DogMan85 722 Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) Like him or not haye was more watchable than the 6 foot 6 inch plus giants that are left in the division hugging each other like slow set songs at a teenage disco. The tactics might work for the big fighters but it's ruining boxing as an exciting sport. Those giants should be given their own division to stop them preventing talented boxers from shining through. Couldnt agree more ive been saying for years there needs to be a super heavyweight division.......when sport gets to the stage where Tyson Fury would probably beat Rocky Marciano/Joe Frazier etc you know something needs to be changed ! As for Haye he is a far better boxer than the majority of heavyweights he just isnt big enough.....not even for Bellew at this stage of his career. I still can't agree with you on that subject. There's always been giant HW's around. The thing that needs to be penalised more is clinching, without clinching these behemoths would have to work more. We would also see a rise in inside fighting, the jab and grab technique should not be allowed full stop. Edited March 10, 2017 by DogMan85 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogMan85 722 Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 Like him or not haye was more watchable than the 6 foot 6 inch plus giants that are left in the division hugging each other like slow set songs at a teenage disco. The tactics might work for the big fighters but it's ruining boxing as an exciting sport. Those giants should be given their own division to stop them preventing talented boxers from shining through.Couldnt agree more ive been saying for years there needs to be a super heavyweight division.......when sport gets to the stage where Tyson Fury would probably beat Rocky Marciano/Joe Frazier etc you know something needs to be changed ! As for Haye he is a far better boxer than the majority of heavyweights he just isnt big enough.....not even for Bellew at this stage of his career. exactly Haye isn't big enough 25 year ago he would have been plenty big. Rocky Marciano and Mike Tyson were smaller than him yeh both them under 6ft, Haye 6ft 2in 15st , tyson 5ft 11 1/2 16st , dont think rocky was even 14 st and 5ft 10 i think , yeh you right Haye a normal size heavy , not like these super size heavies of today . 6ft 6in 17-19st Marciano wouldn't even be a HW in today's era. He would almost certainly boil down to LHW, CW would be pointless as it's a nothing division. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lenmcharristar 9,786 Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 look at jess willard and jack dempsey, willard was a different man after fighting the smaller opponent 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 8,055 Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 Like him or not haye was more watchable than the 6 foot 6 inch plus giants that are left in the division hugging each other like slow set songs at a teenage disco. The tactics might work for the big fighters but it's ruining boxing as an exciting sport. Those giants should be given their own division to stop them preventing talented boxers from shining through. Couldnt agree more ive been saying for years there needs to be a super heavyweight division.......when sport gets to the stage where Tyson Fury would probably beat Rocky Marciano/Joe Frazier etc you know something needs to be changed ! As for Haye he is a far better boxer than the majority of heavyweights he just isnt big enough.....not even for Bellew at this stage of his career. Have to disagree about Fury being able to beat Joe Frazier. I think Joe would have kept very close to Fury and sickened him with the regularity and viciousness of his punches. Ali couldn't sicken him, I don't think Fury would have come even close to sickening him. Frazier was one of the gamest boxers in the history of the game in my opinion. On a different note, I watched another embarrassing Fury interview this week. He says he's conquered his psychological problems and then went on to state that he hated the game, was sick of it and didn't care whether he won or lost his next fight. I don't think he'll ever be right, he's turning out to be another Oliver McCall. If only he would shut his mouth, refuse to take interviews, keep clean and lose that weight he could secure his financial future. I don't think he's got it in him though.Sad. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDHUNTING 1,817 Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 Like him or not haye was more watchable than the 6 foot 6 inch plus giants that are left in the division hugging each other like slow set songs at a teenage disco. The tactics might work for the big fighters but it's ruining boxing as an exciting sport. Those giants should be given their own division to stop them preventing talented boxers from shining through. Couldnt agree more ive been saying for years there needs to be a super heavyweight division.......when sport gets to the stage where Tyson Fury would probably beat Rocky Marciano/Joe Frazier etc you know something needs to be changed ! As for Haye he is a far better boxer than the majority of heavyweights he just isnt big enough.....not even for Bellew at this stage of his career. I still can't agree with you on that subject. There's always been giant HW's around. The thing that needs to be penalised more is clinching, without clinching these behemoths would have to work more. We would also see a rise in inside fighting, the jab and grab technique should not be allowed full stop. I think there's more large blokes about these days so more chance of a large top athlete, plus with modern conditioning,shorter bouts and refs more likely to stop a bout early