baw 4,360 Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 Baw JD says he,s seen dogs WITH THE SPEED of 3/4 breds that can stay all day . and he obviously wouldn,t be childish enough to ban anyone for simply having an opinion . Thanks stanleigh, I hope not but we shall see mate baw .. they obviously dont know about old shep and he'll be coming out of retirement if they want a match.... i've kept his teeth in a jar for such occassions Quote Link to post
J Darcy 5,871 Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 If you read what i wrote...I was replying to your words... " A dog that can run as fast as a 3/4 collie cross but stays like a first cross saluki would be worth a fortune." In-so-much as there are plenty of dogs capable of this..... I was not refering to you not having seen a collie cross run. Sorry JD, it's the way you write, you don't explain yourself properly. Tell me please, you claim to be a fountain of knowledge in the coursing world, what top match dogs have you seen run first hand if you don't mind me asking? I am certainly not a fountain of knowledge in the coursing world. I have never said i was, so please don't put words in my mouth. I have, however, seen a few dogs run over the years. Just for the record, i have never owned a good coursing dog either, so, I do not make any claim to be anything other than a enthusiast of the saluki hybrid. I'm sorry but i have no photos on my computer, so i cannot dig out very many coursing ones from the several thousand images i have of scores of dogs coursing. However, i did once see a good bitch run one day. I wouldn't want to think i was matching against her, but i would have the mortgage on her. Top class It was, of course, pre-ban, but the bitch managed to get 4/4 if i remember correctly, the last of the day just prooved she was top class. The plough was being walked and with about 100 yards of it left to go before the winter wheat gave some slight relief to each 3 stone boot, weighed down with mud. Her Majesty jumped a mere twenty yards into the plough and the bitches owner slipped. Well, it seemed like a fools errand, the bitch had 100 yards of plough to travel and the hare a mere twenty yards. Surely this classy canine wouldn't get anywhere near. I was stood with the farmer and we both said "No Chance!" But that bitch floated across the plough, somehow kept her pilot sighted and then ate the ground up. By the time the hare had reached the end of the winter wheat field the bitch was about 15 yards behind. Then over onto kale,real wet, heavy going, the sort that tests a running dog, but suddenly the bitch was nailed to the hares scut like a shadow,spinning the hare into ever decreasing circles. From that there was no escape. Whiz, whiz, bang! The fat lady sang.... Some bitch. Modest owner too. I have seen a couple of dogs run that i would call top class, and that aforementioned bitch is one of them. Problem was, I never saw how good her stamina was in those four hares that day because no hares lasted long enough to test her stamina.... This bitch is about 50 times better than anything I have ever owned...Now aint that the truth..... Happy Rabbiting and Ratting....JD Quote Link to post
baw 4,360 Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 (edited) If you read what i wrote...I was replying to your words... " A dog that can run as fast as a 3/4 collie cross but stays like a first cross saluki would be worth a fortune." In-so-much as there are plenty of dogs capable of this..... I was not refering to you not having seen a collie cross run. Sorry JD, it's the way you write, you don't explain yourself properly. Tell me please, you claim to be a fountain of knowledge in the coursing world, what top match dogs have you seen run first hand if you don't mind me asking? I am certainly not a fountain of knowledge in the coursing world. I have never said i was, so please don't put words in my mouth. I have, however, seen a few dogs run over the years. Just for the record, i have never owned a good coursing dog either, so, I do not make any claim to be anything other than a enthusiast of the saluki