Questions I Asked Countryside Alliance Today.

[Squeamish5 309]

 

Not everyone that runs dogs are undesirables the Antis are against anything against the system I am for every part of hunting for all it is freedom of speach in our country well is is supposed to be but without a voice we won't be anywhere.

 

I know that buddy I run dogs meself and always polite more so when I'm in the wrong places,

 

the lIkes of the AWL never appealed to me simply cos they wanting too keep what we have currently ie limited vermin control with dog, where as say me I hunt other stuff so they not helping me at all and my involvement is not positive for them as I wont stop what I'm doing and they cant help me so why should I hand over money so a few can have a couple of meetings a year covered by everyones £5 and the odd jolly down to London again expenses paid? all to gain what? what you already have and is currently not under any pressure, I will save me fiver towards me fines ta, not some lot that sat for years saying nothing ntil there was a fresh influx of interest and money coming into the fray lol

 

another worrying factor was when the AWL etc idea came up on here, within days the old chairman of the older lurcher club rapidly appeared and wrestled control, so it ended up the same old same old taking charge and what you got for all the fivers collected? sweet FA a website that's less entertaining than this one getting ready to fight a cause that don't need fighting and which no one really in the bigger picture (on local or world level) really cares about at present , even the antis etc would have probems trying to gain further bans now,and they far better supported funded and organised so that's the AWL goosed they cant even meet the need sort the lads on here wishes out, the government etc simply have better more important things too attend too at present.

 

sometimes you shake trees and fruit falls down for you , other times you shake it and the tree falls down on you, sometimes if you not hungry its not worth the risk if you get my drift

 

show me somebody fighting for what I want then I ill consider joining that's my out look half measure like hunting rats and rabbits to benefit farmers and keepers who wont let me run a hare fox or deer but will allow shooters to blast them to death at will,

 

the start of any sensible appeal wants to establish why the ban really came into force? if its any other reason than stopping rare species being wiped out or needless cruelty then it needs looking into, cos the way it was sold was based on stopping cruelty, however we all know its a class thing

It absolutely is a class thing, and also on a deeper level a cultural thing. We watch downtown abbey and the posh people look lovely with the clothes and the pageantry. So even though we think foxhunting is a bit mean, we kind of also buy into the 'THIS is what England is about' thing. Particularly now this brexit business is going on.

Meanwhile 'hare-coursing' has connotations of dodgy common people doing despicable 'cruel' things.

Not what we want to bang our jingoistic drum about at all, oh goodness me no.

[greenshank1 407]

Fair play mate for writing and asking the question.

Tim Bonner is a toff so no surprise they are only interested in large mounted packs in the shires.

Division over the years between hunters , shooters , terrier men , coursers , falconers etc etc has badly watered down our voice , arguement and political clout.

We don't need BASC , CA , AWL, SGA , etc etc we need ONE organisation SPEAKING for ALL. There is no point criticising the organisations they need our help and support.

But to get One organisation first we need tolerance and mutual respect .

That said claiming you are a hunter , shooter , lurcherman and not being a member of any organisation is just as bad.

The problem we face is a hugely urban based majority , urban focussed politicians and urban law makers.

 

We need to welcome everyone to Fieldsports for the future for it to survive

.Rich or Poor , black or white , gay or straight , young or old country or city folk all should be welcomed and encouraged.

[THE STIFFMEISTER 16,123]

 

I also know a young lad who had his arse handed to him over a deer so make of that what you will

Car, licence, dog, the works

Buckshee this hunting crack ain't it?

 

Win some lose some law of averages innit ? I know plenty got Asbo,s banning orders cars confiscated dogs pounded but it does not make it right or just I wouldnt expect anybody to stand and take a kick in the testes without defending it just my opinion.

 

But your not prepared to jump on a Grenade for the rest of the team so why should anyone else?

 

The Race has finished and we never left the traps

[desertbred 5,490]

So you wouldn't martyr yourself to the cause of hunting for the greater good like all the huntsmen do in documentaries?