they don't suffer the negative parts of carrying a huge amount of weight like they once would Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lenmcharristar 9,786 Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 Like him or not haye was more watchable than the 6 foot 6 inch plus giants that are left in the division hugging each other like slow set songs at a teenage disco. The tactics might work for the big fighters but it's ruining boxing as an exciting sport. Those giants should be given their own division to stop them preventing talented boxers from shining through. Couldnt agree more ive been saying for years there needs to be a super heavyweight division.......when sport gets to the stage where Tyson Fury would probably beat Rocky Marciano/Joe Frazier etc you know something needs to be changed ! As for Haye he is a far better boxer than the majority of heavyweights he just isnt big enough.....not even for Bellew at this stage of his career. Have to disagree about Fury being able to beat Joe Frazier. I think Joe would have kept very close to Fury and sickened him with the regularity and viciousness of his punches. Ali couldn't sicken him, I don't think Fury would have come even close to sickening him. Frazier was one of the gamest boxers in the history of the game in my opinion. On a different note, I watched another embarrassing Fury interview this week. He says he's conquered his psychological problems and then went on to state that he hated the game, was sick of it and didn't care whether he won or lost his next fight. I don't think he'll ever be right, he's turning out to be another Oliver McCall. If only he would shut his mouth, refuse to take interviews, keep clean and lose that weight he could secure his financial future. I don't think he's got it in him though.Sad. fury????? the fight would be Frasier v Marciano, but frazier got kod by foreman, guess its just styles that suits fighters, the fighter that is flexible and adaptable stands the better chance, fraziers attack style suited foreman but alis defense caused him to punch himself out, would fury even stand a chance against any of the three? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,121 Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) Like him or not haye was more watchable than the 6 foot 6 inch plus giants that are left in the division hugging each other like slow set songs at a teenage disco. The tactics might work for the big fighters but it's ruining boxing as an exciting sport. Those giants should be given their own division to stop them preventing talented boxers from shining through.Couldnt agree more ive been saying for years there needs to be a super heavyweight division.......when sport gets to the stage where Tyson Fury would probably beat Rocky Marciano/Joe Frazier etc you know something needs to be changed ! As for Haye he is a far better boxer than the majority of heavyweights he just isnt big enough.....not even for Bellew at this stage of his career. I still can't agree with you on that subject. There's always been giant HW's around. The thing that needs to be penalised more is clinching, without clinching these behemoths would have to work more. We would also see a rise in inside fighting, the jab and grab technique should not be allowed full stop. " always " ? when has there ever been a 6 ft 9 inch 20 stone heavyweight fighting at world level.....bar that Russian freak. With those type of physical advantages a fight can be won on the jab alone with no other assets.......that cant be right in something we term " a fight " Edited March 10, 2017 by gnasher16 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,121 Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 Have to disagree about Fury being able to beat Joe Frazier. I think Joe would have kept very close to Fury and sickened him with the regularity and viciousness of his punches. Ali couldn't sicken him, I don't think Fury would have come even close to sickening him. Frazier was one of the gamest boxers in the history of the game in my opinion. I agree Frazier was probably one of the gamest men to ever step foot in a ring.......but its like a hard biting bulldog up against a hold out ear dog that hard biting dog will burn himself up in frustration......Fury has a foot in height and the same in reach over Frazier and would have enough strength to keep him from getting close and tie him up when he does.........it would be like a little boy trying to hit his dad while the dad places his hand on the boys head holding him at distance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,121 Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 fury????? the fight would be Frasier v Marciano, but frazier got kod by foreman, guess its just styles that suits fighters, the fighter that is flexible and adaptable stands the better chance, fraziers attack style suited foreman but alis defense caused him to punch himself out, would fury even stand a chance against any of the three? Yes......and thats why something has to change. