Accip74 7,112 Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 (edited) I don't why sterilisation even comes in to it. Stopping or greatly reducing immigration would reduce the decline and encourage people to have children again not just whites.Reducing immigration I get, but how does that equate to white folk encouraged to have bigger family's?Your cherry picking out of quote is a tad tiring. Did I not say "not just whites"?You do know why the baby boomers have that name don't you? You've told me people will start having more kids, why? I'm trying to learn here... You said "encourage people to have children again......" Why? Genuine question, I'm not taking the piss this time ;-) Edited March 25, 2017 by Accip74 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mickey Finn 3,012 Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 Trouble is, we will all be having these polite conversations till the cows come home but the tension will still exist.......cultures don't intergrate imho, they can exist in an uneasy peace but they will always be alien to each other. Everyone would be a lot happier and easier with each other if cultures stayed where they belong. Then you could visit if you want, experience them, all very nice an interesting and bugger off back home. Jmho WILF, that's a little ironic coming from an Englishman. You can't expect cultures and populations to stay put. That's not what people do historically. But the warring factions have found a way to undermine the traditional way we settle conflicts. Our own consciences prevent us from destroying whole populations and we try very hard not to even kill innocents the way it is. What we have tried limited war, eliminating tyrants, and even opening our borders to those who have been displaced has not worked. Maybe it's time to sit down and negotiate a peace plan. Once it's settled let the Muslims keep the peace from their end and we'll do the same for ours. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nik_B 3,790 Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 Immigration pushes down wages, that means the state can get away with pushing both men and women in to working which in turn has contributed to the declining birthrate, modern culture/media has a role because it's been encouraging women to put off having kids and put career first or follow individualistic paths which has lead to childless and often unhappy women. All of these things can be reversed it just takes some willpower and a change in direction. Yes people do need to be encouraged to have more children by the government, that is a normal thing for any country to do historically (baby boomers) and in present day such as Saudi which pays people for having children, the Poles have reversed their declining birthrate with government help, the Russians also and I would imagine some other Eastern (more traditional) countries are faring better. This is not a racial thing, it's a cultural thing....do we want our culture to continue? If the answer is yes then we've got to be honest about things, we need babies, and to fix our f*cked up societies, we have to admit that race IS an issue (small or large you decide) in our culture and civilization but it's not the only one and no I am not advocating White Supremacy which is the idea that Whites are supreme over all others....we are not, not in IQ nor physically. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Accip74 7,112 Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 Immigration pushes down wages, that means the state can get away with pushing both men and women in to working which in turn has contributed to the declining birthrate, modern culture/media has a role because it's been encouraging women to put off having kids and put career first or follow individualistic paths which has lead to childless and often unhappy women. All of these things can be reversed it just takes some willpower and a change in direction. Yes people do need to be encouraged to have more children by the government, that is a normal thing for any country to do historically (baby boomers) and in present day such as Saudi which pays people for having children, the Poles have reversed their declining birthrate with government help, the Russians also and I would imagine some other Eastern (more traditional) countries are faring better. This is not a racial thing, it's a cultural thing....do we want our culture to continue? If the answer is yes then we've got to be honest about things, we need babies, and to fix our f*cked up societies, we have to admit that race IS an issue (small or large you decide) in our culture and civilization but it's not the only one and no I am not advocating White Supremacy which is the idea that Whites are supreme over all others....we are not, not in IQ nor physically. I understand all that, it's obvious, but in the west it's a cultural trend beyond the constraints of mass immigration. Women have baby's later now, equality in the work place has enhanced that, there are far more career women than ever before & this is influenced by immigration? You start late, you have less kids....it's as simple as that. We have done the same ourselves. My wife has a great career, we got together late, beginning of 40's, so naturally, we have only had 2 kids.... I'm from a small town in Essex, with very little immigration, apart from white trash from London..haha But the birth rate is probably inline with anywhere else, starting later? So if we reduced immigration across the country, would the folk in my home town start having more kids? I'm honestly not against less immigration, but I question your logic.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nik_B 3,790 Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 Immigration pushes down wages, that means the state can get away with pushing both men and women in to working which in turn has contributed to the declining birthrate, modern culture/media has a role because it's been encouraging women to put off having kids and put career first or follow individualistic paths which has lead to childless and often unhappy women. All of these things can be reversed it just takes some willpower and a change in direction. Yes people do need to be encouraged to have more children by the government, that is a normal thing for any country to do historically (baby boomers) and in present day such as Saudi which pays people for having children, the Poles have reversed their declining birthrate with government help, the Russians also and I would imagine some other Eastern (more traditional) countries are faring better. This is not a racial thing, it's a cultural thing....do we want our culture to continue? If the answer is yes then we've got to be honest about things, we need babies, and to fix our f*cked up societies, we have to admit that race IS an issue (small or large you decide) in our culture and civilization but it's not the only one and no I am not advocating White Supremacy which is the idea that Whites are supreme over all others....we are not, not in IQ nor physically. I understand all that, it's obvious, but in the west it's a cultural trend beyond the constraints of mass immigration. Women have baby's later now, equality in the work place has enhanced that, there are far more career women than ever before & this is influenced by immigration? You start late, you have less kids....it's as simple as that. We have done the same ourselves. My wife has a great career, we got together late, beginning of 40's, so naturally, we have only had 2 kids.... I'm from a small town in Essex, with very little immigration, apart from white trash from London..haha But the birth rate is probably inline with anywhere else, starting later? So if we reduced immigration across the country, would the folk in my home town start having more kids? I'm honestly not against less immigration, but I question your logic.... Which logic? