 452 has ceased production in all but farmer versions, as far as I'm aware, and that may well have stopped now, you will still find some NEW 452 about though, not sure why as they all tended to sell quite quickly.

 

Anyway, 455 would be my choice today but your post seems to be suggesting multi barrel for it, consider carefully before going down that route. Many options for simple/cheap trigger work on the CZ if you consider it is needed.

 

Thanks Deker, I'm a bit wary of the detachable barrel as I just don't see how it can be as sturdy as a single piece of steel.. I don't have any real intention of shooting .17 so maybe the 452 is the way to go. I intend it really as a practise/bunny rifle. It's a much simpler process over there to get a ticket so I'll be getting a .308 before the end of the year.

[Deker 3,478]

 

 

So, off to France next month and I can get a Savage mark II G ( with accu-trigger) for £320 or a CZ 455 (standard) for £370. Any opinions? The CZ455 can take a .17 hmr barrel (£150). CZ 452 still widely available for around £400.

 

Any advice welcome as it will be my first real rifle.

 

 

There is nothing really wrong with the Savage, but I just don't see it in the same conversation as the CZ.

 

The 452 has ceased production in all but farmer versions, as far as I'm aware, and that may well have stopped now, you will still find some NEW 452 about though, not sure why as they all tended to sell quite quickly.

 

Anyway, 455 would be my choice today but your post seems to be suggesting multi barrel for it, consider carefully before going down that route. Many options for simple/cheap trigger work on the CZ if you consider it is needed.

 

Thanks Deker, I'm a bit wary of the detachable barrel as I just don't see how it can be as sturdy as a single piece of steel.. I don't have any real intention of shooting .17 so maybe the 452 is the way to go. I intend it really as a practise/bunny rifle. It's a much simpler process over there to get a ticket so I'll be getting a .308 before the end of the year.

 

 

There are very few rifles (if any) where the barrel and action are a single piece of metal, rifle barrels have been inserted into actions by one means or another for donkeys years.

 

The Quad, and a few others today are frankly a small extension of the overall manufacturing process where the manufacturers have found other ways of joining action/barrel.

 

[Red Dragon 1]

Have the CZ455 .17 and found nothing at all wrong with it at all, spot on with all the different ammo I have tried until now

[Rowan 308]

 

CZ452 .22lr , i use one most days/ nights , can't fault it . synthetic stock with a 16" barrel , you can't go wrong . Whatever else you move upto you'll always keep your first rifle and this is one to keep.

I presume you cut the barrel. Did it affect the balance a lot? Can't use a silencer for hunting in France.

 

No mate , didn't cut the barrel , 16" is how it came from Cz , this was the shortest they did , a great length for shooting from inside the Landy.

[Peadair 27]

 

 

CZ452 .22lr , i use one most days/ nights , can't fault it . synthetic stock with a 16" barrel , you can't go wrong . Whatever else you move upto you'll always keep your first rifle and this is one to keep.

I presume you cut the barrel. Did it affect the balance a lot? Can't use a silencer for hunting in France.

 

No mate , didn't cut the barrel , 16" is how it came from Cz , this was the shortest they did , a great length for shooting from inside the Landy.

 

The 452's available online in France are all full length (nearly 25"). Not allowed to shoot from a vehicle unless you're disabled - they can confiscate your car!

[ianm 2,594]

 

 

 

CZ452 .22lr , i use one most days/ nights , can't fault it . synthetic stock with a 16" barrel , you can't go wrong . Whatever else you move upto you'll always keep your first rifle and this is one to keep.

I presume you cut the barrel. Did it affect the balance a lot? Can't use a silencer for hunting in France.

 

No mate , didn't cut the barrel , 16" is how it came from Cz , this was the shortest they did , a great length for shooting from inside the Landy.

 

The 452's available online in France are all full length (nearly 25"). Not allowed to shoot from a vehicle unless you're disabled - they can confiscate your car!

 

 

 

 

So no mods and confiscation of the vehicle if you shoot off it, i think i will stay here, the backward onion eating f***wits.

 

Oh and get the cz, much better built than savage.

Edited April 14, 2017 by ianm

[Rowan 308]

 

 

 

 

CZ452 .22lr , i use one most days/ nights , can't fault it . synthetic stock with a 16" barrel , you can't go wrong . Whatever else you move upto you'll always keep your first rifle and this is one to keep.

I presume you cut the barrel. Did it affect the balance a lot? Can't use a silencer for hunting in France.

 

No mate , didn't cut the barrel , 16" is how it came from Cz , this was the shortest they did , a great length for shooting from inside the Landy.

 

The 452's available online in France are all full length (nearly 25"). Not allowed to shoot from a vehicle unless you're disabled - they can confiscate your car!

 

 

 

 

So no mods and confiscation of the vehicle if you shoot off it, i think i will stay here, the backward onion eating f***wits.

 

Oh and get the cz, much better built than savage.

 

 

 

Good old Blighty .... .

[Ghost-Slug 8]

For me CZ every time the build quality of the savage is a bit of a let down I purchased one back in the early 80's and found it to be a big mistake

now remember this is just my own opinion, you may feel different But I would not wish to own one again

 

[beanieboy 4]

CZ over Savage. The QC at Savage isn't acceptable. Bolt and magazine are just some of the recurring issues they seem unable, or unwilling to sort out. I have 3 CZ's in 22, 17 and 223 and find them a good quality rifle and great value for money.