lurcherman 887 13,077 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Because you cant explain when i spoke to any one out of tune before your silly prick comment because i didnt lol jog on son Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogMan85 722 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 So did he dodge the war or ?He refused to go to war for his beliefs, whether that is right or wrong is your opinion. I'm sure you'd go to Iraq or Afghanistan at the drop of a hat if your country asked you to.Rather than go jail yes for sure But he wasn't going to fight even if he did go to Vietnam, so you believe he risked jail just to avoid flying to Vietnam to be a poster boy? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
delswal 3,819 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 George W Bush, Dick Cheney,Bill Clinton, David Eisenhower all avoided the draft to Vietnam, yet a black man who says it how it is gets both barrels? Think it was hamlet ( Shakespeare ) who said conscience creates cowards...... but the Whitehouse gives them jobs ( not Shakespeare ) Must be great to live on the right side of the fence huh. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lurcherman 887 13,077 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Who knows what he would of ended up doing. What you lads think about kray and richardsons ect dodging army and doing jail ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogMan85 722 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Who knows what he would of ended up doing. What you lads think about kray and richardsons ect dodging army and doing jail ? I know for a fact he wouldn't have been doing any fighting..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lurcherman 887 13,077 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Explain Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dytkos 17,782 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 So let me get this right ..... cassius klay shouldnt of had to go and fight for his country because 1: he was a talented boxer and because 2: he didnt have the same rights as the white man ??? Lmao Well if you dont like it then leave ? Funny how peoples real views come out when its someone they thought highly of getting a bit of stick .. then start getting touchy and handing out insults I.e "prick" and " not worth a pig " if you dont like it lads f**k off out the country and settle in these little shitholes you love so much .... got nasher trying to belittle people calling them pricks and "son" haha and tomo saying your not worth a pig haha proper bell ends Maybe if you spoke to people like a grown up you would be spoken to like a grown up As regards all this " fight for his country " and " should of stood shoulder to shoulder on the battle field " .....he would never have been allowed to fire a shot he was the heavyweight champion of the world do you think he would of been slung in the trenches with an M16 ?......my father was in the Raf during the second world war but wasnt allowed to do any more than instruct pe as he was a professional athlete........Ali was making a point he wasnt dodging a war.....i have no real opinion either way on what he did but i can recognise the guts it took to refuse rather than mince about pretending to be a soldier. I did not know that they gave preferential treatment to athletes in world war 2,there lives should not be worth more because they were good at sports, you learn something every day Plenty fought and died im sure....but yes many were held back for all sorts of reasons one of which was to " keep up morale " by continuing to compete in exhibitions etc Mrs Father was one, in Navy Field Gun Crew. Cheers, D. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dytkos 17,782 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 So let me get this right ..... cassius klay shouldnt of had to go and fight for his country because 1: he was a talented boxer and because 2: he didnt have the same rights as the white man ??? Lmao Well if you dont like it then leave ? Funny how peoples real views come out when its someone they thought highly of getting a bit of stick .. then start getting touchy and handing out insults I.e "prick" and " not worth a pig " if you dont like it lads f**k off out the country and settle in these little shitholes you love so much .... got nasher trying to belittle people calling them pricks and "son" haha and tomo saying your not worth a pig haha proper bell ends Maybe if you spoke to people like a grown up you would be spoken to like a grown up As regards all this " fight for his country " and " should of stood shoulder to shoulder on the battle field " .....he would never have been allowed to fire a shot he was the heavyweight champion of the world do you think he would of been slung in the trenches with an M16 ?......my father was in the Raf during the second world war but wasnt allowed to do any more than instruct pe as he was a professional athlete........Ali was making a point he wasnt dodging a war.....i have no real opinion either way on what he did but i can recognise the guts it took to refuse rather than mince about pretending to be a soldier. I did not know that they gave preferential treatment to athletes in world war 2,there lives should not be worth more because they were good at sports, you learn something every day Plenty fought and died im sure....but yes many were held back for all sorts of reasons one of which was to " keep up morale " by continuing to compete in exhibitions etc Mrs Father was one, in Navy Field Gun Crew. Cheers, D. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bird 9,857 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 So did he dodge the war or ?He refused to go to war for his beliefs, whether that is right or wrong is your opinion. I'm sure you'd go to Iraq or Afghanistan at the drop of a hat if your country asked you to.Rather than go jail yes for sure But he wasn't going to fight even if he did go to Vietnam, so you believe he risked jail just to avoid flying to Vietnam to be a poster boy? there always ( Conscientious Objectors ) with in all wars , Ali was nothing new , and he wont be the last either . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dytkos 17,782 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 So did he dodge the war or ? He refused to go to war for his beliefs, whether that is right or wrong is your opinion. I'm sure you'd go to Iraq or Afghanistan at the drop of a hat if your country asked you to.Rather than go jail yes for sure But he wasn't going to fight even if he did go to Vietnam, so you believe he risked jail just to avoid flying to Vietnam to be a poster boy? there always ( Conscientious Objectors ) with in all wars , Ali was nothing new , and he wont be the last either . Ex mrs Father was one of them lol Cheers, D. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogMan85 722 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Explain Do you really need it explaining to you? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lurcherman 887 13,077 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Yeah why wouldnt he of fought ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogMan85 722 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Yeah why wouldnt he of fought ? He was the HW champion of the world and the most famous sportsman out there. He would have been used for entertainment and morale purposes only. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lurcherman 887 13,077 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Oh that was lucky for him. And he still didnt go ?? Makes it even worse for him he wouldnt have to even hold a gun and he still didnt go haha it gets better Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Oh that was lucky for him. And he still didnt go ?? Makes it even worse for him he wouldnt have to even hold a gun and he still didnt go haha it gets better Do you think everybody should do their bit for their country then ...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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