Lions & Tigers & Bears Oh My...

[Guest Lord B]

Just read this bit.....

 

Cameron McNish, the Scottish mountaineer and author, is suspicious - not least over the fact that it will cost up to £27,000 a week for parties of 16 to view the wolves, pricing out 'ordinary' people. He believes other rich landowners will use the wolf scheme as a precedent to keep the 'ordinary' British public off their land - despite the right to roam being enshrined in Scottish law.

 

'It wouldn't be long before other landowners thought up similar schemes, many of which would be with the purpose of keeping the public out,' said Mr McNish. 'It would be like the start of the Victorian sporting estates all over again with the downside that such areas would be reserved for a few wild animals and the privileged few who were willing to pay for access.'

 

So its not about the animals then??? I'm an "english" (welsh actually) landowner, but £27k......$50US...... off

I'd love to have a look but not THAT much!

Edited December 15, 2007 by Lord B

[BlueCoyote 0]

you got me on that apple thing.. lol my husband and i are sitting here trying to guess WHY an apple would be an issue on a plane.. gonna throw it at someone? hide a razor in it maybe? i mean you can hardly contaminate englands population of apple trees with just one or can you? if the saying is true.. one bad apple shouldnt spoil the whole bunch, right? i probably would have done the same thing though lol good thing you only had one apple!!

BUT!! when you get your mountain lion kittens... just be sure to have a couple of apples in your luggage! they wont suspect a thing! lol just be sure to skip breakfast in case you run into the same guard

 

 

those antis must be suffering from the same sort of brain damage as that airline security guard..... we have similar types here that think its cruel to keep dogs as pets so they open gates to release them.... still i cant imagine just casually walking up to a pig pen and opening the gate and expecting them to just amble out and do their own thing. most penned up pigs i have met were very interested in the people and checking for any possible snacks!

i guess i need to better educate myself about the hunting laws in the UK. i know some things but still not clear on the pigs and squirrels... they're feral but they are still protected? why? i thought the grey squirrel was an accidental release in the UK?

though that has me thinking..... if the pigs arent concerning the city dwelling bunny-huggers then a small pack of wolves in the wilds of Scotland shouldnt be any problem at all! as long as they arent made into pets before releasing them! its all about keeping that healthy fear of people intact!

[BlueCoyote 0]

Just read this bit.....

 

Cameron McNish, the Scottish mountaineer and author, is suspicious - not least over the fact that it will cost up to £27,000 a week for parties of 16 to view the wolves, pricing out 'ordinary' people. He believes other rich landowners will use the wolf scheme as a precedent to keep the 'ordinary' British public off their land - despite the right to roam being enshrined in Scottish law.

 

'It wouldn't be long before other landowners thought up similar schemes, many of which would be with the purpose of keeping the public out,' said Mr McNish. 'It would be like the start of the Victorian sporting estates all over again with the downside that such areas would be reserved for a few wild animals and the privileged few who were willing to pay for access.'

 

So its not about the animals then??? I'm an "english" (welsh actually) landowner, but £27k......$50US...... off

I'd love to have a look but not THAT much!

 

only costs me $8 to view the wolves in the local wild life zoo.... honestly they're cute.. they act just like dogs, wagging their tails, bouncing around when the keepers come to feed them... they look like huskies in a big dog run... why pay $50 to look at someone's pet puppy?

 

if you have wolves released in the wild i doubt you'd ever see them again unless you spent a few hours out there... with some bait and a predator call... unless they turn them into big romping bushy tailed puppies... which brings me back to "why pay $50 to look at a dog??"

i'm sure the general public wouldnt fall for such a scam!

[Guest Lord B]

you got me on that apple thing.. lol my husband and i are sitting here trying to guess WHY an apple would be an issue on a plane.. gonna throw it at someone? hide a razor in it maybe? i mean you can hardly contaminate englands population of apple trees with just one or can you? if the saying is true.. one bad apple shouldnt spoil the whole bunch, right? i probably would have done the same thing though lol good thing you only had one apple!!

BUT!! when you get your mountain lion kittens... just be sure to have a couple of apples in your luggage! they wont suspect a thing! lol just be sure to skip breakfast in case you run into the same guard

 

 

those antis must be suffering from the same sort of brain damage as that airline security guard..... we have similar types here that think its cruel to keep dogs as pets so they open gates to release them.... still i cant imagine just casually walking up to a pig pen and opening the gate and expecting them to just amble out and do their own thing. most penned up pigs i have met were very interested in the people and checking for any possible snacks!

i guess i need to better educate myself about the hunting laws in the UK. i know some things but still not clear on the pigs and squirrels... they're feral but they are still protected? why? i thought the grey squirrel was an accidental release in the UK?

though that has me thinking..... if the pigs arent concerning the city dwelling bunny-huggers then a small pack of wolves in the wilds of Scotland shouldnt be any problem at all! as long as they arent made into pets before releasing them! its all about keeping that healthy fear of people intact!