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lenmcharristar 9,786 Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 fury????? the fight would be Frasier v Marciano, but frazier got kod by foreman, guess its just styles that suits fighters, the fighter that is flexible and adaptable stands the better chance, fraziers attack style suited foreman but alis defense caused him to punch himself out, would fury even stand a chance against any of the three? Yes......and thats why something has to change. the goliath division? wheres all the giant black men? they prob playing basket ball making millions instead of the fight game. surely the plan is to hit n move with the giants get them to tire out Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jiggy 3,209 Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) fury????? the fight would be Frasier v Marciano, but frazier got kod by foreman, guess its just styles that suits fighters, the fighter that is flexible and adaptable stands the better chance, fraziers attack style suited foreman but alis defense caused him to punch himself out, would fury even stand a chance against any of the three? Yes......and thats why something has to change. the goliath division? wheres all the giant black men? they prob playing basket ball making millions instead of the fight game. surely the plan is to hit n move with the giants get them to tire outthe giants aren't tiring out because they plant their feet and don't have to move and don't burn out. They keep smaller fighters at bay with the jab and then when the smaller man does get inside they lean on top of them with their weight which exhausts the opponent and the smaller man ends up gassing. The big fighters like Furey get better as the fight goes on because they aren't doing the chasing. Edited March 10, 2017 by jiggy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MickC 1,825 Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) Primo Canera was a monster of a man but he was only 6'6",he was lauded as the biggest ever heavyweight of all time but he was fighting from the 1920s throught till the 1940s.The biggest ever heavyweight was Jess Willard at 6'7" until Valuev came along at 7' . Edited March 10, 2017 by MickC Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogMan85 722 Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 Like him or not haye was more watchable than the 6 foot 6 inch plus giants that are left in the division hugging each other like slow set songs at a teenage disco. The tactics might work for the big fighters but it's ruining boxing as an exciting sport. Those giants should be given their own division to stop them preventing talented boxers from shining through.Couldnt agree more ive been saying for years there needs to be a super heavyweight division.......when sport gets to the stage where Tyson Fury would probably beat Rocky Marciano/Joe Frazier etc you know something needs to be changed ! As for Haye he is a far better boxer than the majority of heavyweights he just isnt big enough.....not even for Bellew at this stage of his career. I still can't agree with you on that subject. There's always been giant HW's around. The thing that needs to be penalised more is clinching, without clinching these behemoths would have to work more. We would also see a rise in inside fighting, the jab and grab technique should not be allowed full stop. " always " ? when has there ever been a 6 ft 9 inch 20 stone heavyweight fighting at world level.....bar that Russian freak. With those type of physical advantages a fight can be won on the jab alone with no other assets.......that cant be right in something we term " a fight " Yes there's always been giants around, them being at world level tells more about them and the class of fighter they are facing. Of course size has an advantage but it can be overcome, let's not forget that this 6'9" fighter was put on his ass by a pumped up Cruiserweight. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogMan85 722 Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 fury????? the fight would be Frasier v Marciano, but frazier got kod by foreman, guess its just styles that suits fighters, the fighter that is flexible and adaptable stands the better chance, fraziers attack style suited foreman but alis defense caused him to punch himself out, would fury even stand a chance against any of the three? Yes......and thats why something has to change. the goliath division? wheres all the giant black men? they prob playing basket ball making millions instead of the fight game. surely the plan is to hit n move with the giants get them to tire outthe giants aren't tiring out because they plant their feet and don't have to move and don't burn out. They keep smaller fighters at bay with the jab and then when the smaller man does get inside they lean on top of them with their weight which exhausts the opponent and the smaller man ends up gassing. The big fighters like Furey get better as the fight goes on because they aren't doing the chasing. Clinching should be penalised more, doing so should automatically lose you the round. This would have to make the giants work more on the inside, none of this jab and grab technique. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,121 Posted March 12, 2017 Report Share Posted March 12, 2017 " always " ? when has there ever been a 6 ft 9 inch 20 stone heavyweight fighting at world level.....bar that Russian freak. With those type of physical advantages a fight can be won on the jab alone with no other assets.......that cant be right in something we term " a fight "Yes there's always been giants around, them being at world level tells more about them and the class of fighter they are facing. Of course size has an advantage but it can be overcome, let's not forget that this 6'9" fighter was put on his ass by a pumped up Cruiserweight. Who ? what are their names ?......as Mick said their was Carnera and Willard at 6 ft 6/7.....beyond that the only one i can think of is Gerry Cooney.... The last thing a pressure fighter like Frazier or Marciano want to face is movement and a giant like Fury who can shift when he needs to would be an absolute nightmare for them guys yet they were 10 times the fighter Fury is.......it go,s against the entire principal of competitive sport when a physical advantage can overcome talent and ability. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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