hybrid. I'm sorry but i have no photos on my computer, so i cannot dig out very many coursing ones from the several thousand images i have of scores of dogs coursing. However, i did once see a good bitch run one day. I wouldn't want to think i was matching against her, but i would have the mortgage on her. Top class It was, of course, pre-ban, but the bitch managed to get 4/4 if i remember correctly, the last of the day just prooved she was top class. The plough was being walked and with about 100 yards of it left to go before the winter wheat gave some slight relief to each 3 stone boot, weighed down with mud. Her Majesty jumped a mere twenty yards into the plough and the bitches owner slipped. Well, it seemed like a fools errand, the bitch had 100 yards of plough to travel and the hare a mere twenty yards. Surely this classy canine wouldn't get anywhere near. I was stood with the farmer and we both said "No Chance!" But that bitch floated across the plough, somehow kept her pilot sighted and then ate the ground up. By the time the hare had reached the end of the winter wheat field the bitch was about 15 yards behind. Then over onto kale,real wet, heavy going, the sort that tests a running dog, but suddenly the bitch was nailed to the hares scut like a shadow,spinning the hare into ever decreasing circles. From that there was no escape. Whiz, whiz, bang! The fat lady sang.... Some bitch. Modest owner too. I have seen a couple of dogs run that i would call top class, and that aforementioned bitch is one of them. Problem was, I never saw how good her stamina was in those four hares that day because no hares lasted long enough to test her stamina.... This bitch is about 50 times better than anything I have ever owned...Now aint that the truth..... Happy Rabbiting and Ratting....JD Good read JD and respect. Sorry for the jibe regarding you being a fountain of knowledge but you were the one who presumed I'm a keyboard hunter which is fair enough, it's your perogative. Maybe you have been on here too long and put everyone you dislike in the same category, who knows. Or maybe it's my slating of your dear coursing friends that wrangles you. It would be a very poor site indeed if all we could do was read situations without being able to add to them. I've never pretended I've run the fens. Does this mean I can't question threads involving subjects which I haven't experienced but are close to experiences I have? I know most on here don't like me......edited to read....... but I am going to endeavour to change my ways and refrain from slagging people. Edited February 27, 2011 by baw Quote Link to post
inan 841 Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Ok guys, sorry for interferring in your thread, wont happen again If it's any consilation,(i know you couldn't give a f**k) I genuinely respect the guys who ran dogs in the Forley Cup. I was on a forum called the poachers rest and left respecting one of the founders on there, I'm sure you know who I'm talking about. I went on the Poachers Rest made two comments ,neither of them rude ,or slating anyone ,got banned immediately ,it appears to be a forum just for feeding one man's ego. 1 Quote Link to post
optimus 447 Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 If you read what i wrote...I was replying to your words... " A dog that can run as fast as a 3/4 collie cross but stays like a first cross saluki would be worth a fortune." In-so-much as there are plenty of dogs capable of this..... I was not refering to you not having seen a collie cross run. IT IS NOT JUST THE QUESTION OF SPEED, IT`S THE QUESTION OF HOW THE DOG USES IT`S SPEED. RUNNING ALL OUT ON A HARE & PUSHING IT ON TO GO IN FOR THE STRIKE WILL NOT WORK WHEN THE HARES GO UP A GEAR. CONSTANTLY PUSHING & STRIKING AT A STRONG HARE THAT HAS EXPERIENCE OF BEING RAN, ALLOWS THE HARE TO ANTICIPATE & EVADE THE DOG`S TACTIC OF SPEED THEN STRIKE. MORE ENERGY & EFFORT USED EQUATES A SHORTER COURSE & A DECENT HARE ESCAPING. DOG`S OF NOTE LEARN TO WORK THE HARE WHEN THEY ARE BEHIND IT NOT PUSH IT ON, WORKING THE HARE WHILST NEVER LOSING MUCH GROUND & THEN GO UP A GEAR WHEN THE HARE HAS MADE A MISTAKE OR THE DOG SEE`S IT`S CHANCE. DOG`S WHICH ARE "PLODDERS" AS WE HAVE SEEN SOME TERM THEM, ALSO REQUIRE THE ABILITY TO GO UP A GEAR & END THE COURSE. SIMPLY PUT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO "run every hare to death". RUNNING CONDITIONS ALSO PLAY A MAJOR PART. CAN YOUR DOG RUN PLOUGH? IS IT BETTER ON SEED? DOES IT HAVE THE STRENGTH TO RUN THE HEAVY GOING?? GOD IT WOULD BE A BORING WORLD IF THERE WAS A SIMPLE FORMULA TO PRODUCE.THE PERFECT LURCHER Quote Link to post