 

Pigs......pink pigs, no problem, we farm them, we eat them. Boar (pigs) are not prevelant in the UK, most are far,es "organically" for meat but its small scale. There are some wild boar but only prob a few 100, few 1000 at most, very rare. But these are the ones the antis are releasing, saying they should "run free".......they are bloody dangerous!

Squirrels; red are indidgenous to the UK, a fair bit smaller than the grey and are now in dwindling numbers because of loss of habitat and threat from grays, only a few pockets of red left. The grey was introduced from "the americas" and has devistated the natural habitat of the red, in rural-folks eyes it is little more than a tree-rat, the government is trying to protect the red, but wont authorise a cull on the grey because Downing Street is full of bunny hugging yogurt kniters!

Most of the urbanised population wouldn't know the diferance between the two if they sat next to them.

There are initiatives in place to protect the red, but not enough, and nothing done about the grey, except stupid suggestions like chemical castration to stop them breading - KILL THE ERS!

 

The link bellow has a bit of info.

 

http://www.saveoursquirrels.org.uk/

 

http://www.britishwildboar.org.uk/

[BlueCoyote 0]

you got me on that apple thing.. lol my husband and i are sitting here trying to guess WHY an apple would be an issue on a plane.. gonna throw it at someone? hide a razor in it maybe? i mean you can hardly contaminate englands population of apple trees with just one or can you? if the saying is true.. one bad apple shouldnt spoil the whole bunch, right? i probably would have done the same thing though lol good thing you only had one apple!!

BUT!! when you get your mountain lion kittens... just be sure to have a couple of apples in your luggage! they wont suspect a thing! lol just be sure to skip breakfast in case you run into the same guard

 

 

those antis must be suffering from the same sort of brain damage as that airline security guard..... we have similar types here that think its cruel to keep dogs as pets so they open gates to release them.... still i cant imagine just casually walking up to a pig pen and opening the gate and expecting them to just amble out and do their own thing. most penned up pigs i have met were very interested in the people and checking for any possible snacks!

i guess i need to better educate myself about the hunting laws in the UK. i know some things but still not clear on the pigs and squirrels... they're feral but they are still protected? why? i thought the grey squirrel was an accidental release in the UK?

though that has me thinking..... if the pigs arent concerning the city dwelling bunny-huggers then a small pack of wolves in the wilds of Scotland shouldnt be any problem at all! as long as they arent made into pets before releasing them! its all about keeping that healthy fear of people intact!

 

Pigs......pink pigs, no problem, we farm them, we eat them. Boar (pigs) are not prevelant in the UK, most are far,es "organically" for meat but its small scale. There are some wild boar but only prob a few 100, few 1000 at most, very rare. But these are the ones the antis are releasing, saying they should "run free".......they are bloody dangerous!

Squirrels; red are indidgenous to the UK, a fair bit smaller than the grey and are now in dwindling numbers because of loss of habitat and threat from grays, only a few pockets of red left. The grey was introduced from "the americas" and has devistated the natural habitat of the red, in rural-folks eyes it is little more than a tree-rat, the government is trying to protect the red, but wont authorise a cull on the grey because Downing Street is full of bunny hugging yogurt kniters!

Most of the urbanised population wouldn't know the diferance between the two if they sat next to them.

There are initiatives in place to protect the red, but not enough, and nothing done about the grey, except stupid suggestions like chemical castration to stop them breading - KILL THE ERS!

 

The link bellow has a bit of info.

 

http://www.saveoursquirrels.org.uk/

 

http://www.britishwildboar.org.uk/

 

 

that might be why they dont want to allow hunting of squirrels then, if people cant tell the difference between the two... but looking at them now you'd have to be blind as a bat to NOT tell them apart!! i was thinking they looked like the Abert's Squirrel... which has the ear tassels but is grey.. they both look like don king to me!!

maybe that Lister guy should start a rehab program for the red squirrel and skip the bears and wolves for now lol

[Guest Lord B]

Just read this bit.....

 

Cameron McNish, the Scottish mountaineer and author, is suspicious - not least over the fact that it will cost up to £27,000 a week for parties of 16 to view the wolves, pricing out 'ordinary' people. He believes other rich landowners will use the wolf scheme as a precedent to keep the 'ordinary' British public off their land - despite the right to roam being enshrined in Scottish law.

