greg64 2,799 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 In them days if the country needed you then yes ,it was the rules wasnt it ? These days its choice but back then they needed every man..... id be quite happy for every man to have to do couple years in army after leaving school. Have a friend in the israeli military and over there you have to join army weather you like it or not. So i belive No different then to now really a superior country .. America going to war with a shitty little country .. Vietnam ... they posed no threat to American shores they just decided they were going to police them and failed badly so it really was down to your own conscious whether you thought it was right to fight or not ... fast forward to the not so distant past and we did the same in Iraq and Afghanistan... however the difference being al Qaeda... Isis ... etc do pose a threat to our shores as did pira the Ira etc so if your that passionate about being patriotic and defending your country like Ali should have you could have joined up and done your bit couldn't you ??? ........ they did not pose a direct threat but they where communists reds under the beds Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogMan85 722 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Yeah why wouldnt he of fought ?He was the HW champion of the world and the most famous sportsman out there. He would have been used for entertainment and morale purposes only. i might be wrong here lol, but didnt Joe Louis do the same in WW2 , he did exhibition rounds for the troops out there , but the brown bomber was liked i think more than Ali ever was . You are far from wrong pal, Ali would have done the same kind of things. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
k€rry 14 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Ali stood up to Americas elite not a black or white thing sent to a foreign land to kill he was right not to go buy no means a coverd ffs when the truth come out ov what they were doing out their most ov america was against the war in Vietnam and far from being a racist he loved Britain as it was only Britain that recognised him as still the champion so for me he had nothing to thank america for some ov the reply to this forum just shows there are some pig ignorent people that nows f##k all about what they post Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waltjnr 6,550 Posted January 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Oh the THL 2 faced double standard hierarchy preaching their bollaxzk ,oooh i was in the TA,I did a bit of boxing at boys brigade ,Ali is my hero !!!! im a camel jockey sponging of the UK ,so funny !Cant believe my sarky little bored. on a sunday night thread touched so many nerves.!lol if only good english carp were so easy to catch! sorry Ali aint my idea of a hero ,got higher standards ,but each to their own. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Silversnake 1,099 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Ali was a polarising figure, he didn't want to unite people. I respect his ability in the ring, his charisma and I can even respect that he was inspirational to his black people and probably raised many coloured folks self esteem. He also created and increased a lot of hatred in the black community towards white people which was not necessary, he could have done things differently with good intentions of uniting races. I myself am white and I will never think of somebody who creates hatred toward me or my people as anything less than a c#nt. All you white folk who feel he is some sort of hero, don't you feel at least a little bit like a cuck? I hope that doesn't offend too much it is a genuine question and I don't know a nicer way to ask it. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,024 Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 Ali was a polarising figure, he didn't want to unite people. I respect his ability in the ring, his charisma and I can even respect that he was inspirational to his black people and probably raised many coloured folks self esteem. He also created and increased a lot of hatred in the black community towards white people which was not necessary, he could have done things differently with good intentions of uniting races. I myself am white and I will never think of somebody who creates hatred toward me or my people as anything less than a c#nt. All you white folk who feel he is some sort of hero, don't you feel at least a little bit like a cuck? I hope that doesn't offend too much it is a genuine question and I don't know a nicer way to ask it. I think folk tend to get a little bit over eager with their comments when it comes to icons......i just liked the way the man boxed im not particularly interested in all the rest so is he a hero to me of course he,s not but that doesn't mean i dont recognise the accomplishments he made in life......i dont really understand how anybody can use some of the words they use about a man they never ever spoke to it reeks to me of this big brother type scenario where we make judgement on someones entire persona based on what we see of them on the telly ! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
desertbred 5,490 Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 Oh the THL 2 faced double standard hierarchy preaching their bollaxzk ,oooh i was in the TA,I did a bit of boxing at boys brigade ,Ali is my hero !!!! im a camel jockey sponging of the UK ,so funny !Cant believe my sarky little bored. on a sunday night thread touched so many nerves.!lol if only good english carp were so easy to catch! sorry Ali aint my idea of a hero ,got higher standards ,but each to their own. Another failure of a chav balooning on THL Crack on or should that be on crack. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Silversnake 1,099 Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 Ali was a polarising figure, he didn't want to unite people. I respect his ability in the ring, his charisma and I can even respect that he was inspirational to his black people and probably raised many coloured folks self esteem. He also created and increased a lot of hatred in the black community towards white people which was not necessary, he could have done things differently with good intentions of uniting races. I myself am white and I will never think of somebody who creates hatred toward me or my people as anything less than a c#nt. All you white folk who feel he is some sort of hero, don't you feel at least a little bit like a cuck? I hope that doesn't offend too much it is a genuine question and I don't know a nicer way to ask it. I think folk tend to get a little bit over eager with their comments when it comes to icons......i just liked the way the man boxed im not particularly interested in all the rest so is he a hero to me of course he,s not but that doesn't mean i dont recognise the accomplishments he made in life......i dont really understand how anybody can use some of the words they use about a man they never ever spoke to it reeks to me of this big brother type scenario where we make judgement on someones entire persona based on what we see of them on the telly !I have given him credit every time I have posted about him, I just don't like many of his beliefs and especially some of the people and organisations he associated with. I don't like him and I never have, even watching him as a child I wanted Joe Frazier to knock him out and that was well before I understood his personal or political beliefs. I recognise he is considered an icon but that doesn't mean I have to like him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Billybigfish 57 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 Any of see the interview on Aussie tv where they show Marciano talking about Ali? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jacknife 2,005 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 If he dodged the draft illegally then like a normal person would be classed.......a coward Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogMan85 722 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 If he dodged the draft illegally then like a normal person would be classed.......a coward And then all one would have to do is go on YouTube and find he's as far removed from being a coward as you could imagine.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogMan85 722 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 Any of see the interview on Aussie tv where they show Marciano talking about Ali? Yep the one where Marciano is questioning is heart and chin as it had not been tested yet. I think he passed both questions with flying colours, shame Rocky didn't live to see it.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dark-destroyer-85 636 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 So let me get this right ..... cassius klay shouldnt of had to go and fight for his country because 1: he was a talented boxer and because 2: he didnt have the same rights as the white man ??? Lmao Well if you dont like it then leave ? Funny how peoples real views come out when its someone they thought highly of getting a bit of stick .. then start getting touchy and handing out insults I.e "prick" and " not worth a pig " if you dont like it lads f**k off out the country and settle in these little shitholes you love so much .... got nasher trying to belittle people calling them pricks and "son" haha and tomo saying your not worth a pig haha proper bell ends Maybe if you spoke to people like a grown up you would be spoken to like a grown up As regards all this " fight for his country " and " should of stood shoulder to shoulder on the battle field " .....he would never have been allowed to fire a shot he was the heavyweight champion of the world do you think he would of been slung in the trenches with an M16 ?......my father was in the Raf during the second world war but wasnt allowed to do any more than instruct pe as he was a professional athlete........Ali was making a point he wasnt dodging a war.....i have no real opinion either way on what he did but i can recognise the guts it took to refuse rather than mince about pretending to be a soldier. I did not know that they gave preferential treatment to athletes in world war 2,there lives should not be worth more because they were good at sports, you learn something every daythere a film out based on a true story about an American soldier who was an Olympic athlete who was caught by the japs so I thought they would be treated the same also Quote Link to post Share on other sites
willy 63 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 That film is called unbroken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dark-destroyer-85 636 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 Yeah I just checked on google louis zamperini is guys name interesting read about him Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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