 

And why would that be?

 

Fear of reprisals or having your dogs chored?

 

Which are the 2 realistic options

I will laugh at reprisals and dogs chored the chore would understand the meaning of reprisals even with my advanced years

Edited March 30, 2017 by desertbred

[THE STIFFMEISTER 16,123]

Quick question

 

Has anyone here actually ever described what they do to a non hunter?

 

What did they say?

[arcticgun 4,548]

 

 

Not everyone that runs dogs are undesirables the Antis are against anything against the system I am for every part of hunting for all it is freedom of speach in our country well is is supposed to be but without a voice we won't be anywhere.

I know that buddy I run dogs meself and always polite more so when I'm in the wrong places,

 

the lIkes of the AWL never appealed to me simply cos they wanting too keep what we have currently ie limited vermin control with dog, where as say me I hunt other stuff so they not helping me at all and my involvement is not positive for them as I wont stop what I'm doing and they cant help me so why should I hand over money so a few can have a couple of meetings a year covered by everyones £5 and the odd jolly down to London again expenses paid? all to gain what? what you already have and is currently not under any pressure, I will save me fiver towards me fines ta, not some lot that sat for years saying nothing ntil there was a fresh influx of interest and money coming into the fray lol

 

another worrying factor was when the AWL etc idea came up on here, within days the old chairman of the older lurcher club rapidly appeared and wrestled control, so it ended up the same old same old taking charge and what you got for all the fivers collected? sweet FA a website that's less entertaining than this one getting ready to fight a cause that don't need fighting and which no one really in the bigger picture (on local or world level) really cares about at present , even the antis etc would have probems trying to gain further bans now,and they far better supported funded and organised so that's the AWL goosed they cant even meet the need sort the lads on here wishes out, the government etc simply have better more important things too attend too at present.

 

sometimes you shake trees and fruit falls down for you , other times you shake it and the tree falls down on you, sometimes if you not hungry its not worth the risk if you get my drift

 

show me somebody fighting for what I want then I ill consider joining that's my out look half measure like hunting rats and rabbits to benefit farmers and keepers who wont let me run a hare fox or deer but will allow shooters to blast them to death at will,

 

the start of any sensible appeal wants to establish why the ban really came into force? if its any other reason than stopping rare species being wiped out or needless cruelty then it needs looking into, cos the way it was sold was based on stopping cruelty, however we all know its a class thing

It absolutely is a class thing, and also on a deeper level a cultural thing. We watch downtown abbey and the posh people look lovely with the clothes and the pageantry. So even though we think foxhunting is a bit mean, we kind of also buy into the 'THIS is what England is about' thing. Particularly now this brexit business is going on.

Meanwhile 'hare-coursing' has connotations of dodgy common people doing despicable 'cruel' things.

Not what we want to bang our jingoistic drum about at all, oh goodness me no.

 

its all about divide and conquer politics at its finest, first you try something the majority find distasteful and try to ban it, should you get away with it , well the majority won, the loosers should simply get on with it, now lets take a look at what's been banned exactly? most the activities are partaken in the countryside they benefit the landowners by clearing pests, fair does there's and element of enjoyment in it which is always a bone of contention with hunters is it not? but to be fair its in our history if it where not for hunting with dogs we would simply have died off, pests would make farming a waste of time, so it gets taken away, but what you really loosing? nothing cos the majority don't like it, however in the bigger picture they are actually a little more specific in their agenda, to further 'our' multicultural nu labour society lmao, see they took away one tradition that we always had and many enjoyed and where employed in etc they simply took our heritage and shot it in the bin, even the majority must agree that removing heritage and culture is wrong, even if its a minority whom enjoy it, we allow halal slaughter as a compromise for a minority, despite our cultural preference being killed differently? slowly but sure many many laws came into place most needless but they came by the hundereds along with the stripping of our national identity culture and pride, its never about single issues , its about making th erich richer and making sure the poor stay that way but fit enough to graft or be looked down on

[desertbred 5,490]

 

 

I also know a young lad who had his arse handed to him over a deer so make of that what you will

Car, licence, dog, the works

Buckshee this hunting crack ain't it?