 

'It wouldn't be long before other landowners thought up similar schemes, many of which would be with the purpose of keeping the public out,' said Mr McNish. 'It would be like the start of the Victorian sporting estates all over again with the downside that such areas would be reserved for a few wild animals and the privileged few who were willing to pay for access.'

 

So its not about the animals then??? I'm an "english" (welsh actually) landowner, but £27k......$50US...... off

I'd love to have a look but not THAT much!

 

only costs me $8 to view the wolves in the local wild life zoo.... honestly they're cute.. they act just like dogs, wagging their tails, bouncing around when the keepers come to feed them... they look like huskies in a big dog run... why pay $50 to look at someone's pet puppy?

 

if you have wolves released in the wild i doubt you'd ever see them again unless you spent a few hours out there... with some bait and a predator call... unless they turn them into big romping bushy tailed puppies... which brings me back to "why pay $50 to look at a dog??"

i'm sure the general public wouldnt fall for such a scam!

Sorry, that was meant to be $50k US!!! Not $50. For a weeks trip to see them. Like you say, no thanks!

[Guest Lord B]

The irony is, with the amount of gun owners in the UK, if we all went out and shot 1 a day for a year we'd slowly catch up with the critters!

I tell you, you'd laugh if you guys came over hereand got an understanding of how this country is working!!! We have to laugh, or we'd cry!!

Cant do this, cant do that cant do the other, crazy!! Thank you Tony Blair..........and this new one is even worse!

[BlueCoyote 0]

now i dont feel so bad about my cat chasing dogs up light poles

 

and its bound to get better.... but not before it gets worse!! lets hope they bring on the bears soon for the sake of everyone with a level head! seems like the nut cases are as prolific as the grey squirrels

[higgins 75]

Lord B it sounds like the owner of Alladale Estate is on to a money making making scheme either way

depending on his final intentions,which he will no doubt keep to himself,it's obviously disguised as an eco

repopulation/natural predator control experiment,smacks of someone playing god with financial

undertones etc;What would be interesting though is if he succeeds in introducing all these species

here(highly unlikeley)is the interest from poachers not ramblers,in this country there are people

who would take the chance of bagging a few wolves/bears/elk whatever as it would give them a reputation and it wouldn't be long before the 'amateur' poachers invade the place to emulate their

modern heroes,not to mention a few hunters would like to boast of their 'extended' quarry list

their dogs have hunted!Good hunting and merry xmas,

Higgins.

[owdnorthener 13]

 

 

the other thing i wonder about, since you mentioned feral cats.. isnt there a Scottish Wild Cat or something? looks like a fluffy striped house cat, right? i wonder how they would feel about having a lynx and a wolf living next door lol

 

 

Yep, you are correct, there are few Scottish wildcats left and they are, I believe, an endangered species.

I think we should look after our existing native species and then re-introduce the animals we have lost only if there are still places suitable for them.

[nelson 0]

hes an idiot. lets get real here, thers no way local people , gamkeepers and farmers are going to stand by and watch there livstock get eaten

 

of course the wolves are going to eat the elk and red deer NOT. No there going to get fat on easy prey " mutton" and beef . there is know way this will work in our small over crowded island. even though some parts of scotland are remote, there not that romote , and there are always crofters and small villages not that far a way.

 

a wolf is quite capable of travling 30 mile in a night. now i dowt weather there is a spot in the uk that farther than 30 mile from a vilage or some kind of habbitation.

 

it may work on a deserted island if there was one big enough.

 

Totally agree here, the country is bursting at the seams already and some fook witt wants to bring in even more potential VERMIN species in :headshot::

 

FFS we can't control Squirrels in this country and feckin Badger's can do as they like and some clown wants to let a load of Beaver's go as well, defies logic to me, the bloke is a joker

[Guest Lord B]

i will readily admit that i may be easily amused. but this made me laugh out loud the first time i saw it..

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=i8qVM6f9Ogs

 

 

Its started.........

 

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/a...amp;attr=797084

[BlueCoyote 0]

bet you wont be driving with the sun roof open while touring the Scottish country side will ya?

 

though that would probably be the easiest catch in the world

[Guest Lord B]

bet you wont be driving with the sun roof open while touring the Scottish country side will ya?

 

though that would probably be the easiest catch in the world

 

I'd end up getting arrested for discharging a firearm in a public place!!!! Another stupid law, in their eyes my car is a public place.......can't even keep a knife in it! So, I can't shoot it in the car, or stab it....I'll have to sing it to death!

[BlueCoyote 0]

a cars is a public place??? i'm never going to the UK for sure now....

 

you're allowed to have a gun in your car here but it has to take three steps for it to be legal. cant have it loaded and sitting in your lap ready to go.. has to be in the glove compartment, unloaded, and.. i forget the last step. your word against the other guy's though!!