inan 841 Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 If you read what i wrote...I was replying to your words... " A dog that can run as fast as a 3/4 collie cross but stays like a first cross saluki would be worth a fortune." In-so-much as there are plenty of dogs capable of this..... I was not refering to you not having seen a collie cross run. IT IS NOT JUST THE QUESTION OF SPEED, IT`S THE QUESTION OF HOW THE DOG USES IT`S SPEED. RUNNING ALL OUT ON A HARE & PUSHING IT ON TO GO IN FOR THE STRIKE WILL NOT WORK WHEN THE HARES GO UP A GEAR. CONSTANTLY PUSHING & STRIKING AT A STRONG HARE THAT HAS EXPERIENCE OF BEING RAN, ALLOWS THE HARE TO ANTICIPATE & EVADE THE DOG`S TACTIC OF SPEED THEN STRIKE. MORE ENERGY & EFFORT USED EQUATES A SHORTER COURSE & A DECENT HARE ESCAPING. DOG`S OF NOTE LEARN TO WORK THE HARE WHEN THEY ARE BEHIND IT NOT PUSH IT ON, WORKING THE HARE WHILST NEVER LOSING MUCH GROUND & THEN GO UP A GEAR WHEN THE HARE HAS MADE A MISTAKE OR THE DOG SEE`S IT`S CHANCE. DOG`S WHICH ARE "PLODDERS" AS WE HAVE SEEN SOME TERM THEM, ALSO REQUIRE THE ABILITY TO GO UP A GEAR & END THE COURSE. SIMPLY PUT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO "run every hare to death". RUNNING CONDITIONS ALSO PLAY A MAJOR PART. CAN YOUR DOG RUN PLOUGH? IS IT BETTER ON SEED? DOES IT HAVE THE STRENGTH TO RUN THE HEAVY GOING?? GOD IT WOULD BE A BORING WORLD IF THERE WAS A SIMPLE FORMULA TO PRODUCE.THE PERFECT LURCHER An insightful and sensible post. 1 Quote Link to post
martini 2 Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 i herd that thay run a forley legends with shot and retrived hares the other day? dont know how true that is? do you know who won?? no its not tru the farmer cock with the permission so we at to chore the hares along side the road Quote Link to post
optimus 447 Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 No Optimus, an old guy who let my sisters boyfriend graze horses on his land had just lost his old lab and I gave turk to him as a pet. She was never bred from again. BOLIO HERES 1 OF YOUR PUPS FROM SNIPER & TURK. I HAVENT FOUND THE REST YET Quote Link to post
optimus 447 Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 HERES 1 OF DANCER :whistling:YOU MAY KNOW THE PHOTOGRAPHER???? Quote Link to post
BOLIO1 1,078 Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 (edited) That was the Snipe pup, she turned out feathered. You don't have a pic of the cream smooth bitch called Soda by any chance? Yes some bugger with a Glasgow accent....what was his name again? Edited March 5, 2011 by BOLIO1 Quote Link to post
optimus 447 Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 NOT THE BEST PHOTO IM AFRAID D HERES SOME MORE.. Quote Link to post
optimus 447 Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 That was the Snipe pup, she turned out feathered. You don't have a pic of the cream smooth bitch called Soda by any chance? Yes some bugger with a Glasgow accent....what was his name again? PHOTOS I HAVE SO FAR OF SMOOTH BITCH ARE BLURRED. GIVE ME TIME MATE Quote Link to post
BOLIO1 1,078 Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 Is that white one Blondie Optimus? She used her tail like that as a rudder for balance, very distinctive style. Quote Link to post
optimus 447 Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 Is that white one Blondie Optimus? She used her tail like that as a rudder for balance, very distinctive style. IM PRETTY SURE IT IS D, BUT I DIDNT WANT TO SAY. SHOULD HAVE WROTE DETAILS ON BACK IN HINDSIGHT Quote Link to post
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