Blackbriar 8,569 Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 Sounds like a false flag attack by the jihadists to drum up international support against Assad, seeing they're getting their arsed handed to them at the moment.What makes you say that? According to the reports the gas came from chemical bombs dropped from planes, the jihadists certainly aren't capable of carrying out airstrikes......& of course, the Russians are denying this to be the case. The Russians and the Assad regime are claiming ("claiming" - I'm not saying it's true !) that the gas was released when they bombed an Islamist weapons warehouse.......So, the whole dirty fiasco continues. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Accip74 7,112 Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 Sounds like a false flag attack by the jihadists to drum up international support against Assad, seeing they're getting their arsed handed to them at the moment.What makes you say that? According to the reports the gas came from chemical bombs dropped from planes, the jihadists certainly aren't capable of carrying out airstrikes......& of course, the Russians are denying this to be the case. The Russians and the Assad regime are claiming ("claiming" - I'm not saying it's true !) that the gas was released when they bombed an Islamist weapons warehouse.......So, the whole dirty fiasco continues. Yes I read that, as it's been said, it's hard to know the real truth.........but, Russian version of events is predictable & usually script like..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jacknife 2,005 Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 Why use chemicals when you have the upper hand.... Surely assad and Russians would know it wouldn't go un noticed And wouldn't help their cause 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,437 Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 What consequences will Russia and Assad face even if 100% unquestionable proof came out that they were behind the attack? I can't see it having any real negative effects for them. At the end of the day Russia is never going to come out and say "Yup, that was our buddy Assad committing more war crimes" are they so why would anyone trust what they say on the matter? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbriar 8,569 Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 UN security council is meeting, as we 'speak', and they will resolve to do absolutely nothing - they haven't got the bottle to engage Russia militarily, and Russia will veto any resolution, anyway ! Individual countries will condemn Assad, Assad will deny any involvement, and the whole thing will soon be forgotten, until the next atrocity, when the whole vile merry-go-round will start again. The West, UN, NATO whatever, has no stomach to get too involved - we got our fingers burned in that region already. Why on god's earth would we engage Russia millitarily? As sad as it is seeing kids dieing it will be a lot sadder watching my own kids suffer the same fate. It's not our problem Why indeed ? And the Russians know it ! Many wiser men than me say that a no -fly zone is an essential first step in de-escalation. But a no-fly zone would have to be enforced, and that would require the UN, or some other coalition, to confront the Russians....And no-one is willing to do that. Sabre rattling won't work against Putin, so any threat would have to be backed up - and that's not going to happen, not now, not ever. Besides, any attempt at such action would be vetoed by the Russians, at the first opportunity.....The UN is impotent in Syria ! Putin holds all the cards here..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbriar 8,569 Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 The Russians are not going to abandon a strategic ally, Assad can't afford to be defeated, the UN is not going to step up, and the Islamists aren't going to be defeated - they will just spring up somewhere else. At the centre of the maelstrom, of course, is Assad himself. The only realistic solution, that I can think of, MUST involve Assad being allowed to step down, following a negotiated ceasefire. The UN won't agree to this, so square one, here we come ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
C556 351 Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 Sounds like a false flag attack by the jihadists to drum up international support against Assad, seeing they're getting their arsed handed to them at the moment. What makes you say that? According to the reports the gas came from chemical bombs dropped from planes, the jihadists certainly aren't capable of carrying out airstrikes. That seems to be the consensus from what I've read elsewhere. Both sides are believed to have, and have used chemical weapons. It doesn't make sense for the Syrian Army to use them when they are winning in the area, can achieve the same results using conventional bombs, and would expect to face an international outcry if they're used. It will probably be unlikely to prove exactly what happened. Those who want Assad deposed will use it to try and drum up aid for the rebels and call for military action against Assad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 21,005 Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 Ask yourselves why would Assad a man with everything going in his favour resort to this ...it's makes no logical sense at all ..and who was first to report the attack yup you got it the war propaganda machine the white helmets. ...it just dont add up. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,437 Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 Sounds like a false flag attack by the jihadists to drum up international support against Assad, seeing they're getting their arsed handed to them at the moment.What makes you say that? According to the reports the gas came from chemical bombs dropped from planes, the jihadists certainly aren't capable of carrying out airstrikes.That seems to be the consensus from what I've read elsewhere. Both sides are believed to have, and have used chemical weapons. It doesn't make sense for the Syrian Army to use them when they are winning in the area, can achieve the same results using conventional bombs, and would expect to face an international outcry if they're used. It will probably be unlikely to prove exactly what happened. Those who want Assad deposed will use it to try and drum up aid for the rebels and call for military action against Assad. The consensus is that it was a false flag attack? Amongst who? Not even the Russians are claiming it was a false flag carried out by the rebels... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 21,005 Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 Next we will be hearing Assad has a weapon of ass destruction. ...I'm sure I've heard that one before though Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dave88 1,565 Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 Next we will be hearing Assad has a weapon of ass destruction. ...I'm sure I've heard that one before though Ass destruction? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 21,005 Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 Next we will be hearing Assad has a weapon of ass destruction. ...I'm sure I've heard that one before though Ass destruction?Deliberate typo perhaps ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dave88 1,565 Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 Next we will be hearing Assad has a weapon of ass destruction. ...I'm sure I've heard that one before though Ass destruction?Deliberate typo perhaps ?That did cross my mind but I thought I'd ask anyway lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,437 Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 Next we will be hearing Assad has a weapon of ass destruction. ...I'm sure I've heard that one before though Assad does have WMDs, that's what chemical weapons are... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogMan85 722 Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 I heard on the grapevine that all this unrest in Syria was started and stirred by the West, who knows hey....... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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