What Does Being British Mean To You?

[Silversnake 1,099]

 

 

Did the potatoe blight not effect main land Britain as it did Ireland. Also why would they not know the history. It was a part of the British Isles history.

At j

 

I'm going to be really unpopular with this next comment but fuuck it!!

 

The Blight and famine (although granted, could have been made less of an issue by the British government of the time - major missed opportunity IMO) was manufactured and caused by the Irish farmers themselves. Why you ask? The Irish farmers did not diversify their crop, grew only one type of potato, which incidentally was very susceptible to Blight and because of this their entire crops failed.

I will add to that mate, matters were made worse because grain and meat were worth a lot of money.......there was plenty of all of that to feed ireland but the British government decided it had a higher value than Irish lives and exported it all out of Ireland while people starved.........I think that's the really important bit.

I have heard this stuff, doesn't paint a pretty picture at all. My ancestry is largely Irish but I have english blood too. These stories don't make me proud of my English heritage...

[Silversnake 1,099]

 

 

Did the potatoe blight not effect main land Britain as it did Ireland. Also why would they not know the history. It was a part of the British Isles history.

At j

 

I'm going to be really unpopular with this next comment but fuuck it!!

 

The Blight and famine (although granted, could have been made less of an issue by the British government of the time - major missed opportunity IMO) was manufactured and caused by the Irish farmers themselves. Why you ask? The Irish farmers did not diversify their crop, grew only one type of potato, which incidentally was very susceptible to Blight and because of this their entire crops failed.

I will add to that mate, matters were made worse because grain and meat were worth a lot of money.......there was plenty of all of that to feed ireland but the British government decided it had a higher value than Irish lives and exported it all out of Ireland while people starved.........I think that's the really important bit.

I have heard this stuff, doesn't paint a pretty picture at all. My ancestry is largely Irish but I have english blood too. These stories don't make me proud of my English heritage...

[gnasher16 30,467]

 

 

so i will ask the un answered question again,,,,what about those people with mixed ethinc back ground ,,,at what point in the dilution,,to they become british??

If you cross a Larbrador with a Poodle at what point in the dilution does it become a pure Labrador ?......the real answer is never it will always be a mongrel.

 

The trick is to convince as many people as possible that a " Labradoodle " is infact a new pure breed............hence this new human breed we hear called " mixed race ".

 

 

my point is gnash,,,,there are many people out there with a none white ansester,,,very often in the old days covered up,,,so you might have someone with a great great grand parant thats black or asian,,,,it wouldnt stop you being english....there were lots that came back from the colonies with a half cast kid back in the 18th and 19th century .....and also lets be mindfull,,,that most of us are unable to trace our family history back much further than the 18th century,,,and even if we can,,,its just a name on paper,,,no pics so you can see what they look like

 

i dowt theres any breed of dog out there gnash without somthing else in its make up,,,so thats not the best analogy ,,,

 

When a dog is of no distinct breed Tomo and its documented heritage proves it is of no specific breed we call it a mongrel and a mongrel is not a recognised breed of dog the way a Labrador or a Poodle is..........so why when the same occurs in humans do we automatically recognise a new strain called " mixed race ".......obviously a persons ethnic identity has to involve basic common sense the same way as i might have a Labrador that looks like a Labrador,has all the personaility traits of a Labrador and 100 years of documented evidence to say its all Labrador,its then common sense logic to assume the dog is indeed a Labrador but whos to say 110 years ago there wasnt a dash of Poodle in there ?......should we go through life doubting our heritage based on ifs buts and maybes.......and while on the subject of mixed race why do we automatically tag them British just because they were born here they might have a tiny % of British blood amongst generations of African,Pakistani,Chinese,West Indian anything........why British......would China accept a mixed race person as Chinese i dont know.

Edited March 26, 2017 by gnasher16

[Nik_B 3,790]

 

 

 

so i will ask the un answered question again,,,,what about those people with mixed ethinc back ground ,,,at what point in the dilution,,to they become british??

If you cross a Larbrador with a Poodle at what point in the dilution does it become a pure Labrador ?......the real answer is never it will always be a mongrel.

 

The trick is to convince as many people as possible that a " Labradoodle " is infact a new pure breed............hence this new human breed we hear called " mixed race ".

