Straight Bananas!

[lurcherman 887 13,285]

Lol

[pesky1972 5,392]

  On 07/02/2017 at 19:27, sandymere said:

It is undeniable that there was a definitive correlation to educational status and voting, those with GCSEs as highest educational achievement more likely to vote leave whilst those with degrees more above likely to vote to stay. But I dont think its about whether people are thick or not but rather that is more a fault of our education systems than the individuals voting and this Banana myth is a case in point

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A university education teaches better critical thought leading to people realising the euro myths and fake news in general are not real. Alas it would seem standard schooling does not seem to equip people with good critical thinking skills and the ability to consider a little prior plausibility when seeing these sort of stories. This means that people with a vested interest can either created or blow out of proportion stories to achieve a political end and alas fake news/alternative facts are increasingly endemic.

 

The EU graded bananas for sale, most products have such a system so perfect ones are, say, grade A, its a quality grading to allow buyers to know what they are getting, ie supermarkets go for higher grades to sell direct to the public whereas factories producing say a Banana cake can buy misshapen, slightly bruised etc ones at a cheaper price which is just common sense. This then gets blown into a story and people dont think to question it, just a shame really.

 

Perhaps we should all develop a more skeptical attitude and learn to look for the truth rather than just validation of our beliefs as these two would seem to be mutually exclusive. the reality is that some people look for evidence much as a drunk uses a lampost; for support rather than illumination.

 

THL in a nutshell ??

[kanny 21,063]

  On 07/02/2017 at 19:27, sandymere said:

It is undeniable that there was a definitive correlation to educational status and voting, those with GCSEs as highest educational achievement more likely to vote leave whilst those with degrees more above likely to vote to stay. But I dont think its about whether people are thick or not but rather that is more a fault of our education systems than the individuals voting and this Banana myth is a case in point

.

A university education teaches better critical thought leading to people realising the euro myths and fake news in general are not real. Alas it would seem standard schooling does not seem to equip people with good critical thinking skills and the ability to consider a little prior plausibility when seeing these sort of stories. This means that people with a vested interest can either created or blow out of proportion stories to achieve a political end and alas fake news/alternative facts are increasingly endemic.

 

The EU graded bananas for sale, most products have such a system so perfect ones are, say, grade A, its a quality grading to allow buyers to know what they are getting, ie supermarkets go for higher grades to sell direct to the public whereas factories producing say a Banana cake can buy misshapen, slightly bruised etc ones at a cheaper price which is just common sense. This then gets blown into a story and people dont think to question it, just a shame really.

 

Perhaps we should all develop a more skeptical attitude and learn to look for the truth rather than just validation of our beliefs as these two would seem to be mutually exclusive. the reality is that some people look for evidence much as a drunk uses a lampost; for support rather than illumination.

 

I would say the definitive correlation to education and voting are just symptomatic ...if your well educated your probably living the middle-class life in the leafy suburbs or country and probably involved with business that profits from the eu ,immigration doesnt really affect you as your area out prices most immigrants ...on the flip side if you didn't have a great education your most likely living on a council estate that's having the world's dross tipped out on its doorstep and not only that there taking your jobs also .in summary I think you will find most who voted to stay in are just self serving cnuts who don't care about the effect there decision have on other less unfortunate people as long as there alright Jack! ...in contrast those who voted out are sick of being shit on by those who consider themselves above them and sick of having to deal with the symptoms of the upper classes decisions... make no mistake people voted out because of the immigration thats ruining there life's and livelihoods... education has nothing to do with it. Edited February 7, 2017 by kanny

[neil cooney 10,416]

It's a funny ol' world when you can get a straight banana but can't get a similar TV presenter.

[Tiercel 6,986]

I do find Sandymere's post amusing, It is basically saying if you do not have a university education you should not be able to vote, because we do not know the consequences of our actions. The DIL has a university education, and is not shy in telling people. It really does annoy her when a person who left school without even a GCSE consistently out performs her in IQ tests.

 

I am one of the great unwashed, who should not know what the consequences of voting out would mean. It was honestly not about immigration to me, it was more about taking back control of our own country. Where if I did not like what a candidate stood for then I would not vote for them, and that vote would count.

 

The mindless bureaucracy that comes out of Brussels defies belief at some stages. How many small and even middle size businesses have been, and continue to be put out of business because of those unelected bureaucrats with their made up laws just to justify their own unelected positions?

 

To say that a university education will enable you to forecast the future is fanciful to say the least.

 

Just the ramblings of one of the great unwashed.

