neil cooney 10,416 Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 They all started from doubled up fox dogs,, then roughly fine tuned through the years.. Very true. Quote Link to post
p3d 879 Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 Really,,,,patterdales suffer the most abuse by idiots because generally they are fairly easy to enter and used by fools easily ruined ...A patterdales likes to work for its self generally...A border generally likes to work for its owner usually with a decent bond....In the world of the five minute wonder terrier man shoot them at 10 months old type idiot the working terrier world seems to idolise at the moment...The border terrier or any working dog is probably better off with cash hungry owners rather than the low lifes I've seen in the last decades that have done their best to destroy everything a lot of us held dear in this sport ,,generally. Downsview, IMHO the Border is a working dog of the past. There may be a couple of pedigree show Borders that graft and keep there owners happy but can they produce a litter of workers off them, I am not so sure. I can understand your post as there is a hard man mentality that can creep into terrierwork if not checked. Any terrier that is worth its salt should work because it wants to, where the line gets crossed in breeding terms is terriers that have no sense. This type are easy to start and take very little input from a person who is not a dog man. Unfortunately they also can have a short working season. They spend more time in sickbay than hunting. This is not traditional terrierwork and would not even exist without the locator collar. But you cannot have that conversation with this type of person, they are too set in their ways. Best to leave them off. Quote Link to post
Kaizer Sozĕ 266 Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 IMHO no terrier can or will work to std. to please its owner. When I say std. I dont mean working an easy earth against a soft fox every now and again. I mean a terrier working regular, all types of earths & all types of foxes throughout a long season. 1 Quote Link to post
Kaizer Sozĕ 266 Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 A decent fox in a decent earth will quickly show up any showpony terrier carrying out its work to please its owner! 2 Quote Link to post
downsview 448 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Just shows there's definitely a super abundance of no.marks on this site.....To get the best out of any terrier a decent working bond (trust almost)is needed ,more so with borders than other breeds,sure there lots of people digging regularly to terriers but there not getting the best out of Thier dogs and they don't even know it 1 Quote Link to post
donnyc 1,203 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 plenty being worked to a good standard though most are on the hard side..Just knowing where to look..Not late starters either its the way they are brought up JMHO 1 Quote Link to post
sooty92 105 Posted February 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 plenty being worked to a good standard though most are on the hard side..Just knowing where to look..Not late starters either its the way they are brought up JMHOWhere are theses hidden treasures then !!!! Nice to hear bit more about them I've heard of the odd one scattered about But not some one or group of people that have a consistency coming through Quote Link to post
donnyc 1,203 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 I know of some in the midlands a few lads who keep a line going in yorkshire some in norfolk thats just to my knowledge ..heard of a few lads down south to me got some decent digging ones .Ones I had were no good for hunt work but used on call outs to keepers etc ..Any one with a genuine interest in them would find some with not too many problems ..Got pissed off digging to corpses many many years ago so picked the places to drop them in Quote Link to post
pablo esc 1,598 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Seen one bitch and a dog work in the last century .and the didn't need to be doubled up and the didn't work to please no one , except hunting the ditches and the do that single handed too . the still men breeding out of good dogs and stock. Which is a good thing if the dogs prove themselves. Getting hard and good going to the genuine men who keep the workers going Quote Link to post
Fieldsporthunter 1,864 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Still a few working borders about. 2 Quote Link to post
pablo esc 1,598 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 But the percentage of getting a worker through different people has gone way past one in thirty and probally near bad as working bedlingtons and yes the big money side of things and pedigrees . even though ones i knew had peds Quote Link to post
Rabbit Hunter 6,613 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Seen one bitch and a dog work in the last century .Did you see any in the Century before that? 1 Quote Link to post
pablo esc 1,598 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Seen one bitch and a dog work in the last century .Did you see any in the Century before that?ha, yes I was dreaming then too !. 95 and 86 the year not my age , Quote Link to post
Mary 352 Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 Seen one bitch and a dog work in the last century .Did you see any in the Century before that?ha, yes I was dreaming then too !. 95 and 86 the year not my age ,Pablo, you still alive? Heavy rumours about that a battalion of terrier men have landed on the shores of Munster armed with spades and shovels, told the locals they only here to fight the Spanish. 3 Quote Link to post
dave mac 58 Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 had a dig to a border dog 3wks back, only 3ft, he worked ok, he had been to ground afew times befor but this time he got a result, not a world beater but he will do , his litter sister has not been dug but i have bolted 2 with her not a world beater but she will do, 1 Quote Link to post
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