leegreen 2,210 Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 Just watching that and it struck me how far today's dogs have come away from the way nature intend them to hunt. That single wolf looked for the weakest animal in the herd to kill, which when you think about it benefits both the prey and the hunter. Today's dogs are expected to take any prey species on without a thought. Just made me wonder if there are dogs that have a natural instinct akin to a wolf's that would refuse to run because the reward would not justify the effort? Just a thought. TC they do exist, they are called collie x's. yep, its one of the qualities i like in them. pity some folks equate this with jacking! A dog that refuses to run is exactly that. How many times have you slipped your dog, even on a long range seemingly uncatchable rabbit and then the game makes a mistake and the dog catches it (a bit like that Wolfs catch). I like to make my choices for my dog, not my dog for me. Don't get me wrong, I like my dog to think, but not to the point it thinks "feck it, I'll not bother with this one." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Saluki246 1,053 Posted March 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 beast, thanks for them clips, i have seen them before, but enjoy watching them again. That wolf in the clip i put up is a big wolf, as caribu are big too, it did very well in my opinion. I know some may think it jacked on others, but thats not how it works in the wild, as if they get injured, their dead, no vet to save them out their, so they have to use their brain more. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beast 1,884 Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 Just watching that and it struck me how far today's dogs have come away from the way nature intend them to hunt. That single wolf looked for the weakest animal in the herd to kill, which when you think about it benefits both the prey and the hunter. Today's dogs are expected to take any prey species on without a thought. Just made me wonder if there are dogs that have a natural instinct akin to a wolf's that would refuse to run because the reward would not justify the effort? Just a thought. TC they do exist, they are called collie x's. yep, its one of the qualities i like in them. pity some folks equate this with jacking! A dog that refuses to run is exactly that. How many times have you slipped your dog, even on a long range seemingly uncatchable rabbit and then the game makes a mistake and the dog catches it (a bit like that Wolfs catch). I like to make my choices for my dog, not my dog for me. Don't get me wrong, I like my dog to think, but not to the point it thinks "feck it, I'll not bother with this one." see, to me there is a refusal to run, and learning what is realistic. if my dogs just ran everything that moved they would be blown out with what i want from them and how/where i hunt. you obviously want different things than me and thats fine, but i wouldnt call my dogs jackers, to me that is something different picking your runs is not the same as quitting, to me 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
onion jonny 527 Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 bit hard for me i much prefer a bayer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogMan85 722 Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 Those wolves showing gameness there, the most mysterious of all traits. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
leegreen 2,210 Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 Just watching that and it struck me how far today's dogs have come away from the way nature intend them to hunt. That single wolf looked for the weakest animal in the herd to kill, which when you think about it benefits both the prey and the hunter. Today's dogs are expected to take any prey species on without a thought. Just made me wonder if there are dogs that have a natural instinct akin to a wolf's that would refuse to run because the reward would not justify the effort? Just a thought. TC they do exist, they are called collie x's. yep, its one of the qualities i like in them. pity some folks equate this with jacking! A dog that refuses to run is exactly that. How many times have you slipped your dog, even on a long range seemingly uncatchable rabbit and then the game makes a mistake and the dog catches it (a bit like that Wolfs catch). I like to make my choices for my dog, not my dog for me. Don't get me wrong, I like my dog to think, but not to the point it thinks "feck it, I'll not bother with this one." see, to me there is a refusal to run, and learning what is realistic. if my dogs just ran everything that moved they would be blown out with what i want from them and how/where i hunt. you obviously want different things than me and thats fine, but i wouldnt call my dogs jackers, to me that is something different picking your runs is not the same as quitting, to me I understand what you're saying, I wouldn't expect my dogs to run everything, that's just daft and I wouldn't ask them to do so. But I as I said, I like to choose the runs not my dogs. Think I have more experience and know the limitations of the dogs I work with and I'm sure you do too . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Silversnake 1,099 Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 I expect my pig dog to run past the weak and seek out the biggest baddest boar in the mob and he usually does. Alot of pig dogs don't have to be taught this, they seem to do it for 'the fight'. This is sport, wolves generally hunt for survival, though when food is in abundance will kill for sport but I don't think they would attack caribou for sport. Glorious times we live in, hunting with our bellies full... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
j j m 6,561 Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 there some hunter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dinosaurs 2,109 Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 Seen a lot of roe taken by big & small dogs back in the day but never seen a dog take a big fallow. I assume size diff comparable to wolf v caribou?? Atb Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marshman 7,758 Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 In the 90s I had a saluki lurcher bitch I slipped her on a hare that was making for a row of conifers . I watched her go to the hare but it looked like she was running half hearted I can mind thinking she's gonna pull up . Anyway she carried on going just sort of loping but she was watching the hare . The hare ran along the conifers and back out the same field buton the other side . Once the bitch see the hare making out into open ground she put her foot down and had a good run and catching . To this day I think if the hare had gone through the conifers she would've come back or jacked. The hare never and her job was a lot harder but she still caught. Or maybe she knew if she forced the hare it wouldn't have gone the way it did I don't know good run though ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ftm 3,357 Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 saw plenty dogs take big fallow single handed I owned a 1st x collie grey that done them [back in day] a lad from Cumbria ran a greyhound x alsation that done them [easy] saw a greyhound x lab do them too -I sold 2 dogs to a lad from isle of dogs and one of them [shep] took loads of reds for him -mind you that dog was a head case 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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