Donald Trump's 'muslim Ban' Live: Federal Judge Defies President And Temporarily Blocks Ban In Dramatic Court Hearing

[delswal 3,819]

Seems to me the Quran is just as ambiguous as the bible, I've yet to come across any group of people who have read both to have the same interpretation.

 

Hardly any wonder the world is fcuked when two people cannot read the same book without falling out

[AXUM 255]

 

 

 

 

Muslims shOuld just accept that the majority of non Muslims don't like them and don't want to be anywhere near them

America doesn't want you so don't go

Muslim been in america for long time. Over 30 percent of african slaves who were shipped to america were muslim. Muslims built america

Unlike christians , muslim dont enslave a free muslim.

Are you sure muslims don't enslave free muslims? Muslims certainly enslaved plenty of africans, did they only target non muslims? I find that hard to believe. But if they do only target non muslims, any non muslim who ever trusted a muslim is a fool.

Its illegal to enslave a free muslim. Im sure many arab muslims enslaved black muslim and sold them but its agsinst religion and they werent religious and under muslim ruler if found out they would be freed and slaver punished

So it was unfair to say unlike Christians muslims don't enslave free muslims, they most certainly did and I am sure still do. All I see is humans are greedy, cruel, manipulative opportunists with little sense of community, honour or loyalty. People say they have honour and loyalty and protect the weak and then are corrupted at the first opportunity. This has to change and will never change while islam has such a polarising effect on communities with an extreme 'us against them' doctrine called the koran,and then the majority of muslims do not even follow islam to the letter of islamic law anywhere I have ever seen. Islamic law will never, ever work and will only cause conflict, hatred and war. Like an aggressive cancer it needs to be eradicated completely or it takes over completely as history proves. Hopefully humans learn to treat each other with appreciation and respect but there is no way islam is the answer.

You are right , it is unfair to say only muslims do not enslave , it must be really rare to enslave another muslim, its not gonna happen , but it seemed lik it was easy cake for christians, im no historian so this could be febated but to be honest i think muslim would win this one in regards to britherhood and slavery, but i will look into it.

 

Just because im muslim doesnt mean i would betray or enslave another man regardless of what , my morals comes from my dna not from my religion , i font think its right to keep concupune or enslave another man , muslims modernised.

 

I see yoy always critical if islam in its ancient non practiced tradition, how come you never feel the same bout chrustianity, chrustianity laws from tanakh are no dufferent remember we have same lineage we both abrahamic. You westerners seem very hypocritical .

 

Let me asj you , what is the cheistian view on slavery.

[AXUM 255]

Getting bit late silversnake , you can reply tomorrow lol i was in sydney yesterday

Edited January 29, 2017 by AXUM

[AXUM 255]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Muslims shOuld just accept that the majority of non Muslims don't like them and don't want to be anywhere near them

America doesn't want you so don't go

Muslim been in america for long time. Over 30 percent of african slaves who were shipped to america were muslim. Muslims built america

Unlike christians , muslim dont enslave a free muslim.

Are you sure muslims don't enslave free muslims? Muslims certainly enslaved plenty of africans, did they only target non muslims? I find that hard to believe. But if they do only target non muslims, any non muslim who ever trusted a muslim is a fool.

Its illegal to enslave a free muslim. Im sure many arab muslims enslaved black muslim and sold them but its agsinst religion and they werent religious and under muslim ruler if found out they would be freed and slaver punished

I dont usually post on these inter faith discussions but lets say reading some of the Tripe on this post requires it. Axum dont ISIS ALQUAIDA .,TALIBAN, SALAFI etc all claim they are the true Muslims yet Enslave girls as sex slaves ? Most of the Black slaves from North Africa, were captured by Arab slave traders? Werent the Slaves and the Arab traders Muslim?May be Muslim in name only but Muslim non the less. Axum i wa born Shia but I am from a Syed family so what are Syeds ?Sunni Shia or Muslims I consider myself as a Muslim that practices Shia interpretation of Islam Fiqr based on the Qran and Shariat. You have practising Muslims and Friday Muslims some good some bad , just the same as from other Faiths and societies. when the Qran was first revealed to the Prophet Slavery as with things like Alcohol were permitted as it became apparent that Mankind abused these things they as with many otherthings were made Haram (illegal) but some Muslims as with much of Islam choose to ignore what doesnt suit them.or their Agenda

You point in this post is to say that slavery is actually illegal in islam but sunni salafi make it halal / allowed , and that what i posted in regards to slavery in islam is only a salafi view or sunni view but in shia its totally not allowed to enslave under any circumstances .