Win some lose some law of averages innit ? I know plenty got Asbo,s banning orders cars confiscated dogs pounded but it does not make it right or just I wouldnt expect anybody to stand and take a kick in the testes without defending it just my opinion.

 

But your not prepared to jump on a Grenade for the rest of the team so why should anyone else?

 

The Race has finished and we never left the traps

 

What a ludicrous statement does not even warrant a comment

Edited March 30, 2017 by desertbred

[trenchfoot 4,243]

Quick question

 

Has anyone here actually ever described what they do to a non hunter?

 

What did they say?

I have, many times. Most, once they get over the the "uncomfortable truths of nature" are more accepting, but it boils down to the fact that the ethos of hunting with dogs stands up to scrutiny. Its the ethics of some involved that pisses on its parade. And that is a fact I cannot argue with.

[desertbred 5,490]

Quick question

 

Has anyone here actually ever described what they do to a non hunter?

 

What did they say?

What are you rambling about? there are millions of non hunters even in families with a hunter.if some one asks then tell them otherwise why broadcast what is not really some one elses concern every man is responsible for his own actions.

Edited March 30, 2017 by desertbred

[arcticgun 4,548]

Quick question

 

Has anyone here actually ever described what they do to a non hunter?

 

What did they say?

I have and they simply don't like it, mind my answer to that is stay in the town on a weekend then, please don't feel the need to drive along the main busy roads whilst using your phone cos you seen me in a field, and John Craven n Countryfile told you that I'm going to sell your son heroin later when I'm done or maybe steal your father in laws tractor off his farm n me way home eh

 

Mind on other side of coin when they used to tell me how they spent there weekends I didn't feel the need to burn down or ban B&Q or the metrocentre where they spend ther weekends watching their wives spend their hard earned money, hoping that they will leave them enough for at least one pint as long as they home by 9pm lol

[THE STIFFMEISTER 16,123]

Desert red

 

Did you attend any c a marches?

[THE STIFFMEISTER 16,123]

 

Quick question

Has anyone here actually ever described what they do to a non hunter?

What did they say?

 

What are you rambling about? there are millions of non hunters even in families with a hunter.if some one asks then tell them otherwise why broadcast what is not really some one elses concern every man is responsible for his own actions.

 

You simply do not understand brother, inshallah you never do

[desertbred 5,490]

Desert red

 

Did you attend any c a marches?

I other wise occupied I was Ex UK from 1977 until 2009

[arcticgun 4,548]

hunting laws and permits etc should be a local matter dealt with at local level, if a farmer wants to allow lads or full hunts shooters etc to hunt then its his land and his business if he charges or takes a favour etc, town and city people should not be allowed to vote on rural matters that don't effect them,

 

now this problem has arisen from the rich seeking holiday/retirement homes in rural communities, however once they arrive they realise its not all Emmerdale farm, its got a history and culture they struggle to understand, and appear not too like or intend too tolerate, again a minority invoking its rule on a majority too suit themselves, sound familiar?, its getting that bad that kids fetched up in the countryside are driven out by yuppies purchasing their umpteenth investment, yet again divide and conquer just a new generation doing it and benefitting from it same old story innit just

[Squeamish5 309]

Seriously you need to approach this from a different angle.

We are increasingly living in a world where people eat factory farmed chicken breast and dress their dogs in tutus and yet still consider themselves 'animal lovers' (one of the most sick-making phrases).

Before too long, all dogs probably will be legally required to be neutered, muzzled and on lead in public places. (Poor gimp dogs).

So the gung-ho among you will carry on and 'f**k the ban' meanwhile the one thing you have in your arsenal that has any PR value will be consigned to the bin. Namely that you (some of you) know dogs and could be a conduit between the behemoth over-sanitised pet world and mans alleged 'best friend'.

(Jeez I'm not even a dog person but these poor creatures get a shitty deal from every side).