 

 

my point is gnash,,,,there are many people out there with a none white ansester,,,very often in the old days covered up,,,so you might have someone with a great great grand parant thats black or asian,,,,it wouldnt stop you being english....there were lots that came back from the colonies with a half cast kid back in the 18th and 19th century .....and also lets be mindfull,,,that most of us are unable to trace our family history back much further than the 18th century,,,and even if we can,,,its just a name on paper,,,no pics so you can see what they look like

 

i dowt theres any breed of dog out there gnash without somthing else in its make up,,,so thats not the best analogy ,,,

 

When a dog is of no distinct breed Tomo and its documented heritage proves it is of no specific breed we call it a mongrel and a mongrel is not a recognised breed of dog the way a Labrador or a Poodle is..........so why when the same occurs in humans do we automatically recognise a new strain called " mixed race ".......obviously a persons ethnic identity has to involve basic common sense the same way as i might have a Labrador that looks like a Labrador,has all the personaility traits of a Labrador and 100 years of documented evidence to say its all Labrador,its then common sense logic to assume the dog is indeed a Labrador but whos to say 110 years ago there wasnt a dash of Poodle in there ?......should we go through life doubting our heritage based on ifs buts and maybes.......and while on the subject of mixed race why do we automatically tag them British just because they were born here they might have a tiny % of British blood amongst generations of African,Pakistani,Chinese,West Indian anything........why British......would China accept a mixed race person as Chinese i dont know.

 

 

I identify as an AH-64 Attack Helicopter...I demand you refer to me using my prefered pro-noun

[TOMO 26,764]

 

 

 

so i will ask the un answered question again,,,,what about those people with mixed ethinc back ground ,,,at what point in the dilution,,to they become british??

If you cross a Larbrador with a Poodle at what point in the dilution does it become a pure Labrador ?......the real answer is never it will always be a mongrel.

 

The trick is to convince as many people as possible that a " Labradoodle " is infact a new pure breed............hence this new human breed we hear called " mixed race ".

 

 

my point is gnash,,,,there are many people out there with a none white ansester,,,very often in the old days covered up,,,so you might have someone with a great great grand parant thats black or asian,,,,it wouldnt stop you being english....there were lots that came back from the colonies with a half cast kid back in the 18th and 19th century .....and also lets be mindfull,,,that most of us are unable to trace our family history back much further than the 18th century,,,and even if we can,,,its just a name on paper,,,no pics so you can see what they look like

 

i dowt theres any breed of dog out there gnash without somthing else in its make up,,,so thats not the best analogy ,,,

 

When a dog is of no distinct breed Tomo and its documented heritage proves it is of no specific breed we call it a mongrel and a mongrel is not a recognised breed of dog the way a Labrador or a Poodle is..........so why when the same occurs in humans do we automatically recognise a new strain called " mixed race ".......obviously a persons ethnic identity has to involve basic common sense the same way as i might have a Labrador that looks like a Labrador,has all the personaility traits of a Labrador and 100 years of documented evidence to say its all Labrador,its then common sense logic to assume the dog is indeed a Labrador but whos to say 110 years ago there wasnt a dash of Poodle in there ?......should we go through life doubting our heritage based on ifs buts and maybes.......and while on the subject of mixed race why do we automatically tag them British just because they were born here they might have a tiny % of British blood amongst generations of African,Pakistani,Chinese,West Indian anything........why British......would China accept a mixed race person as Chinese i dont know.

 

 

 

yes there might only be a tiny % of british blood,,,,but the reverse of that might be the case also,,in other words there might be generations of british blood with just a dash of the other,,,,wich has kind of been my point...

 

accip put up the pic of his daughter,,,who although half algerian looked very english,,,,i can relate to that,,,as she was very similar looking to my own daughter at the same age,,,my own kids have a higher persentage of white blood than black,,,if they then have children with white partners ,,,i think you would be hard pressed to see any colour in my grand kids....

 

i think those labels we use,,,,ie black british,,,,are a good description,,,theres not any other terms we can use really,,,after all british folk are white,,,however black folk that are born here,,and only really know this culture are bitish,,,,my wife whos mixed has to fill in official forms for passports ect as mixed bitish,,,,but if you ask her what nationality she is ,,,she will say english,,

[bird 9,982]

 

 

 

 

so i will ask the un answered question again,,,,what about those people with mixed ethinc back ground ,,,at what point in the dilution,,to they become british??

