Workers Out Of Non Workers

[bird 9,941]

I think most lurchers will work ... Out of none working parents .. It's when you ask for that extra graft when the real working blood show... I had it with a Hancock .soon as I stepped his game up ..the brakes come on.....

fair point , yeh its when you want that bit more than catching few rabbits , that the breeding counts .But like anything else you got start from scratch and most is a 1x what ever the x collie,bull,etc x back to a running dog, the the 1x is just the start , if good dogs then x to a good bitch and take it from there. i ve been lucky with my 2 1xs both not bad workers, and the big dog Buck the better of the 2 deff . My mate had 2 hancock lurchers, the 1st was a 1/4 b/b 3/4 grey good on rabbits and foxes and not bad on few daytime hares , this was in early 80s, then he had 3/8 b/b 5/8 grey bitch good on rabbits but nothing else , so with any dog you pick it a risk if they turn out any good for what you want , but i do think a pup from proven parents you in with a fighting chance of a good worker

[roybo 2,873]

My mate had a coursing bred dog off big names I'm not gonna mention and it would run stuff into the ground but pick up it would not

yes that can happen ,but I'd say a generation bred coursing dog with 30 years breeding will (all things being equal) be better at the job it was bred for than a dog bred from 2 unknown qualities ,on the balance of probability,dont you think?

[straight2hand 303]

I think the problems will come from generations of breeding none working dogs and selecting for traits like low drive to fit in with sub-urban tweed and wellie mums .

We had a family poodle that would kill rats as a kid ,so it's in most dogs if allowed and that comes from millions of years of evolution and not selective breeding for 200 or so years.

But to advance then surely workers is the way to go ?

Well said, plenty of dogs will kill....but Lurcher men are in the world of percentages %%%!!! If we invest time in a dog it must have the highest chance of success! There are plenty of stories about the rescue or the show pony that turn out ok but..how many of that litter did the same??

[THE STIFFMEISTER 16,089]

Would you be happy buying a first cross bull grey from a fat staff over a failed track bitch?

 

I took a shot on one, didn't work out, but as much due to me than the dog

Would I do it again?

 

No , I'd rather breed it myself and cull the rest if given the choice

[DogMan85 722]

Would you be happy buying a first cross bull grey from a fat staff over a failed track bitch?

 

I took a shot on one, didn't work out, but as much due to me than the dog

Would I do it again?

 

No , I'd rather breed it myself and cull the rest if given the choice

I'd cull them all if I was you Nora.....

[Penda 3,341]

 

My mate had a coursing bred dog off big names I'm not gonna mention and it would run stuff into the ground but pick up it would not

yes that can happen ,but I'd say a generation bred coursing dog with 30 years breeding will (all things being equal) be better at the job it was bred for than a dog bred from 2 unknown qualities ,on the balance of probability,dont you think?

well the breeding in that dog my mate had was off real top stuff stuff this I wouldn't want to say incase it starts a silly argument but it just goes to show all the breeding and the money people pay don't mean squat if the dog hasn't got it up stairs

[Penda 3,341]

One thing I always say you can breed into a dog is a heart that's always gotta be there and to me that's above all the most important thing people think you've gotta have a fast a dog with stamina and so on but if a dogs got that and no heart it's just a fast dog or its got loads of stamina

[Aussie Whip 4,124]

I'd always get a worker to worker bred dog.They look different to me,a look in their eyes,a great stable temperament and to somehow know their quarry.

[straight2hand 303]

I'd always get a worker to worker bred dog.They look different to me,a look in their eyes,a great stable temperament and to somehow know their quarry.

Happily lounge around but always have that look saying......... I rather be working.

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

 

 

My mate had a coursing bred dog off big names I'm not gonna mention and it would run stuff into the ground but pick up it would not

yes that can happen ,but I'd say a generation bred coursing dog with 30 years breeding will (all things being equal) be better at the job it was bred for than a dog bred from 2 unknown qualities ,on the balance of probability,dont you think?

well the breeding in that dog my mate had was off real top stuff stuff this I wouldn't want to say incase it starts a silly argument but it just goes to show all the breeding and the money people pay don't mean squat if the dog hasn't got it up stairs

 

 

 

Its always best to try and 'up the odds' with working dogs,..but there are no guarantees..

Same with people,..you cannot put trustworthiness, loyalty and a genuine good heart,.. into an empty person....

Edited April 1, 2017 by Phil Lloyd

[Penda 3,341]

 

 

 

My mate had a coursing bred dog off big names I'm not gonna mention and it would run stuff into the ground but pick up it would not

 

yes that can happen ,but I'd say a generation bred coursing dog with 30 years breeding will (all things being equal) be better at the job it was bred for than a dog bred from 2 unknown qualities ,on the balance of probability,dont you think?

well the breeding in that dog my mate had was off real top stuff stuff this I wouldn't want to say incase it starts a silly argument but it just goes to show all the breeding and the money people pay don't mean squat if the dog hasn't got it up stairs

 

Its always best to try and 'up the odds' with working dogs,..but there are no guarantees..

Same with people,..you cannot put trustworthiness, loyalty and a genuine good heart,.. into an empty person....

that is very true bit deep but true

[Wales1234 5,542]

Same as sport I was watching my old team today and said to my old coach your missing something you can't teach ! Heart !! That's why Iv bred this bullx she doesn't really suit me work wise she's a killer a very fast killer but she won't really hunt my plan is few years down the line just I want to know where my bullx comes from and that's it's got plenty drive and heart ! If she has the same drive as her parents I'm on to a winner

[FUJI 17,327]

I'd always choose a pup from a long line of hard worked lurchers above a pup from the litter sister to the best bitch in the land or litter brother to the best dog in the land if they didn't work no matter how well bred..I like to tip the odds in my favour & by worker to worker your doing that imo ✌

[roybo 2,873]

we can all mention 1 or 2 dogs that have done well out of none working parents and probably more that have failed out of great breeding.

But I'd rather have the odds in my favour ,and know I've done my best to buy/breed a pup that has a chance,than cross my fingers and say that looks like it will do

[roybo 2,873]

 

 

My mate had a coursing bred dog off big names I'm not gonna mention and it would run stuff into the ground but pick up it would not

yes that can happen ,but I'd say a generation bred coursing dog with 30 years breeding will (all things being equal) be better at the job it was bred for than a dog bred from 2 unknown qualities ,on the balance of probability,dont you think?

well the breeding in that dog my mate had was off real top stuff stuff this I wouldn't want to say incase it starts a silly argument but it just goes to show all the breeding and the money people pay don't mean squat if the dog hasn't got it up stairs

no I agree ,but there will be dogs that don't do the job ,and bringing on, genetics, and fitness plays as much part, and of course all that applies to a dog without being out of 'top stuff' I'd just want to know those genes are at least possibly in there to start nothing is 100% though