 

TC

[kanny 21,063]

  On 07/02/2017 at 21:19, Tiercel said:

I do find Sandymere's post amusing, It is basically saying if you do not have a university education you should not be able to vote, because we do not know the consequences of our actions. The DIL has a university education, and is not shy in telling people. It really does annoy her when a person who left school without even a GCSE consistently out performs her in IQ tests.

 

I am one of the great unwashed, who should not know what the consequences of voting out would mean. It was honestly not about immigration to me, it was more about taking back control of our own country. Where if I did not like what a candidate stood for then I would not vote for them, and that vote would count.

 

The mindless bureaucracy that comes out of Brussels defies belief at some stages. How many small and even middle size businesses have been, and continue to be put out of business because of those unelected bureaucrats with their made up laws just to justify their own unelected positions?

 

To say that a university education will enable you to forecast the future is fanciful to say the least.

 

Just the ramblings of one of the great unwashed.

 

TC

Fair enough TC of course those other things are important and very valid reasons for voting out ... Here in the Midlands we have seen the town's traditional workplaces go from bread and butter employers of town people to now employing in some case's 90% immigrants almost over night and add to that zero hour contracts and the town's are fukt .it's made it very difficult for the less fortunate indigenous people to progress with things like mortgages so it gives the immigrants the upper hand as most are not here to settle ...I can definitely say that for most who voted out in the Midlands immigration was top of there reasons for doing so Edited February 7, 2017 by kanny

[WILF 48,135]

  On 07/02/2017 at 20:17, pesky1972 said:

 

  On 07/02/2017 at 19:27, sandymere said:

It is undeniable that there was a definitive correlation to educational status and voting, those with GCSEs as highest educational achievement more likely to vote leave whilst those with degrees more above likely to vote to stay. But I dont think its about whether people are thick or not but rather that is more a fault of our education systems than the individuals voting and this Banana myth is a case in point

.

A university education teaches better critical thought leading to people realising the euro myths and fake news in general are not real. Alas it would seem standard schooling does not seem to equip people with good critical thinking skills and the ability to consider a little prior plausibility when seeing these sort of stories. This means that people with a vested interest can either created or blow out of proportion stories to achieve a political end and alas fake news/alternative facts are increasingly endemic.

 

The EU graded bananas for sale, most products have such a system so perfect ones are, say, grade A, its a quality grading to allow buyers to know what they are getting, ie supermarkets go for higher grades to sell direct to the public whereas factories producing say a Banana cake can buy misshapen, slightly bruised etc ones at a cheaper price which is just common sense. This then gets blown into a story and people dont think to question it, just a shame really.

 

Perhaps we should all develop a more skeptical attitude and learn to look for the truth rather than just validation of our beliefs as these two would seem to be mutually exclusive. the reality is that some people look for evidence much as a drunk uses a lampost; for support rather than illumination.

 

THL in a nutshell

All I will say to you two clever chaps is......in my book, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.......its a f***ing duck !

No qualifications required

[Lenmcharristar 9,963]

  On 07/02/2017 at 20:59, neil cooney said:

It's a funny ol' world when you can get a straight banana but can't get a similar TV presenter.

same goes for radio stations, they need to cut out the animal right, gay right, pro vegan bullsh1t and just play the music

[walshie 2,804]

  On 07/02/2017 at 21:19, Tiercel said:

I do find Sandymere's post amusing, It is basically saying if you do not have a university education you should not be able to vote, because we do not know the consequences of our actions. The DIL has a university education, and is not shy in telling people. It really does annoy her when a person who left school without even a GCSE consistently out performs her in IQ tests.

 

I am one of the great unwashed, who should not know what the consequences of voting out would mean. It was honestly not about immigration to me, it was more about taking back control of our own country. Where if I did not like what a candidate stood for then I would not vote for them, and that vote would count.

 

The mindless bureaucracy that comes out of Brussels defies belief at some stages. How many small and even middle size businesses have been, and continue to be put out of business because of those unelected bureaucrats with their made up laws just to justify their own unelected positions?

 

To say that a university education will enable you to forecast the future is fanciful to say the least.

 

Just the ramblings of one of the great unwashed.

 

TC

 

Amusing or patronising?

 

Statistics mean nothing as they can be and are twisted to suit the agenda of the statistician.

 

Statistically more blonde people (for example) might have voted leave. Does that mean blonde people are thicker than non-blondes? Does it mean blondes are racists? No.

 

I think saying people who voted leave are basically thick is scraping the the barrel even by the standards set by the whining cry-baby remainers. We might be thick but we won. Live with it, losers.