Atleast in sunni hadith we learn that if muslim invaded a non muslim country then all the men enemies can be captured as slaves and their women as concupine or sex slave, its halal in war places against non muslims. Thats a fact in sunni islam doubt shia any different, ofcourse these are extreme views and no muslim gov practices these ancient teachings lol would be war crime but what isis doing is against islam but isis are Khawaarij , isis shouldnt exist under islam if myslum rulers didnt declare war , muslims follow their myslim rulers, be it khamini or king fahad, but ever recognuzed muslim ruler consider isis khawaarij.

But undr some circumstances, fact is slavery is allowed in islam so is sex slave/concubine , its also in quran where it says wa ma malakat aymaanakum. So if its in quran where it clearly states your right to have sex with your concubine then its not a doubtful topic or debateble but firm ruling because its in quran and we always go back to quran for last decision. So def shia allow it too unless thy interpret different but therea no way round it.https://islamqa.info/en/13737

I tell people exactly what islam is , i dont sugar coat it or hide it. No taqiya here. Lol

I appreciate your honesty mate. Edited to add I did already know this information.

Its easier to be honest bout islam and tell them the traditional ruling are then explain that they arent practiced by muslim gov and that you also dont follow it as we moved on , to me its just wrong,

 

This is the way i show my religion, im not apologetic , it is what ut is. People wont be saying the religion of PIECE if everyone followed my method. Islam is not a religion of peace its a religion of submissio , peace com3s after you submit.

[Francie 6,368]

 

 

 

 

 

Muslims shOuld just accept that the majority of non Muslims don't like them and don't want to be anywhere near them

America doesn't want you so don't go

Muslim been in america for long time. Over 30 percent of african slaves who were shipped to america were muslim. Muslims built america

Unlike christians , muslim dont enslave a free muslim.

Are you sure muslims don't enslave free muslims? Muslims certainly enslaved plenty of africans, did they only target non muslims? I find that hard to believe. But if they do only target non muslims, any non muslim who ever trusted a muslim is a fool.

Its illegal to enslave a free muslim. Im sure many arab muslims enslaved black muslim and sold them but its agsinst religion and they werent religious and under muslim ruler if found out they would be freed and slaver punished

So it was unfair to say unlike Christians muslims don't enslave free muslims, they most certainly did and I am sure still do. All I see is humans are greedy, cruel, manipulative opportunists with little sense of community, honour or loyalty. People say they have honour and loyalty and protect the weak and then are corrupted at the first opportunity. This has to change and will never change while islam has such a polarising effect on communities with an extreme 'us against them' doctrine called the koran,and then the majority of muslims do not even follow islam to the letter of islamic law anywhere I have ever seen. Islamic law will never, ever work and will only cause conflict, hatred and war. Like an aggressive cancer it needs to be eradicated completely or it takes over completely as history proves. Hopefully humans learn to treat each other with appreciation and respect but there is no way islam is the answer.

You are right , it is unfair to say only muslims do not enslave , it must be really rare to enslave another muslim, its not gonna happen , but it seemed lik it was easy cake for christians, im no historian so this could be febated but to be honest i think muslim would win this one in regards to britherhood and slavery, but i will look into it.

 

Just because im muslim doesnt mean i would betray or enslave another man regardless of what , my morals comes from my dna not from my religion , i font think its right to keep concupune or enslave another man , muslims modernised.

 

I see yoy always critical if islam in its ancient non practiced tradition, how come you never feel the same bout chrustianity, chrustianity laws from tanakh are no dufferent remember we have same lineage we both abrahamic. You westerners seem very hypocritical .

 

Let me asj you , what is the cheistian view on slavery.

The tanankh is not the same as bible axum.

[AXUM 255]

Seems to me the Quran is just as ambiguous as the bible, I've yet to come across any group of people who have read both to have the same interpretation.

 

Hardly any wonder the world is fcuked when two people cannot read the same book without falling out

Each sect has its own interpretation. Some people shen they dont like a ruling they go to a different shiekh for diferent interpretation

[AXUM 255]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Muslims shOuld just accept that the majority of non Muslims don't like them and don't want to be anywhere near them

America doesn't want you so don't go

Muslim been in america for long time. Over 30 percent of african slaves who were shipped to america were muslim. Muslims built america

Unlike christians , muslim dont enslave a free muslim.

Are you sure muslims don't enslave free muslims? Muslims certainly enslaved plenty of africans, did they only target non muslims? I find that hard to believe. But if they do only target non muslims, any non muslim who ever trusted a muslim is a fool.

