WILF 47,215 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 It's interesting that the only posts on this thread so far are in favour. However in my opinion the state should never be allowed to torture nor kill. When they have these powers, there is nothing to stop the state from torturing and killing whoever they want to. But it's only for those who've committed crimes that are evil enough or severe enough to warrant it, say many. Unfortunately that argument simply does not hold water, and history has proven this. By condoning torture (and capital punishment), we make civilised society no better than the barbarians we fear. There are ways to extract information from the enemy without lowering ourselves to physical torture. Bear in mind too that if we continue to torture suspects in the West, the enemy will feel justified when they torture and kill captured allied service personnel. They already do, If torturing a terrorist for information saves hundreds of lives so be it. What other method of extraction can you think of?? free meals and holidays for life for any information given?? I know, that is why I said 'will feel justified'! One thing is for sure, we have no clue whether or not physical torture of suspected terrorists will achieve anything. It's 2017 - we now have effective ways to obtain information without waterboarding,etc. There's plenty of material out here via google, for example. Can think of plenty of ways to extract information that are far superior to waterboarding. Water boarding would be pretty mild for your mob wouldn't it?.......it would be more a leisure activity you do to celebrate feast days wouldn't it ? Lol lol 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
delswal 3,819 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 It's interesting that the only posts on this thread so far are in favour. However in my opinion the state should never be allowed to torture nor kill. When they have these powers, there is nothing to stop the state from torturing and killing whoever they want to. But it's only for those who've committed crimes that are evil enough or severe enough to warrant it, say many. Unfortunately that argument simply does not hold water, and history has proven this. By condoning torture (and capital punishment), we make civilised society no better than the barbarians we fear. There are ways to extract information from the enemy without lowering ourselves to physical torture. Bear in mind too that if we continue to torture suspects in the West, the enemy will feel justified when they torture and kill captured allied service personnel. They already do, If torturing a terrorist for information saves hundreds of lives so be it. What other method of extraction can you think of?? free meals and holidays for life for any information given?? I know, that is why I said 'will feel justified'! One thing is for sure, we have no clue whether or not physical torture of suspected terrorists will achieve anything. It's 2017 - we now have effective ways to obtain information without waterboarding,etc. There's plenty of material out here via google, for example. Can think of plenty of ways to extract information that are far superior to waterboarding. An hour with my dentist would do the trick, failing that half hour with the wife. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 Lol good one del Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bosun11 537 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 I must be the only one who thinks he's dropped a bit of a bollock with this one then? Whatever he wants to do, however he wants to do it, the nitty-gritty of it all doesn't need to be so openly, easily said IMO. No need to come across as a wannabe Putin and i think even the Russian leader would have more sense to blurt out sommat like that... Under some questions Trump needs to be more of a polititian. Hard line yes, America both wants and needs it right now but in this climate i betcha his real enemies are a lot more close to home.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
.357shooter 1,230 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 our new unelected remainer pm could learn a lot from mr trump Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Casso 1,261 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 I thought when he reached the office , he'd tone things down a bit It won't be long before his mental state for the job in hand is been called in question Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogMan85 722 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 Fight fire with fire, the man's a God damn genius!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nans pat 2,575 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 we wouldnt still have the kids lying on the moors if we had of had torture for he likes of hindley n brady. 9 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 I must be the only one who thinks he's dropped a bit of a bollock with this one then? Whatever he wants to do, however he wants to do it, the nitty-gritty of it all doesn't need to be so openly, easily said IMO. No need to come across as a wannabe Putin and i think even the Russian leader would have more sense to blurt out sommat like that... Under some questions Trump needs to be more of a polititian. Hard line yes, America both wants and needs it right now but in this climate i betcha his real enemies are a lot more close to home.... Wouldn't that just make him the same as all the rest then?? I'm actually hoping it wasn't a big front and he does do what he says he's going to do. Every time I hear him do something I like him all the more. As for the water boarding I don't think joe public will be hauled in for a bit treatment if you break the speed limit or fart to loudly. If your getting it, you deserve it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jiggy 3,209 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 It all depends on if it's an innocent or guilty person been tortured even though some deserved it.A lot of innocent men were put on death row in the USA by overzealous judiciary Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The one 8,483 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 Im another one thats warming to him , these folk choose to be terrorists to kill ,main and damage property and cause mayhem and hes just stating feck with America at your peril ,shame that will never happen here maggie was the only prime minister with balls too do anything like that 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 20,630 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 Just watching his speach now on sky news ... clean beautiful coal? Lol .....looks like he's going to offer Mexico a deal of more support ,business and help so they can sort there's shit out and pay for the wall ...clever move. He sees all the bureaucracy for what it is just holding everything back ...The Don the legend lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neil cooney 10,416 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 Will it work both ways? We torture your POWs but don't dare torture our poor POWs ????? He's f****d up big time. Now he's not going to pay for the wall, Mexico will. Mexico wont. So who will ? So no wall gets built. Several City Mayors are after saying they'll have no part in breaking up American families by sending immigrants home. Boston and New York among them. I would think that bullet already has his name on it. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 20,630 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 (edited) Will it work both ways? We torture your POWs but don't dare torture our poor POWs ????? He's f****d up big time. Now he's not going to pay for the wall, Mexico will. Mexico wont. So who will ? So no wall gets built. Several City Mayors are after saying they'll have no part in breaking up American families by sending immigrants home. Boston and New York among them. I would think that bullet already has his name on it. From my understanding he's going to offer Mexico a deal in the form of business and help with infrastructure in return for them building the wall....fair enough I think. Edited January 26, 2017 by kanny 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
j j m 6,540 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 e is not going to mess around is he,not like our goverment Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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