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nik_B 3,790 Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 I'm surprised BGD hasn't been all over me for back tracking on libertarianism lol. The only logic I have right now is I've come to the conclusion that we as a nation and culture had it all and we've f**ked it all up... We either try and find a way to fix what we have or the future is going to be very bleak for our kids and grandkids 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Accip74 7,112 Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 I'm surprised BGD hasn't been all over me for back tracking on libertarianism lol. The only logic I have right now is I've come to the conclusion that we as a nation and culture had it all and we've f**ked it all up... We either try and find a way to fix what we have or the future is going to be very bleak for our kids and grandkids Ok fine, so are we going to have more kids in the west, if we reduce immigration....taking all factors into consideration? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nik_B 3,790 Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 I'm surprised BGD hasn't been all over me for back tracking on libertarianism lol. The only logic I have right now is I've come to the conclusion that we as a nation and culture had it all and we've f**ked it all up... We either try and find a way to fix what we have or the future is going to be very bleak for our kids and grandkids Ok fine, so are we going to have more kids in the west, if we reduce immigration....taking all factors into consideration? You're obsessed with immigration Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 I'm surprised BGD hasn't been all over me for back tracking on libertarianism lol. The only logic I have right now is I've come to the conclusion that we as a nation and culture had it all and we've f**ked it all up... We either try and find a way to fix what we have or the future is going to be very bleak for our kids and grandkids It didn't go unnoticed Nothing wrong with your political ideals changing and evolving over time though, especially in response to new problems Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Accip74 7,112 Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 I'm surprised BGD hasn't been all over me for back tracking on libertarianism lol. The only logic I have right now is I've come to the conclusion that we as a nation and culture had it all and we've f**ked it all up... We either try and find a way to fix what we have or the future is going to be very bleak for our kids and grandkids Ok fine, so are we going to have more kids in the west, if we reduce immigration....taking all factors into consideration? You're obsessed with immigration Me???? Haha Come on Nik, answer the question, you started that interesting theory, so we reduce immigration & the remaining population increase it's birth rate? Right or wrong? Taking all factors into consideration? I'm open minded on this! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 More kids. In the curent situation most are struggling to make ends meet without the extra burden of kids. Lack of jobs. Zero contract hour etc etc etc. See it all the time. Folk with a hutch full of children being funded by the state! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
walshie 2,804 Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 I didn't want to get involved in this but i really don't think trying to outbreed the tribes is the answer, or even possible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nik_B 3,790 Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 I'm surprised BGD hasn't been all over me for back tracking on libertarianism lol. The only logic I have right now is I've come to the conclusion that we as a nation and culture had it all and we've f**ked it all up... We either try and find a way to fix what we have or the future is going to be very bleak for our kids and grandkids Ok fine, so are we going to have more kids in the west, if we reduce immigration....taking all factors into consideration? You're obsessed with immigration Me???? Haha Come on Nik, answer the question, you started that interesting theory, so we reduce immigration & the remaining population increase it's birth rate? Right or wrong? Taking all factors into consideration? I'm open minded on this! Talking to you is like walking threw buckets of chewing gum....the amount of energy expended is not worth making 1mm of progress You think you're a smart ass I get it. I just hope you are right and I am wrong since you also have children Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nik_B 3,790 Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 More kids. In the curent situation most are struggling to make ends meet without the extra burden of kids. Lack of jobs. Zero contract hour etc etc etc. See it all the time. Folk with a hutch full of children being funded by the state! Yet strangely we live in a society of obese people who all own smart phones, sky TV, broadband etc etc Nope don't buy it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Accip74 7,112 Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 I'm surprised BGD hasn't been all over me for back tracking on libertarianism lol. The only logic I have right now is I've come to the conclusion that we as a nation and culture had it all and we've f**ked it all up... We either try and find a way to fix what we have or the future is going to be very bleak for our kids and grandkids Ok fine, so are we going to have more kids in the west, if we reduce immigration....taking all factors into consideration? You're obsessed with immigration Me???? Haha Come on Nik, answer the question, you started that interesting theory, so we reduce immigration & the remaining population increase it's birth rate? Right or wrong? Taking all factors into consideration? I'm open minded on this! Talking to you is like walking threw buckets of chewing gum....the amount of energy expended is not worth making 1mm of progress You think you're a smart ass I get it. I just hope you are right and I am wrong since you also have children Nothing smart arse about me mate, I'm simple minded, so I just wanted a simple answer....that's all, if you can't take some really basic questioning, I'm sorry about that.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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