Its illegal to enslave a free muslim. Im sure many arab muslims enslaved black muslim and sold them but its agsinst religion and they werent religious and under muslim ruler if found out they would be freed and slaver punished

So it was unfair to say unlike Christians muslims don't enslave free muslims, they most certainly did and I am sure still do. All I see is humans are greedy, cruel, manipulative opportunists with little sense of community, honour or loyalty. People say they have honour and loyalty and protect the weak and then are corrupted at the first opportunity. This has to change and will never change while islam has such a polarising effect on communities with an extreme 'us against them' doctrine called the koran,and then the majority of muslims do not even follow islam to the letter of islamic law anywhere I have ever seen. Islamic law will never, ever work and will only cause conflict, hatred and war. Like an aggressive cancer it needs to be eradicated completely or it takes over completely as history proves. Hopefully humans learn to treat each other with appreciation and respect but there is no way islam is the answer.

You are right , it is unfair to say only muslims do not enslave , it must be really rare to enslave another muslim, its not gonna happen , but it seemed lik it was easy cake for christians, im no historian so this could be febated but to be honest i think muslim would win this one in regards to britherhood and slavery, but i will look into it.

Just because im muslim doesnt mean i would betray or enslave another man regardless of what , my morals comes from my dna not from my religion , i font think its right to keep concupune or enslave another man , muslims modernised.

I see yoy always critical if islam in its ancient non practiced tradition, how come you never feel the same bout chrustianity, chrustianity laws from tanakh are no dufferent remember we have same lineage we both abrahamic. You westerners seem very hypocritical .

Let me asj you , what is the cheistian view on slavery.

The tanankh is not the same as bible axum.

Ok. . Guess i gotta read up again to fully understand. Its confusing

[Silversnake 1,099]

Getting bit late silversnake , you can reply tomorrow lol i was in sydney yesterday

Too late for me axum, I will reply tomorrow. Atb.

[Francie 6,368]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Muslims shOuld just accept that the majority of non Muslims don't like them and don't want to be anywhere near them

America doesn't want you so don't go

Muslim been in america for long time. Over 30 percent of african slaves who were shipped to america were muslim. Muslims built america

Unlike christians , muslim dont enslave a free muslim.

Are you sure muslims don't enslave free muslims? Muslims certainly enslaved plenty of africans, did they only target non muslims? I find that hard to believe. But if they do only target non muslims, any non muslim who ever trusted a muslim is a fool.

Its illegal to enslave a free muslim. Im sure many arab muslims enslaved black muslim and sold them but its agsinst religion and they werent religious and under muslim ruler if found out they would be freed and slaver punished

So it was unfair to say unlike Christians muslims don't enslave free muslims, they most certainly did and I am sure still do. All I see is humans are greedy, cruel, manipulative opportunists with little sense of community, honour or loyalty. People say they have honour and loyalty and protect the weak and then are corrupted at the first opportunity. This has to change and will never change while islam has such a polarising effect on communities with an extreme 'us against them' doctrine called the koran,and then the majority of muslims do not even follow islam to the letter of islamic law anywhere I have ever seen. Islamic law will never, ever work and will only cause conflict, hatred and war. Like an aggressive cancer it needs to be eradicated completely or it takes over completely as history proves. Hopefully humans learn to treat each other with appreciation and respect but there is no way islam is the answer.

You are right , it is unfair to say only muslims do not enslave , it must be really rare to enslave another muslim, its not gonna happen , but it seemed lik it was easy cake for christians, im no historian so this could be febated but to be honest i think muslim would win this one in regards to britherhood and slavery, but i will look into it.

Just because im muslim doesnt mean i would betray or enslave another man regardless of what , my morals comes from my dna not from my religion , i font think its right to keep concupune or enslave another man , muslims modernised.

I see yoy always critical if islam in its ancient non practiced tradition, how come you never feel the same bout chrustianity, chrustianity laws from tanakh are no dufferent remember we have same lineage we both abrahamic. You westerners seem very hypocritical .

Let me asj you , what is the cheistian view on slavery.

The tanankh is not the same as bible axum.

Ok. . Guess i gotta read up again to fully understand. Its confusing

Slaves in the bible were treated well, they were normally let go after seven years, they were safe an not to be harmed, as God commanded.

[walshie 2,804]

Axum. This topic isn't about people's interpretation of religious books. It's about how YOU can't go to America. lol.