If you cross a Larbrador with a Poodle at what point in the dilution does it become a pure Labrador ?......the real answer is never it will always be a mongrel.

 

The trick is to convince as many people as possible that a " Labradoodle " is infact a new pure breed............hence this new human breed we hear called " mixed race ".

 

 

my point is gnash,,,,there are many people out there with a none white ansester,,,very often in the old days covered up,,,so you might have someone with a great great grand parant thats black or asian,,,,it wouldnt stop you being english....there were lots that came back from the colonies with a half cast kid back in the 18th and 19th century .....and also lets be mindfull,,,that most of us are unable to trace our family history back much further than the 18th century,,,and even if we can,,,its just a name on paper,,,no pics so you can see what they look like

 

i dowt theres any breed of dog out there gnash without somthing else in its make up,,,so thats not the best analogy ,,,

 

When a dog is of no distinct breed Tomo and its documented heritage proves it is of no specific breed we call it a mongrel and a mongrel is not a recognised breed of dog the way a Labrador or a Poodle is..........so why when the same occurs in humans do we automatically recognise a new strain called " mixed race ".......obviously a persons ethnic identity has to involve basic common sense the same way as i might have a Labrador that looks like a Labrador,has all the personaility traits of a Labrador and 100 years of documented evidence to say its all Labrador,its then common sense logic to assume the dog is indeed a Labrador but whos to say 110 years ago there wasnt a dash of Poodle in there ?......should we go through life doubting our heritage based on ifs buts and maybes.......and while on the subject of mixed race why do we automatically tag them British just because they were born here they might have a tiny % of British blood amongst generations of African,Pakistani,Chinese,West Indian anything........why British......would China accept a mixed race person as Chinese i dont know.

 

 

 

yes there might only be a tiny % of british blood,,,,but the reverse of that might be the case also,,in other words there might be generations of british blood with just a dash of the other,,,,wich has kind of been my point...

 

accip put up the pic of his daughter,,,who although half algerian looked very english,,,,i can relate to that,,,as she was very similar looking to my own daughter at the same age,,,my own kids have a higher persentage of white blood than black,,,if they then have children with white partners ,,,i think you would be hard pressed to see any colour in my grand kids....

 

i think those labels we use,,,,ie black british,,,,are a good description,,,theres not any other terms we can use really,,,after all british folk are white,,,however black folk that are born here,,and only really know this culture are bitish,,,,my wife whos mixed has to fill in official forms for passports ect as mixed bitish,,,,but if you ask her what nationality she is ,,,she will say english,,

 

didn't know that tomo , that being born here , that she had fill in mixed race person on her passport , she right she english . But i was thinking the other day what halfcast =mixed race people feel, where they feel they belong to either white groups , or black groups . there a program on bbc1 the week think its tuesday, about rio ferdinand this is just about him being dad/mom after his wife died . But i think he once said years back , sometimes he didnt really know what peer group he belonged to black or white , but said he done well in sport and it made life easier for him, like few other top footballers who off mixed race origin .

[desertbred 5,490]

Tomo mate answer me a question if your wife and kids describe themselves as English British that is their right to do so. Why say white these folk dont have white skin its pigmented just as their eyes hair lips etc are. How many can claim to be soley Anglo non its same with white European Italians, Spanish. Greek Roma in Hungary , Rumania,Bulgaria are far from white complexion some are much lighter skinned My own Parents are Iranian/Nirish but my Fathers Ancestors originate from Arabia 1360 years ago and settled in N/East Iran , my Mothers family originate from France coming to france With William 1st my Father called himself Iranian and my Mother calls herself Irish so your kids and wife and you are English British what ever you want to label yourselves.What do you consider them?

[TOMO 26,764]

i concider them english mate,,,other folk may have a difrent view point,,,

[mushroom 13,253]

i concider them english mate,,,other folk may have a difrent view point,,,

I don't have a different viewpoint mate.

 

I've met them and they are perfectly behaved, English kids

 

 

English isn't a race, French, Spanish etc these are not races..... They are nationalities!