[Tiercel 6,986]

  On 07/02/2017 at 21:46, kanny said:

 

  On 07/02/2017 at 21:19, Tiercel said:

I do find Sandymere's post amusing, It is basically saying if you do not have a university education you should not be able to vote, because we do not know the consequences of our actions. The DIL has a university education, and is not shy in telling people. It really does annoy her when a person who left school without even a GCSE consistently out performs her in IQ tests.

 

I am one of the great unwashed, who should not know what the consequences of voting out would mean. It was honestly not about immigration to me, it was more about taking back control of our own country. Where if I did not like what a candidate stood for then I would not vote for them, and that vote would count.

 

The mindless bureaucracy that comes out of Brussels defies belief at some stages. How many small and even middle size businesses have been, and continue to be put out of business because of those unelected bureaucrats with their made up laws just to justify their own unelected positions?

 

To say that a university education will enable you to forecast the future is fanciful to say the least.

 

Just the ramblings of one of the great unwashed.

 

TC

Fair enough TC of course those other things are important and very valid reasons for voting out ... Here in the Midlands we have seen the town's traditional workplaces go from bread and butter employers of town people to now employing in some case's 90% immigrants almost over night and add to that zero hour contracts and the town's are fukt .it's made it very difficult for the less fortunate indigenous people to progress with things like mortgages so it gives the immigrants the upper hand as most are not here to settle ...I can definitely say that for most who voted out in the Midlands immigration was top of there reasons for doing so

 

Same with yourself, there was no definitive reason for leaving the EU each and every person who voted to leave had their own reasons, of course reasons were bound to overlap and some be pertinent to certain areas. In my area immigration is not a big issue, thankfully. But I can see it being an issue in areas that are affected by it. I could not speak for those areas, only for how I felt it affected me, and what I could do to effect a solution.

 

TC

[Tiercel 6,986]

As a Bye I am sitting here thinking about all the negative rhetoric that was spouted by the university educated remain campaigners. I have a little smile on my face (of course that could be just the single malt) thinking how to a person they got it all wrong. Not that they believed a word of what they spouted, they just expected we the great uneducated to believe them, and do as we were told. As my mother used to say "Shock they had then," said in your best Welsh accent.

 

TC

[Nik_B 3,790]

  On 07/02/2017 at 21:19, Tiercel said:

I do find Sandymere's post amusing, It is basically saying if you do not have a university education you should not be able to vote, because we do not know the consequences of our actions. The DIL has a university education, and is not shy in telling people. It really does annoy her when a person who left school without even a GCSE consistently out performs her in IQ tests.

 

I am one of the great unwashed, who should not know what the consequences of voting out would mean. It was honestly not about immigration to me, it was more about taking back control of our own country. Where if I did not like what a candidate stood for then I would not vote for them, and that vote would count.

 

The mindless bureaucracy that comes out of Brussels defies belief at some stages. How many small and even middle size businesses have been, and continue to be put out of business because of those unelected bureaucrats with their made up laws just to justify their own unelected positions?

 

To say that a university education will enable you to forecast the future is fanciful to say the least.

 

Just the ramblings of one of the great unwashed.

 

TC

 

I have a university education and totally disagree with him.

 

I studied Geology and also did a Masters Degree in Mining Geology. When I was at uni we (lecturers included) all laughed at the 'global warming' science because it was and still is ludicrous. We studied data over millions of years and when we saw these charlatans using 120 years of temperatures and then extrapolating to make it look like temperatures were increasing dangerously it was a massive joke to us all.

 

Skip forward 20 years and....

 

I've been a PC gamer my entire life, especially into WW2 flight simulators. This young posh guy educated in some private school wanted to fly with us and I got chatting with him. He told me he wanted to study geology at Manchester (where I went) so obviously I was interested and offered advice etc. It didn't take long to realise he was totally brainwashed with climate science and he hadn't even got to Uni yet!! When I was studying we were taught to look at all possibilities and analyse them using data NOT feelings or assumptions. during our conversation Ihe insulted me and said I didn't understand because I was old lol, after all he'd listened to a lecture of one of the 'top climate scientists' in the country....f***ing spastic

 

I have very little faith in the 'educated' products of our universities today especially wouldn't trust them on modern politics! They're all brainwashed lefties.

[Lenmcharristar 9,963]

  On 07/02/2017 at 22:45, F@ Larry said:

there lookn banana benders in belfast docks £9 an hour an all the overtime you want

used to be rife down there

[kanny 21,063]

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[Nik_B 3,790]

  On 08/02/2017 at 17:55, kanny said:

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I wonder what she feels about immigration......that would be very telling