[peterhunter86 8,627]

 

 

 

 

 

 

The beauty of it is he doesn't give a damn what the reaction is. That's why so many millions voted for him.

 

On a lighter note, I just filled in an ESTA to go to the U.S next month and it was approved.

I wonder if desertbred is dual citizen of iran and britain or just british

I don't know. That's his business. Not sure why you keep mentioning him. He doesn't mention you.

He does. Me and DB have had many long chats about Axum

Felt shy to like your post lol thanks for backing me up lol

* ooww how sweet* lol

Of course he doesn't have chats with DB about you. He's taking the piss. Stop flattering yourself.

 

I might not always see eye to eye with DB, but he's consistent in what he says. He doesn't keep changing his tune to score points. Unlike you.

I would never change my view to please you or others, im one of those who always goes against the trend or popular views and hatez followiing crowd , if its a trend to buy new iphones i would go against it and use 90s era phones . I like the under dog , i defend the bullied , i stand next to the black sheep for solidarity , and speak up for the silenced/weak, i see myself as a man of honor and loyalty .

 

 

You do know its now a trend to air your view on social mediea are you going to go against that and fcukoff lol.

[delswal 3,819]

Axum. This topic isn't about people's interpretation of religious books. It's about how YOU can't go to America. lol.

Gotta disagree Mr Walsh, If he read the right book and followed it he would not have a problem. ( the right book depending where you want to travel and who's in power )

[AXUM 255]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Muslims shOuld just accept that the majority of non Muslims don't like them and don't want to be anywhere near them

America doesn't want you so don't go

Muslim been in america for long time. Over 30 percent of african slaves who were shipped to america were muslim. Muslims built america

Unlike christians , muslim dont enslave a free muslim.

Are you sure muslims don't enslave free muslims? Muslims certainly enslaved plenty of africans, did they only target non muslims? I find that hard to believe. But if they do only target non muslims, any non muslim who ever trusted a muslim is a fool.

Its illegal to enslave a free muslim. Im sure many arab muslims enslaved black muslim and sold them but its agsinst religion and they werent religious and under muslim ruler if found out they would be freed and slaver punished

So it was unfair to say unlike Christians muslims don't enslave free muslims, they most certainly did and I am sure still do. All I see is humans are greedy, cruel, manipulative opportunists with little sense of community, honour or loyalty. People say they have honour and loyalty and protect the weak and then are corrupted at the first opportunity. This has to change and will never change while islam has such a polarising effect on communities with an extreme 'us against them' doctrine called the koran,and then the majority of muslims do not even follow islam to the letter of islamic law anywhere I have ever seen. Islamic law will never, ever work and will only cause conflict, hatred and war. Like an aggressive cancer it needs to be eradicated completely or it takes over completely as history proves. Hopefully humans learn to treat each other with appreciation and respect but there is no way islam is the answer.

You are right , it is unfair to say only muslims do not enslave , it must be really rare to enslave another muslim, its not gonna happen , but it seemed lik it was easy cake for christians, im no historian so this could be febated but to be honest i think muslim would win this one in regards to britherhood and slavery, but i will look into it.

Just because im muslim doesnt mean i would betray or enslave another man regardless of what , my morals comes from my dna not from my religion , i font think its right to keep concupune or enslave another man , muslims modernised.

I see yoy always critical if islam in its ancient non practiced tradition, how come you never feel the same bout chrustianity, chrustianity laws from tanakh are no dufferent remember we have same lineage we both abrahamic. You westerners seem very hypocritical .

Let me asj you , what is the cheistian view on slavery.

The tanankh is not the same as bible axum.

Ok. . Guess i gotta read up again to fully understand. Its confusing

Slaves in the bible were treated well, they were normally let go after seven years, they were safe an not to be harmed, as God commanded.

Even islam says they are treated well you not even allowed to scold thrm or beat them , yet look st arab slaver and christian slaver in smerica hell CHRISTIAN black slaves from birth to death and treated worse then animals and arabs wiped out 4 million slaves from exhaustion, so i dont buy the well treatment, and 3ven if you allowed to own another human being for even a day is wrong whats more shameful then being owned by someone regsrdless of treatment a slave is a slave.

 

If i think its out right wrong to own a man and im just a man with falts then how can God allow owning anothr man, doubt God commanded it, we been lied to. We need to keep looking for God, dont think anyone found him

[green lurchers 16,747]

Iran retaliated by banning americans from visiting until trump lifts ban

all 5 of them lol

[WILF 47,432]

Is it just me, or does Axums spelling and grammar change daily?.........how many people are typing the stuff he writes?