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with regard to dodging the draft,,,,,i think he had a point,,,lets face it,,back in the 60,s in the usa,,,there was still segrigation,,black folk not being able to go in some seats on a buss,,going to

security of american guys fighting... ,,lets get it right,,america had no busines being in vietnam,,,and america wasnt about to be invaded was it....   like i said treated as a second class citizen

 

 

So did he dodge the war or ?

He refused to go to war for his beliefs, whether that is right or wrong is your opinion. I'm sure you'd go to Iraq or Afghanistan at the drop of a hat if your country asked you to.
Rather than go jail yes for sure

But he wasn't going to fight even if he did go to Vietnam, so you believe he risked jail just to avoid flying to Vietnam to be a poster boy?

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George W Bush, Dick Cheney,Bill Clinton, David Eisenhower all avoided the draft to Vietnam, yet a black man who says it how it is gets both barrels?

 

Think it was hamlet ( Shakespeare ) who said conscience creates cowards...... but the Whitehouse gives them jobs ( not Shakespeare )

 

Must be great to live on the right side of the fence huh.

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So let me get this right ..... cassius klay shouldnt of had to go and fight for his country because 1: he was a talented boxer and because 2: he didnt have the same rights as the white man ??? Lmao

Well if you dont like it then leave ? Funny how peoples real views come out when its someone they thought highly of getting a bit of stick .. then start getting touchy and handing out insults I.e "prick" and " not worth a pig " if you dont like it lads f**k off out the country and settle in these little shitholes you love so much .... got nasher trying to belittle people calling them pricks and "son" haha and tomo saying your not worth a pig haha proper bell ends

 

Maybe if you spoke to people like a grown up you would be spoken to like a grown up ;)

 

As regards all this " fight for his country " and " should of stood shoulder to shoulder on the battle field " :D .....he would never have been allowed to fire a shot he was the heavyweight champion of the world do you think he would of been slung in the trenches with an M16 ?......my father was in the Raf during the second world war but wasnt allowed to do any more than instruct pe as he was a professional athlete........Ali was making a point he wasnt dodging a war.....i have no real opinion either way on what he did but i can recognise the guts it took to refuse rather than mince about pretending to be a soldier.

I did not know that they gave preferential treatment to athletes in world war 2,there lives should not be worth more because they were good at sports, you learn something every day

Plenty fought and died im sure....but yes many were held back for all sorts of reasons one of which was to " keep up morale " by continuing to compete in exhibitions etc

Mrs Father was one, in Navy Field Gun Crew.

 

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So let me get this right ..... cassius klay shouldnt of had to go and fight for his country because 1: he was a talented boxer and because 2: he didnt have the same rights as the white man ??? Lmao

Well if you dont like it then leave ? Funny how peoples real views come out when its someone they thought highly of getting a bit of stick .. then start getting touchy and handing out insults I.e "prick" and " not worth a pig " if you dont like it lads f**k off out the country and settle in these little shitholes you love so much .... got nasher trying to belittle people calling them pricks and "son" haha and tomo saying your not worth a pig haha proper bell ends

 

Maybe if you spoke to people like a grown up you would be spoken to like a grown up ;)

 

As regards all this " fight for his country " and " should of stood shoulder to shoulder on the battle field " :D .....he would never have been allowed to fire a shot he was the heavyweight champion of the world do you think he would of been slung in the trenches with an M16 ?......my father was in the Raf during the second world war but wasnt allowed to do any more than instruct pe as he was a professional athlete........Ali was making a point he wasnt dodging a war.....i have no real opinion either way on what he did but i can recognise the guts it took to refuse rather than mince about pretending to be a soldier.

I did not know that they gave preferential treatment to athletes in world war 2,there lives should not be worth more because they were good at sports, you learn something every day

Plenty fought and died im sure....but yes many were held back for all sorts of reasons one of which was to " keep up morale " by continuing to compete in exhibitions etc

Mrs Father was one, in Navy Field Gun Crew.

 

Cheers, D.

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So did he dodge the war or ?

He refused to go to war for his beliefs, whether that is right or wrong is your opinion. I'm sure you'd go to Iraq or Afghanistan at the drop of a hat if your country asked you to.
Rather than go jail yes for sure

But he wasn't going to fight even if he did go to Vietnam, so you believe he risked jail just to avoid flying to Vietnam to be a poster boy?

 

there always ( Conscientious Objectors ) with in all wars , Ali was nothing new , and he wont be the last either . :yes:

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So did he dodge the war or ?

 

He refused to go to war for his beliefs, whether that is right or wrong is your opinion. I'm sure you'd go to Iraq or Afghanistan at the drop of a hat if your country asked you to.
Rather than go jail yes for sure

But he wasn't going to fight even if he did go to Vietnam, so you believe he risked jail just to avoid flying to Vietnam to be a poster boy?

there always ( Conscientious Objectors ) with in all wars , Ali was nothing new , and he wont be the last either . :yes:

Ex mrs Father was one of them lol

 

Cheers, D.

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Oh that was lucky for him. And he still didnt go ?? Makes it even worse for him he wouldnt have to even hold a gun and he still didnt go haha it gets better

Do you think everybody should do their bit for their country then ......

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