Trump Under Fire

[VOON 1,317]

2 hours ago, ChrisJones said:

Some actual news...

As of this post, a little over 58.6m people have already voted with around half of that tallied for the candidates.

Have a look here.

The site is updated as the tallied votes come in.

Do they conduct exit polls Chris?

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Just now, Francie said:

But it will implicate old Joe, you seem to have forgotten the wee vid of biden stating he got the prosecutor sacked? 

But the mainstream do t want to know as usual. 

It hasn't and it won't. This is all being released after the fact Team Trump have cleared him. Twice. That's in official Senate led inquiries and reports. If pro-Trump senate Republicans can't find evidence of wrongdoing what are you bringing in from rainy Donegal?

If anything new comes in, and it's legitimate and verifiable, by all means impeach the living piss out of him, but at this stage it's all bollocks until proven otherwise.

Pulling up blogs of dirt on him doesn't change anything at this stage. It's just noise until it isn't, and it still isn't. I have no support to give to either of these clowns in the duopoly and I couldn't care less unless some of the shit being thrown can actually stick. Blokes being paid millions that are actively working against Biden can't make it stick so what exactly are you bringing to the table here?

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1 minute ago, VOON said:

Do they conduct exit polls Chris?

They do but the site I listed are posting actual vote tallies from early voting. Not opinions they're current results. Granted they're just showing where we're up to, and don't predict or claim any kind of victory. Merely a running tally of party, and non party voters that have participated. It's almost two to one in favour of the Democrats but the official election day isn't until November 3rd.

Look at that tally as more of a run of tries in the first half. The game isn't over by any means.

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1 minute ago, ChrisJones said:

It hasn't and it won't. This is all being released after the fact Team Trump have cleared him. Twice. That's in official Senate led inquiries and reports. If pro-Trump senate Republicans can't find evidence of wrongdoing what are you bringing in from rainy Donegal?

If anything new comes in, and it's legitimate and verifiable, by all means impeach the living piss out of him, but at this stage it's all bollocks until proven otherwise.

Pulling up blogs of dirt on him doesn't change anything at this stage. It's just noise until it isn't, and it still isn't. I have no support to give to either of these clowns in the duopoly and I couldn't care less unless some of the shit being thrown can actually stick. Blokes being paid millions that are actively working against Biden can't make it stick so what exactly are you bringing to the table here?

So do you not think it was wrong of Joe to blackmail the ukranian  gov while he was vice president? 

By threatening to withhold 1 billion dollars if the prosecutor don't get sacked? 

 

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2 minutes ago, Francie said:

So do you not think it was wrong of Joe to blackmail the ukranian  gov while he was vice president? 

By threatening to withhold 1 billion dollars if the prosecutor don't get sacked?

My opinion doesn't matter. Your team concluded in two official investigations that he didn't do anything wrong. I don't know enough about it to care either way. I think they're both as crooked as they come, as is the case with most politicians but the Republican senate investigation doesn't agree.

Twice.

It changes nothing. It's just noise and it certainly doesn't seem to be harming the initial vote tally, which from what's happening in the tabloid news cycle is exactly what they appear to be trying to do. When Hillary's emails were on the news she was actually running for the job and it did have an effect but this isn't about the candidate this time. It's his son.

It doesn't matter if his son is all over the internet smacked out of his box and banging prostitutes. He isn't on the ballot.

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11 minutes ago, ChrisJones said:

They do but the site I listed are posting actual vote tallies from early voting. Not opinions they're current results. Granted they're just showing where we're up to, and don't predict or claim any kind of victory. Merely a running tally of party, and non party voters that have participated. It's almost two to one in favour of the Democrats but the official election day isn't until November 3rd.

Look at that tally as more of a run of tries in the first half. The game isn't over by any means.

It would be interesting to what way the people with no party affiliation were leaning.....Tell a tale....

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2 minutes ago, VOON said:

It would be interesting to what way the people with no party affiliation were leaning.....Tell a tale....

Agreed and I'm sure there will be plenty of data to sift through in the run up to election day. I can only go off where I'm at, and different states will differ immensely. There are over 1400 people running for president, believe it or not, but the duopoly of Republicans and Democrats will ensure that most people outside the US, and even those inside, only believe there are two.

The Libertarians are on the ballot for all 50 states and were shut out of the presidential debates because the debate committee is run by... guess who? Republicans and Democrats!

That all said this is very much a lesser of evils election and very much a referendum on Trumpism and his handling of the coronavirus pandemic. As has been rightly pointed out on this thread, a huge surge for Democrats isn't necessarily a big shift the left but more of a protest against Donald's style than anything else. Pretty much being the opposite of what we saw last time. The vast majority of people I speak to don't want either candidate in particular but want one of them in office, so the other team lose! Sound familiar?

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8 minutes ago, VOON said:

Tell a tale....

Where I am there is a surge of interest in the Libertarians based on the catastrophic presidential debates. Apparently I'm not alone thinking that we're voting to decide which stuttering imbecile should be our leader for the next 4 years. The way the electoral college works it's practically guaranteed that this state will go Republican although a solid third party vote would start to shift internal opinion away from the fringes.