 

Caucasian, Latino, Negro, Polynesian etc... These are races with all sorts of diversity within them. Ffs who cares if we mix the races. This is not the question nor the problem. The question is why do some types not/refuse to integrate into the NATIONS they migrate to?

 

Being British is holding in your heart the very values, ideas and freedoms that once made us the greatest nation on earth. That don't mean nothing for the colour of your skin.

[BGD 6,436]

Good post mush, seems there's a bit of confusion in this thread over ethnicity and nationality.

[Onlyworkmatters 1,584]

[Accip74 7,112]

 

 

 

 

so i will ask the un answered question again,,,,what about those people with mixed ethinc back ground ,,,at what point in the dilution,,to they become british??

 

If you cross a Larbrador with a Poodle at what point in the dilution does it become a pure Labrador ?......the real answer is never it will always be a mongrel.

 

The trick is to convince as many people as possible that a " Labradoodle " is infact a new pure breed............hence this new human breed we hear called " mixed race ".

my point is gnash,,,,there are many people out there with a none white ansester,,,very often in the old days covered up,,,so you might have someone with a great great grand parant thats black or asian,,,,it wouldnt stop you being english....there were lots that came back from the colonies with a half cast kid back in the 18th and 19th century .....and also lets be mindfull,,,that most of us are unable to trace our family history back much further than the 18th century,,,and even if we can,,,its just a name on paper,,,no pics so you can see what they look like

 

i dowt theres any breed of dog out there gnash without somthing else in its make up,,,so thats not the best analogy ,,,

When a dog is of no distinct breed Tomo and its documented heritage proves it is of no specific breed we call it a mongrel and a mongrel is not a recognised breed of dog the way a Labrador or a Poodle is..........so why when the same occurs in humans do we automatically recognise a new strain called " mixed race ".......obviously a persons ethnic identity has to involve basic common sense the same way as i might have a Labrador that looks like a Labrador,has all the personaility traits of a Labrador and 100 years of documented evidence to say its all Labrador,its then common sense logic to assume the dog is indeed a Labrador but whos to say 110 years ago there wasnt a dash of Poodle in there ?......should we go through life doubting our heritage based on ifs buts and maybes.......and while on the subject of mixed race why do we automatically tag them British just because they were born here they might have a tiny % of British blood amongst generations of African,Pakistani,Chinese,West Indian anything........why British......would China accept a mixed race person as Chinese i dont know.

 

yes there might only be a tiny % of british blood,,,,but the reverse of that might be the case also,,in other words there might be generations of british blood with just a dash of the other,,,,wich has kind of been my point...

 

accip put up the pic of his daughter,,,who although half algerian looked very english,,,,i can relate to that,,,as she was very similar looking to my own daughter at the same age,,,my own kids have a higher persentage of white blood than black,,,if they then have children with white partners ,,,i think you would be hard pressed to see any colour in my grand kids....

 

i think those labels we use,,,,ie black british,,,,are a good description,,,theres not any other terms we can use really,,,after all british folk are white,,,however black folk that are born here,,and only really know this culture are bitish,,,,my wife whos mixed has to fill in official forms for passports ect as mixed bitish,,,,but if you ask her what nationality she is ,,,she will say english,,

Both my kids are the same tomo, you never guess either were anything other than Western European. My wife was born in France & considers herself french.....she was raised to think that.

[neems 2,406]

A nation is a group who share a culture,language and ethnicity.

It's not a place,or some obscure set of values that get parroted by MP's,'tolerance,fair play,democracy' etc or any other set of values,no matter how much you like the sound of them.

 

For better or worse a person is born British and can never be of any other nation,nor can anyone become British.

[mushroom 13,253]

A nation is a group who share a culture,language and ethnicity.

It's not a place,or some obscure set of values that get parroted by MP's,'tolerance,fair play,democracy' etc or any other set of values,no matter how much you like the sound of them.

 

For better or worse a person is born British and can never be of any other nation,nor can anyone become British.

Do you realise how many native languages were spoken in England up until only 100 years ago? How many ethnicities make up English? Do you even know how many languages were melted up, mixed around and poured out to create English?

 

People would belong to the nation they are born into, that is if their communities didn't make them something else

 

Ethnicity is the diversity in a race, not the race.

[tandors 888]

Is the answer 1?