It's hard to nail it down more than that.

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2 minutes ago, baker boy said:

I think we in the UK dont realise how much of a fckt up circus american politics is

If you look at the mainstream networks they all have party affiliation. Even 5000 miles away you'll roll your eyes if you see 'Breaking News' from CNN and it's completely understandable. There's a lot of information flying around all the time and it's hard to process, so when it gets condensed into manageable chunks people will read it. People will manipulate that.

In the UK you'll see nothing but Trump and Biden. At least here you'll get a snapshot of 'Other' in between the noise but even here you'll often have to dig for it. As you have no say in it whatsoever you'll probably be less inclined to do the digging as you have more important things to do in your daily life.

American politics for the most might as well be a sports network.

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@Francie What do you think of this one? Quid Pro Quo?

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48 minutes ago, ChrisJones said:

If you look at the mainstream networks they all have party affiliation. Even 5000 miles away you'll roll your eyes if you see 'Breaking News' from CNN and it's completely understandable. There's a lot of information flying around all the time and it's hard to process, so when it gets condensed into manageable chunks people will read it. People will manipulate that.

In the UK you'll see nothing but Trump and Biden. At least here you'll get a snapshot of 'Other' in between the noise but even here you'll often have to dig for it. As you have no say in it whatsoever you'll probably be less inclined to do the digging as you have more important things to do in your daily life.

American politics for the most might as well be a sports network.

All we see over here is anti trump news. Then some more anti trump waffle spaced beteeen more anti trum news. Never get a mention of the wonderfully clever congresswoman AOC. Or the huge American fan talib and the oh so Jewish loving Omar  wat a great bunch of politicians they are. If trump looses am sure we will see ther country loving politics push sleepy and the so truthful Kamala into the gutter as the takeover is certain  great ladies they are it’s just the dimwits who voted for them who need a brain scan and a are in  need a reality check possibly sectioning lol if them three can make congress thers real hope for the dinner lady in the local school who has no qualifications to run fir president Of the USA hold up we have Dianne Abbott another useless thick dopey cnt. it seems being a career politician works for thick dopey anti white cnts as Dianne is the boss I’d gladly pay her air fare to be head of the squad fkn useless dim brained parasite 

Edited October 25, 2020 by green lurchers

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3 minutes ago, green lurchers said:

All we see over here is anti trump news. Then some more anti trump waffle spaced beteeen more anti trum news. Never get a mention of the wonderfully clever congresswoman AOC. Or the huge American fan talib and the oh so Jewish loving Omar  wat a great bunch of politicians they are. If trump looses am sure we will see ther country loving politics push sleepy and the so truthful Kamala into the gutter as the takeover is certain  great ladies they are it’s just the dimwits who voted for them who need a brain scan and a are in  need a reality check possibly sectioning lol 

Understandable given the current and previous governments in the UK. AOC probably resonates with the British and European media because she's seen as a young socialist progressive in among a hard conservative hierarchy.

It says more about media corporations than anything else and kinda reinforces what I posted earlier about political affiliations. You have the news and then reporter's slant on the news. End result is the story. We've spent the last couple of decades using the limited time we have to consume the media that reinforces our per-conceived biases. 

With this thread it's easy for me to be critical of them because I think they're both useless. If my team wins, next month, I'd endeavour to be that critical too. I do have a dog in this fight and while it's a massive outsider I'm quite willing to hold them to the same scrutiny as the other two.

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12 minutes ago, ChrisJones said:

Understandable given the current and previous governments in the UK. AOC probably resonates with the British and European media because she's seen as a young socialist progressive in among a hard conservative hierarchy.

It says more about media corporations than anything else and kinda reinforces what I posted earlier about political affiliations. You have the news and then reporter's slant on the news. End result is the story. We've spent the last couple of decades using the limited time we have to consume the media that reinforces our per-conceived biases. 

With this thread it's easy for me to be critical of them because I think they're both useless. If my team wins, next month, I'd endeavour to be that critical too. I do have a dog in this fight and while it's a massive outsider I'm quite willing to hold them to the same scrutiny as the other two.

What I fail to get is who voted for any member of the squad and Dianne Abbott if you rolled them altogether you just get a pile of shit lol I rekon they hard pressed to topple the worthiness of a ten litre bilge pump sucking shit out of a tiny pond , that includes the people who voted for them

Edited October 25, 2020 by green lurchers

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9 minutes ago, green lurchers said:

What I fail to get is who voted for any member of the squad and Dianne Abbott if you rolled them altogether you just get a pile of shit lol I rekon they hard pressed to topple the worthiness of a ten litre bilge pump sucking shit out of a tiny pond , that includes the people who voted for them

It's been a weird few years. A lot of Americans are sick to death of the traditional political establishment. Don's win was testimony to that and these women were elected, and subsequently re-elected, under that same desire to change the status quo.